California May Start Tracking HIV Patients by Name

Opposition has lifted to legislation that would allow California health authorities to track HIV patients by name, effectively ending a years-long debate over privacy concerns and paving the way for the bill's ... Full Story
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As I See It

Opelousas, LA

#1129 Jun 1, 2006
Dissapointed wrote:
I can't believe people sometimes. I was on the internet doing research for a HIGHSCHOOL paper on the HIV database and came across this forum. It's so scary to me that the "adults" of this country can be such idiots. First of all, so many people in this thread have seemed to lose track of the topic. CALIFORNIA'S HIV NAMES DATABASE! I don't know where this went wrong but so many rants on here are about God and morals. This has nothing to do with your personal beliefs. It's about LAW. So take your religious crap somewhere else or shove it up your ass because we don't care. Second, HIV also has nothing to do with homosexuals, because the majority of people with HIV and AIDS are heterosexuals. Yes, some homosexuals do have HIV...and so does every other kind of person. HIV didn't even start in the gay community. And lastly, many of you are saying things like, you'd be happy to that these names were collected so you'd know who has it, but fact is that this database is CONFIDENTIAL, so no one can see it except select medical staff. I don't like the idea of this database because the names aren't needed for prevention, all it will do is endanger the privacy of patients.
Can we all try to keep in mind that this isn't a moral battle, it's people who are suffering with a disease, this is people's LIVES, and people dieing while government bickers about if we should give more money to fund it. That's sad.
Well said!
not discouraged

United States

#1130 Jun 2, 2006
Dissapointed wrote:
HIV also has nothing to do with homosexuals, because the majority of people with HIV and AIDS are heterosexuals. Yes, some homosexuals do have HIV...and so does every other kind of person. HIV didn't even start in the gay community.
Not to take issue with your viewpoint, but upon what do you base these statements?

The estimated total number of AIDS cases in the United States through 2004 by exposure category looked like this:

Male-to-male sexual contact 17,691
Injection Drug Use 5,968 (male) 3,184 (female) 9,152 (total)
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,920
Heterosexual contact 5,149 (male) 7,979 (female) 13,128 (total)
Other** 298 (male) 279 (female) 577 (total)

** Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, perinatal, and risk not reported or not identified.

The total number of AIDS cases in these statistics is 42,468. And of this total, 19,611 or 46% involved male homosexual sex, while 13,128 or just under 31% resulted from heterosexual sex.

Even if the difference between 46% and 31% were not statistically significant, it is an incorrect statement that HIV "has nothing to do with homosexuals, because the majority of people with HIV and AIDS are heterosexuals."

It is one thing to say things with a tone of authority, and quite another to have facts to back it up. You will find the latter to be much more effective, even though it may not always support what you would like to believe.

But then again, you did score big points with "weebles" (who's logic often wobbles and *does* fall down) and "as I see it" (with the "Ray Charles" glasses), which isn't surprising.

Source of statistics: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/ba...
Welcome to STOP n DEPORT

Antioch, CA

#1131 Jul 1, 2006
Sounds like bullsh*t to me. One more step closer to an orwellian society. people with HIV are discriminated against. By law, they might have rights to not be fired for their disease, but it allows someone to find a way to fire them or discriminate againt them in other ways. To mock them, and possibly attack the people with hIV.

You dont need to know every single person to do research for a cure. You only need a handful and just use basic math to figure out the percentages. Maybe 1000 volunteer AIDS and HIV patience. You don't need to lable every single American or Californian who has AIDS. plus, this is a California law, not a national law. So it wont help in your theory unless the whole nation gets involved. So you're reasoning has a flaw in it.
Second Thoughts wrote:
<quoted text>
The innocent have nothing to hide. Those who do good have nothing to fear from the government, but those who do evil.
If they want the government to fork out millions of dollars to invest in research to find a cure for a disease they wouldn't have got had they kept their pants zipped up, then they need to fulfill the criteria that the government sets forth. They were free to not give out the names if they were willing to have the government funding to stop...it was their choice.
Gregory Birkett

