DeWine urging more latitude in privacy law | BuckeyeXtra

The NCAA report that Ohio State University made public yesterday details the transgressions of former football coach Jim Tressel yet conceals the names of eight players whose off-the-field actions led to his downfall - even though most of their identities are well-documented. OSU officials maintain that a federal student-privacy law designed to ...

[Anonymous]

I dont agree with vacating wins! What about the playres who had nothihg to do with the "MESS" stats? Its not fair to them!

[Publius]

All the hate the is raining down on OSU as an institution and on Jim Tressel as a man completely leaves out the players who did the crimes. It's their fault, not the university's. It's an extension of the attitude that blames the parent or the school when the kid screws up. These "students" knew right from wrong and they went ahead. The majority of the weight should fall on them. The school and the NCAA have really no way to punish the players so they punish anyone they can get their hands on.

[Political Football]

When De-Whine Applies That Same "Turn On The Lights" To Corporate Fund Raising Lies And The Radical Right Buying Elections It Will Have Some Meaning Beyond This Dog And Pony Scam.

Talk About Abuse Of Public Trust And Playing The Football Card,
This Guy Is A Professional Liar.

[skessler]

Go away DeWine!!!!

[Greed]

I don't see why the blackmail is comming into play except to eb nasty and deceptive..Not fond of how OSU works, but hopefully this can be worked out..

[Greed]

Publius wrote:

All the hate the is raining down on OSU as an institution and on Jim Tressel as a man completely leaves out the players who did the crimes. It's their fault, not the university's. It's an extension of the attitude that blames the parent or the school when the kid screws up. These "students" knew right from wrong and they went ahead. The majority of the weight should fall on them. The school and the NCAA have really no way to punish the players so they punish anyone they can get their hands on.

Tressel once he knew should have punished the players and let it be known openly as best he could legally. But he didn't.. So it goes to say when one messes up and soem cover up, it rains down on many instead of the few..

[Greed]

skessler wrote:

Go away DeWine!!!!

He is doing his job, why would you want him to go away? Doesn't make sense..

[NCAA]

About time an Ohio official wants to do something right instead of continuing to cover up.

[State Property]

The Attorney General is finally behaving like an AG on this one. Rogue interpretations of federal law by a state university is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

What needs to be investigated is the relationship between the Attorney General and the overblown Legal Affairs department of Ohio State. OSU has run itself like a quasi-state entity for too long. IF the Attorney General of the state tells a state agency how to interpret a law, how in the world does the state agency have the arrogance to do anything other than this?

If the Dispatch wants to do the citizens their due by behaving like the free press we deserve, they will look into the following:

1) A comparison of the salaries of lawyers in the employ of OSU as compared to the lawyers employed by the Attorney General. Start from the top and work down.

2) A comparison of the size of OSU's Legal Affairs office in comparison to that of all other Ohio universities.

3) Explain the statutory relationship between OSU's Legal Affairs division and the Attorney General.

4) Detail the amount of money that OSU has paid outside firms to carry it's legal case load.(Do this case by case and you will uncover important information.)

IF you ask for detailed and specific information about the above questions you will first have to fight your way through the Legal Affairs Office itself, and it's interpretation of "privacy."

(Just look at Ohio State declaring phone calls and texts made by Gene Smith, Jim Tressel and Gordon Gee on state property and on state time, to be "personal.")

Hopefully, DeWine will have more courage than his predecessors in reigning in this unit of the state's government. It is long over due.

OSU Legal Affairs is the "smoking gun" behind the current break down in the ethics of the university. The ethic of "don't lie, but don't tell the truth" comes straight from this office.

And you wait, if the Attorney General wants to lift the lid on the place, they will try to hide as much as possible under the rug of "attorney-client" privilege. This should be considered preposterous at a public university funded by tax dollars.

Good luck doing the deep cleaning on this mess. Congratulations to the AG for stepping in to the fray.

[the hilt]

another republican who wants to take away our rights

[State Property]

the hilt wrote:

another republican who wants to take away our rights

Actually, and oddly, this is a Republican effort to win you your rights. You are upside down on what is going on.

[JamesH]

I'd like to see the Attorney General defend Ohio law and Ohioans by challenging the NCAA rule that athletes can't sell their personal property. OSU is a public institution and doesn't have any authority to require students generally or athletes in particular to sell or not sell their personal property.

Since the NCAA's rule conflicts with Ohio law on the matter, courts would favor Ohio law over NCAA rules and should restore the eligibility of the players. Of course the players are getting their advice from coaches and administrators who have a vested interest in not provoking the NCAA. A lawyer working for the best interests of the players would advise them differently. See the MacAdoo suit vs the NCAA in North Carolina frex.

If the NCAA rule were tossed, then Tressel didn't lie either and OSU shouldn't be facing any sanctions including vacating wins.

[State Property]

JamesH wrote:

I'd like to see the Attorney General defend Ohio law and Ohioans by challenging the NCAA rule that athletes can't sell their personal property. OSU is a public institution and doesn't have any authority to require students generally or athletes in particular to sell or not sell their personal property.
Since the NCAA's rule conflicts with Ohio law on the matter, courts would favor Ohio law over NCAA rules and should restore the eligibility of the players. Of course the players are getting their advice from coaches and administrators who have a vested interest in not provoking the NCAA. A lawyer working for the best interests of the players would advise them differently. See the MacAdoo suit vs the NCAA in North Carolina frex.
If the NCAA rule were tossed, then Tressel didn't lie either and OSU shouldn't be facing any sanctions including vacating wins.

