Council supports medical pot rules with some changes

[The Dude]

Wilson Students wrote:

My WIlson student talked at dinner last night about some of his friends that received prescriptions for their headaches. All it takes is an excuse (provided from a list at the clinics), a willing doctor (provided by a list at the clinic)and the cash (provided by the parents) and the kids have their medicine.

Recommendations cannot be given to people under the age of 18. If these are Wilson High students who are 18 or older, then they are within the guidelines set forth by the state. If they are under 18 and receiving recommendations for MMJ then the place where they are getting the recommendation should be investigated. I also find it hard to believe that any dispensary would accept a membership application from someone under the age of 18.

[The Dude]

Ricardo in Long Beach wrote:

My questions
1. How they are going to prevent medical marijuana users from selling their daily doses?
2. How they are going to trace the marijuana that comes out from the legal dispensers?
3. Where are the collectives buying the marijuana?
4. will the smoke regulations apply to marijuana smokers?
5. Anyway to restrict users of marijuana sharing their dose with minors?
6. What about appartament building regulations for marijuana smokers to keep minors and none smokers free from those fumes?

ok, lets see here...

How do we prevent patients from selling their doses of oxycontin, vicodin, anti-depressants and other medicine doses to minors or anyone else for that matter?

How do we trace medication like oxycontin and vicodin and other uppers and downers available by prescription?

Collectives get their plants from growers in compliance with state laws mostly in the emerald triangle of northern california.

Restrictions and laws similar to those enforcing tobacco smoke should be considered... but more studies should be done to determine the health risks associated with second hand MJ smoke. I doubt that the smoke is as harmful as processed tobacco/ cigarettes are. Considering how many chemicals, preservatives and addicting chemicals is mixed in with tobacco. I doubt MJ is AS harmful, but harmful nonetheless.

Ive lived in several apartment complexes that enforce a no smoking policy, and I have had neighbors that would smoke in their apartments anyways... they felt what they did in their apartments was their business and had no effect on their neighbors. Obviously the smell and health risks are an issue. So rules like that almost seem pointless. Lets wake up people!!!!

[Robin C]

Wilson Students wrote:

My WIlson student talked at dinner last night about some of his friends that received prescriptions for their headaches. All it takes is an excuse (provided from a list at the clinics), a willing doctor (provided by a list at the clinic)and the cash (provided by the parents) and the kids have their medicine.

Your "Wilson Student" isn't getting the whole story and you are making judgements that you don't have all the facts on. While minors can qualify for medical marijuana, they can ONLY do so with their parents approval and strict monitoring. As a matter of fact, my doctor was a pioneer in research concerning mmj and adolescents. Her research proved that it was an extremely effective treatment for children with ADD. She had testified before congress and presented her research to other physician and civilian groups with great success before her death in 2007 from breast cancer. Her medical clinic lives on today. In their forms and literature they are absolutely clear on the expectations and regulations concerning children who are recommended mmj. It seems to me that IF your "Wilson Student" was given the whole story by his friends, it would include the facts that the parent must accompany them to every doctor's visit and every pharmacy visit. Their parent must initiate, attend and participate in their child's mmj treatment, not by partaking themselves, but, by being aware and monitoring the usage. Additionally, it is recommended to the patient and their parents that they absolutely not do what your "students" friends did. Meaning do not talk about it at school or with other kids. Keep in mind that mmj that is recommended for children would probably be more recommended in an edible form or a tincture rather than as a smokable product. But, had your "student" been given the whole, entire truth, it would not have sounded so cool as the story they were given. While I applaud you for listening to your child and discussing these issues, I would beg you to please get all the facts so you can present them with the truth. It isn't as easy for kids to get as it was made to sound like and it should not be.

[LB Eagle Eye]

Why not propose a "Drug Sales ZOne", er... a "Medicine Distribution Zone" in one place. Let's locate it adjacent to the police station. Everyone wins, the weed pushers get to sell their wares, the City follows state law, public safety officials can keep an eye on all of it and City Hall can collect the tax on a daily basis.