Laguna Beach, CA

#1133 Oct 24, 2006
I was given HIV and so my life and other lives were
put in danger.
dances with weebles

Diadema, Brazil

#1134 Oct 24, 2006
grapefruit wrote:
Stand for goodness, wasn't judging anybody. God himself says in Romans chapter 1 that "they received IN THEMSELVES, THE DUE PENALTY OF THEIR ERROR. mEN WITH MEN COMMITTING INDECENT ACTS. Speaking against something is not judging. It's simply disagreement but the sympathizers of gays and lesbians love to pervert the truth by saying don't judge, Jesus wouldn't like that. It's a big buzz word to make it sound like the Christian is really judging when they are not.
I'm against child porn. Does that mean i'm judgmental? DUH, get a life. If cry and bitch about needing more money for research. Hell, if it were not for aids, there probably would have been a cure for diabetes, or types of cancers. Gays are sucking the system dry along with all the illegals and I won't even begin to touch on the insurance issues. stay out of our schools, we don't need your sex ed fornication prophets brainwashing 1st and 4th graders, but we can thank the schools for their demented way of thinking to accept such trash. All in the goal to disrupt the family.
Congress should ban all sex ed teaching because most of it should be consider child endangerment talking to 1st graders. 7 yr olds, 10 yr olds learning about how to wear comdoms. that should be a crime. If any one of us would approach a young child like they do in the classroom, we would be taken off to jail. sympathy....one day you'll have no sympathy at the judgement
uh... god didn't write the letters to the romans. paul (saul of tarsus) did. he was gay.
da da dumb

Reno, NV

#1135 Oct 29, 2006
SWP4LIFE wrote:
<quoted text>
OK I understand that. But if you look at it this way if we trak the people with HIV no more innocent people will be infected
not true tracking people does not keep them from having unsafe sex.
FrenchCampCA

Atwater, CA

#1136 Oct 29, 2006
dances with weebles wrote:
<quoted text>
uh... god didn't write the letters to the romans. paul (saul of tarsus) did. he was gay.
The best antidote for B.s. is the truth. Paul was a servant of Jesus Christ and inspired by God to write the Epistle to the Romans. Paul certainly was not gay, and the Bible speaks against gay behavior, as something that will keep a person out of heaven.
http://www.pathlights.com/Public%20Enemies/Ho...
FrenchCampCA

Atwater, CA

#1137 Oct 31, 2006
not discouraged wrote:
<quoted text>
Not to take issue with your viewpoint, but upon what do you base these statements?
The estimated total number of AIDS cases in the United States through 2004 by exposure category looked like this:
Male-to-male sexual contact 17,691
Injection Drug Use 5,968 (male) 3,184 (female) 9,152 (total)
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,920
Heterosexual contact 5,149 (male) 7,979 (female) 13,128 (total)
Other** 298 (male) 279 (female) 577 (total)
** Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, perinatal, and risk not reported or not identified.
The total number of AIDS cases in these statistics is 42,468. And of this total, 19,611 or 46% involved male homosexual sex, while 13,128 or just under 31% resulted from heterosexual sex.
Even if the difference between 46% and 31% were not statistically significant, it is an incorrect statement that HIV "has nothing to do with homosexuals, because the majority of people with HIV and AIDS are heterosexuals."
It is one thing to say things with a tone of authority, and quite another to have facts to back it up. You will find the latter to be much more effective, even though it may not always support what you would like to believe.
But then again, you did score big points with "weebles" (who's logic often wobbles and *does* fall down) and "as I see it" (with the "Ray Charles" glasses), which isn't surprising.
Source of statistics: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/ba...
Truth is gays and IV drug users are still the leading cause of HIV.
FrenchCampCA