James,

You just don't get it. The rule to prevent players from selling goods given to them by the university is a cardinal rule of remaining an amateur sport. You are basically saying that Ohio State should withdraw from the NCAA and the rules that all schools have agreed to play by to create fair competition.

I know the following example is an exaggeration, but hopefully you will get the point.

Let's say that a school decides to put a "bounty" on beating their top rival. So, they determine that in any given year that the football team beats this rival, they will award each and every player, coach and manager a "gold corvette." There is a local car dealer in town that is more than willing to make the "donation." On years that the team wins, there is a spectacular parade of the new shiny cars given out to the young heroes.

One year, an owner of a tattoo parlor gets into the act, and says, not only will the young heroes of our college get a "gold corvette" but I will give them all free tattoos of the gold corvette...etc., etc., etc.

Your line of reasoning would lead to all out chaos in college sports.

Look, I consider Jim Tressel to be a good man who made a single mistake. I even think that he had good intentions. I also think that he never gave a thought to reporting the situation to the boob he has a boss. And it is too bad that the AD does not inspire confidence at home. I would trust Jim Tressel any day over Gordon Gee or Gene Smith...but the "bargaining" phase of the grief process needs to end in Columbus, and this includes the ridiculous notion that the NCAA are the bad guys.

If anything, the government of the state of Ohio needs to be stepping into clean up the mess at The flagship university. It is unfortunate that this is going to be done by the national media and the NCAA. Besides a single trustee, Mr. Jurgensen, NO ONE has stood up to say that we need to fix this mess, and fix it from the top down. Not one faculty member has made a comment. Where is the Provost? Where are the Deans? The Trustees are complicit by their silence...

It is good that Dewine has decided to stop gagging on the national ridicule, and do something? Yes.

When the next shoe on this centipede drops in Columbus, maybe what should have been done from the start will be done. Oh yes, there will be another shoe. And if you pick it up, and look closely at it, it has a "lift" in it.

[Reader]

Sounds like a red herring to me. FERPA has frequently been used to protect schools. I have heard of cases of parents of students with disabilities being denied when they requested visiting a proposed placement for their child--arguing that they wouls see students with disabilities--violating FERPA. Similarly, parents of children who were victims of assault on school buses were denied access to films--because they would violate FERPA.

Misappliction seems to be rampant when it is convenient.

[Reader]

Rsteinosufan wrote:

I dont agree with vacating wins! What about the playres who had nothihg to do with the "MESS" stats? Its not fair to them!

Nothing about cheating is fair. That is why there need to be stiff sanctions that target the individuals as well as the program. There are good reasons that we don't pay students directly to play college ball. If they go around this to get indirect payment through gifts and discounts, this tends to advantage the school that allows it in terms of recruiting advantages. What about the schools that follow the rules and have less access to top players as a result?

Vacating wins is actually a piece of window-dressing that OSU is offering up in hopes of avoiding more far-reaching losses--such as scholarships.

[Reader]

JamesH wrote:

I'd like to see the Attorney General defend Ohio law and Ohioans by challenging the NCAA rule that athletes can't sell their personal property. OSU is a public institution and doesn't have any authority to require students generally or athletes in particular to sell or not sell their personal property.
Since the NCAA's rule conflicts with Ohio law on the matter, courts would favor Ohio law over NCAA rules and should restore the eligibility of the players. Of course the players are getting their advice from coaches and administrators who have a vested interest in not provoking the NCAA. A lawyer working for the best interests of the players would advise them differently. See the MacAdoo suit vs the NCAA in North Carolina frex.
If the NCAA rule were tossed, then Tressel didn't lie either and OSU shouldn't be facing any sanctions including vacating wins.

If that's what they agree to then that's what they agree to. There is no Ohio law that stands in the way. It all has to do with protecting the amateur status of college athletics.

[Cowlumbus Born]

Do you know how much money OSU could make if they made the stadium bigger to hold 1000,s more people? Not only do the students want to go watch the football games,but alot of other OSU fans, who have to sit at home or go to bars to watch it. But the stadium is always sold out. You've already took out the Jesse Owens track for more seat, no more track meets there!

[Sterling Silver]

Rsteinosufan wrote:

I dont agree with vacating wins! What about the playres who had nothihg to do with the "MESS" stats? Its not fair to them!

You ever been on a team? Guess not, or you would already know this: you win as a team and lose as a team. Funny, a lot of the "immature" college kid players already understand this.

[Omeezee]

Why does he want the records unsealed? The coach quit, they fore fitted the entire 2010 season. What more does he want? Case closed. DeWine sounds like he wants media attention. I love when he says ""What complicates the issue are federal bureaucrats (at the U.S. Department of Education) who think they know how to interpret the law". Hello. They are Federal Bureaucrats enforcing a Federal law!? Maybe he should now get back to the other concerns I'm sure the people of Ohio have instead of a college football team?

[save_the_rustbel t]

Dewine just wants to make up his own laws.??

If he didn't like the privacy law he could have done something while he was in the Senate - except he was a big do-nothing in the Senate.