Problem solved!

[Robin C]

The Dude wrote:

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Recommendations cannot be given to people under the age of 18. If these are Wilson High students who are 18 or older, then they are within the guidelines set forth by the state. If they are under 18 and receiving recommendations for MMJ then the place where they are getting the recommendation should be investigated. I also find it hard to believe that any dispensary would accept a membership application from someone under the age of 18.

Hey Dude, we DO agree on many of the issues, but, minors can be given a recommendation for mmj.It requires that their parent or guardian be involved. They have to attend every doctor visit and every pharmacy visit, the minor would not be admitted by themselves. I don't know the legality of it, but, I believe the premise is that the parent is the caregiver and the minor is the patient. Many doctors who do recommend to adults do not recommend to minors, but, there are some who will do so. I wholeheartedly agree that if there is a doctor or collective who doesn't require a parent be present, they should be investigated. Thank you for your helpful, rational and insightful comments. It's the informed that will hopefully educate the uninformed on this issue.

[Ronald]

Here is a link to a site describing the DEA's current position regarding dangerous pot that the corrupt Long Beach politicians are attempting to legalize, and who do so by using "the back door" route of for "medical reasons".

http://www.justice.gov/dea/marijuana_position...

Keep in mind that the DEA is a creation of the corrupt politicians. After they are able to convince a gullible "public" that pot use is normal and desirable in order to tax it, current sound DEA policy in defense of the public is likely to change. It would be interesting for the reader to print out or save to disk the current DEA policy so as to compare its current policy with that after dangerous mind rotting pot becomes a taxable good.

Ronald

[The Dude]

Robin C wrote:

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Hey Dude, we DO agree on many of the issues, but, minors can be given a recommendation for mmj.It requires that their parent or guardian be involved. They have to attend every doctor visit and every pharmacy visit, the minor would not be admitted by themselves. I don't know the legality of it, but, I believe the premise is that the parent is the caregiver and the minor is the patient. Many doctors who do recommend to adults do not recommend to minors, but, there are some who will do so. I wholeheartedly agree that if there is a doctor or collective who doesn't require a parent be present, they should be investigated. Thank you for your helpful, rational and insightful comments. It's the informed that will hopefully educate the uninformed on this issue.

Robin,
I did not consider, nor did it dawn on me, the cargiver aspect in regards to under age MMJ patients. I do agree that underage MMJ patients should very closely be monitored by parents AND their physicians. It should not in any way be allowed without expressed permission by the parents and their physician under very careful consideration. The only underage MMJ patients I can see would be terminally ill minors or minors with very serious medical conditions. Not to be confused with minors who complain about minor headaches, like headaches induced by staring at their tvs and iphones all day! ;)

I do agree that education is key to understanding MMJ. Stop fearing the unknown and get educated people.

[Ronald]

LB Eagle Eye wrote:

Why not propose a "Drug Sales ZOne", er... a "Medicine Distribution Zone" in one place. Let's locate it adjacent to the police station. Everyone wins, the weed pushers get to sell their wares, the City follows state law, public safety officials can keep an eye on all of it and City Hall can collect the tax on a daily basis.
Problem solved!

L B Eagle Eye.

I disagree. Any pothead so ill that he "needs" to smoke pot should be hospitalized so that qualified medical personnel can closely monitor and observe him while he is tripping out. "Medical" pot should only be dispensed by qualified hospital pharmacy staff.

The corrupt Long Beach politiocrats propose to "dump" these "seriously ill" individuals into residential areas where little children, and others,(including innocent little babies) would be exposed to the zonked out pothead's secondhand pot smoke. How different is that from disreputable Government controlled hospitals dumping released indigent patients onto Los Angeles' skid row?