Atwater, CA

#1138 Oct 31, 2006
Welcome to STOP n DEPORT wrote:
Sounds like bullsh*t to me. One more step closer to an orwellian society. people with HIV are discriminated against. By law, they might have rights to not be fired for their disease, but it allows someone to find a way to fire them or discriminate againt them in other ways. To mock them, and possibly attack the people with hIV.
You dont need to know every single person to do research for a cure. You only need a handful and just use basic math to figure out the percentages. Maybe 1000 volunteer AIDS and HIV patience. You don't need to lable every single American or Californian who has AIDS. plus, this is a California law, not a national law. So it wont help in your theory unless the whole nation gets involved. So you're reasoning has a flaw in it.
<quoted text>
Medical personel can test a patient for hiv at the same time they take BP and weigh you, then it can be recorded onto a database.
Caps Lock is to the left

Pacifica, CA

#1139 Nov 7, 2006
I agree. but, HIV is a loaded gun. Some people have sex with others and dont tell them they're infected. So, that one is up in the air for me. But, it seems people always dig in others medical records. thats why doctors have you sign those forms now. They tell you it's to protect you but really it says your doctor that the right to share your info with anyone. its so they dont get sued. They love to spin the truth.
Scott McLean wrote:
Government doesn't seem to care about privacy rights. HIV patients and all people have a right to keep their health records private.
We need to reform our government by electing only people who will never support such a bad law.
Caps Lock is to the left

Pacifica, CA

#1140 Nov 7, 2006
So, are you for or against this policy? Your comments are a bit vague.
FrenchCampCA wrote:
<quoted text>
Medical personel can test a patient for hiv at the same time they take BP and weigh you, then it can be recorded onto a database.
PhilanthroFist

San Rafael, CA

#1141 Nov 7, 2006
Anyone with a terminal virus that they can spread at their own liesure, should be kept track of. Just like people with guns. I for one take comfort in the idea.

Misery loves company.
Dweezil

Milpitas, CA

#1142 Nov 7, 2006
PhilanthroFist wrote:
Anyone with a terminal virus that they can spread at their own liesure, should be kept track of. Just like people with guns. I for one take comfort in the idea.
Misery loves company.
somebody needs to keep you locked in a basement,you sorry azzed sob..(btw,do you slither or hop)
dances with weebles

São Bernardo Do Campo, Brazil

#1143 Nov 7, 2006
FrenchCampCA wrote:
<quoted text>
The best antidote for B.s. is the truth. Paul was a servant of Jesus Christ and inspired by God to write the Epistle to the Romans. Paul certainly was not gay, and the Bible speaks against gay behavior, as something that will keep a person out of heaven.
http://www.pathlights.com/Public%20Enemies/Ho...
try getting a bit of education and then come back to talk to us. paul (saul of tarsus) was a known homosexual. also, it was quite common in all religions (even among the jews) of the time to have male temple prostitutes. all of paul's letters were written to his many concubines. he was inspired by nothing but money.

also, the bible says nothing about gay behavior. as i have said previously,'god' even blessed it in many cases.

oh, btw... did you knwo that, unless you're a jew, the 'god' of the bible doesn't want you as a follower? he hated all pagans (gentiles) jesus came to save the jews and noone else. go invent your own 'god'.
Dweezil

Milpitas, CA

#1144 Nov 7, 2006
dances with weebles wrote:
<quoted text>
try getting a bit of education and then come back to talk to us. paul (saul of tarsus) was a known homosexual. also, it was quite common in all religions (even among the jews) of the time to have male temple prostitutes. all of paul's letters were written to his many concubines. he was inspired by nothing but money.
also, the bible says nothing about gay behavior. as i have said previously,'god' even blessed it in many cases.
oh, btw... did you knwo that, unless you're a jew, the 'god' of the bible doesn't want you as a follower? he hated all pagans (gentiles) jesus came to save the jews and noone else. go invent your own 'god'.
HAIL O MIGHTY ODIN !!!
Caps Lock is to the left

Pacifica, CA

#1145 Nov 7, 2006
there should be more name calling on here. It solves all issues.

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