Ronald

[The Dude]

Ronald wrote:

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L B Eagle Eye.
I disagree. Any pothead so ill that he "needs" to smoke pot should be hospitalized so that qualified medical personnel can closely monitor and observe him while he is tripping out. "Medical" pot should only be dispensed by qualified hospital pharmacy staff.
The corrupt Long Beach politiocrats propose to "dump" these "seriously ill" individuals into residential areas where little children, and others,(including innocent little babies) would be exposed to the zonked out pothead's secondhand pot smoke. How different is that from disreputable Government controlled hospitals dumping released indigent patients onto Los Angeles' skid row?
Ronald

Ronald,
Your ramblings make it very hard to decipher which side of this argument you are on.

[Concerned]

It is amazing what politicians will do for more tax money. If Long Beach was flush with money; what would these politician say?

Between trying to balance a budget that will be out of whack again next year, and the council's lack of will to stand up to the unions; our politicians are looking for any way to bring in revenue. Poor souls; they lack a moral compass and the will to do what is right for the city and its' children. It appears that tackling the budget and its' structural deficit is alot tougher than selling oneself during an election.

You can tell where the weak lay on the city council by their votes and arguments. No matter how you feel about whether marijuana is a good substance to help health problems; common sense would tell the councilmembers that we don't need these dispenseries all over Long Beach. A couple would do, because if you read their ads; many of them deliver free.

I would say, again our politicians are turning their heads and minds to the $$$$, instead of the welfare of Long Beach citizens.

This is nothing more than the ability to collect taxes for the city, whose well has dried up.

[Ricardo in Long Beach]

The Dude wrote:

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ok, lets see here...
How do we prevent patients from selling their doses of oxycontin, vicodin, anti-depressants and other medicine doses to minors or anyone else for that matter?
How do we trace medication like oxycontin and vicodin and other uppers and downers available by prescription?
Collectives get their plants from growers in compliance with state laws mostly in the emerald triangle of northern california.
Restrictions and laws similar to those enforcing tobacco smoke should be considered... but more studies should be done to determine the health risks associated with second hand MJ smoke. I doubt that the smoke is as harmful as processed tobacco/ cigarettes are. Considering how many chemicals, preservatives and addicting chemicals is mixed in with tobacco. I doubt MJ is AS harmful, but harmful nonetheless.
Ive lived in several apartment complexes that enforce a no smoking policy, and I have had neighbors that would smoke in their apartments anyways... they felt what they did in their apartments was their business and had no effect on their neighbors. Obviously the smell and health risks are an issue. So rules like that almost seem pointless. Lets wake up people!!!!

Anti-depressants are prescribed in doses for 30 days before that time line the patient can't buy any more, is it the case with Medical Marijuana?

The smoke of tabacco it's a health risk but Marijuana gets you high so the smell is not the bigger issue, in apartament buildings where toddlers and older kids could be expose to Marijuana smoke they'll be involuntarily getting high, I don't see a need to expose healthy kids to stimulans.

[Ronald]

Ricardo in Long Beach wrote:

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Anti-depressants are prescribed in doses for 30 days before that time line the patient can't buy any more, is it the case with Medical Marijuana?
The smoke of tabacco it's a health risk but Marijuana gets you high so the smell is not the bigger issue, in apartament buildings where toddlers and older kids could be expose to Marijuana smoke they'll be involuntarily getting high, I don't see a need to expose healthy kids to stimulans.

Ricardo.

You are right, but unfortunately, the corrupt politicians on the city council take issue with you. They plan to "legalize" potheads smoking "medical" pot in residential neighborhoods and in condominium buildings where "legal" "medical" pot smoke will waft throughout the hallways and saturate the air in elevators.(children cannot be protected because "by law", they cannot be prohibited from residing in dangerous Long Beach condominium buildings)

I just hope these thieving despots do not cut the time given to non pot smoking residential area dwellers who appear in the council chamber to address them. They should give some consideration to the fact that the sickening pot smoke odor that saturates the clothing and the hair of non pothead residential area speakers is of their own doing.

Ronald

[Ricardo in Long Beach]

may be, they could convert the hookah bars into pot bars and ban pot smoking in redidential areas

[agree]

hahaha....cats out of the bag.

no turning back now.
couldnt if you tried.
you know its true.
embrace it.

medical m. is here in your city to stay.

im very happy.

[HistoryBuff]

Total economic collapse in California is eminent now that our legislators are walking away from the jobs we hired them to do for us. The political atrophy regarding their lack of support for A.B. 390 has raised questions among most of their constituents. Regardless it's obvious now that Arnold really never intended to debate the issue of legalization of cannabis in California as a stimulus to our States economic dilemma. We as taxpayers will ultimately pay for the folly our legislators have put us in. Support A.B. 390 now Arnold, show the Nation what can be done when we Californians decide to work together even when it‘s not considered a politically popular issue by some of those other States. In other words Arnold be larger than life as we imagined you when we voted you into office…please.

[HistoryBuff]

Ricardo in Long Beach wrote:

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Anti-depressants are prescribed in doses for 30 days before that time line the patient can't buy any more, is it the case with Medical Marijuana?
The smoke of tabacco it's a health risk but Marijuana gets you high so the smell is not the bigger issue, in apartament buildings where toddlers and older kids could be expose to Marijuana smoke they'll be involuntarily getting high, I don't see a need to expose healthy kids to stimulans.

Maybe this is off topic here but it's an interesting FYI regardless. A recent EPA report said living in downtown Los Angeles has the same detrimental effects as smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day...I didn't read anything about Long Beach air quality but sorry to everyone who lives in downtown Los Angeles.

[The Truth]

I think allowing it it will help the city. Now the drug addicts can help the city chase out the GAYS!!!!!

[The Dude]

The Truth wrote:

I think allowing it it will help the city. Now the drug addicts can help the city chase out the GAYS!!!!!

Sorry to burst your bubble but along with Medical Marijuana "The Gays" are here to stay.

[Ronald]

The Dude wrote:

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Sorry to burst your bubble but along with Medical Marijuana "The Gays" are here to stay.

The Dude.

You are right. The corrupt Long Beach politicians are only trying to help the economy through the "medical" route. Both elderly non Homosexual and elderly Homosexual 60s 70s era spaced out "California dreamin'" potheads who fled the State in terror after seeing the mess they made of it will flock back, hoping to relive their youth. Long Beach,(AKA Compton by the sea) will enjoy a resurgence.

Shoddily built downtown condominiums will sell out. Unsuccessful buyers will be left crying at the door, knowing they will never get to enjoy the "medical benefits" of secondhand pot smoke wafting through the hallways and elevators. The return of fun loving expatriate 60s 70s era non tobacco smoking Homosexual and non Homosexual potheads will cause rent and overtaxed property "values" to soar. Local restaurants will be able to impose the politicians' punitive 10% non smoker food tax on the returnees. Sales by overpriced theme based NO TOBACCO SMOKERS! restaurants, coffee houses, and beer joints will break all previous records! A great day is coming! Zonk out, lie back and enjoy the scene, bro Dude!

Ronald

[Robin C]

The Dude wrote:

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Robin,
I did not consider, nor did it dawn on me, the cargiver aspect in regards to under age MMJ patients. I do agree that underage MMJ patients should very closely be monitored by parents AND their physicians. It should not in any way be allowed without expressed permission by the parents and their physician under very careful consideration. The only underage MMJ patients I can see would be terminally ill minors or minors with very serious medical conditions. Not to be confused with minors who complain about minor headaches, like headaches induced by staring at their tvs and iphones all day! ;)
I do agree that education is key to understanding MMJ. Stop fearing the unknown and get educated people.

Actually, mmj has been found to be extremely helpful in treating ADD and ADHD in children. Much better results and far fewer side effects than with traditional medicine. The dose can be taken in the morning and it is enough to keep them calm and focused for the next 8 hours or so. Not enough for them to be stoned, but enough for them to be able to get through school. This would be in the form of a cookie or maybe some pnut butter spread on toast. Not smoked,but eaten.