Smoking at Wrigley -- Lake County (Illinois)

[Tom]

No one said it's a constitutional right. It's not health crap, it's that someone smoking infringes upon me to not want to smell like it IN A PUBLIC PLACE. It's not a private campfire.....you miss it if you think it's about health.....it's about being considerate and polite in a civil society.....and by the way you're ignoring the fact that it's illegal whether you like it or not.....it's illegal

[Doomiss]

John wrote:

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Guess what? That right doesn't exist. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that everyone is free from dealing with minor inconveniences. And now that we're talking about the outdoors, your health crap isn't gonna fly. Face it, you are the one being unreasonable. Frankly, even inside your arguments are questionable if you've ever sat by a campfire for more than ten minutes, since that's way more smoke than in all but the most crowded bars.

Don't give me what passes for "logic" in GOP circles: "it's not in the Constitution, therefore it doesn't exist" blah blah blah.

Guess what, ace? YOU and cigarettes do not appearin the Constitution, but you both, unfortunately, exist. We're talking 2008, not 1789, but if you want to keep treating your ailments with leeches, fire up.

One more time: as a libertarian, I WANT smokers to smoke, just not around me or my kids. Got it?
In fact, the more you smoke, the more taxes you pay and the sooner you 86 yourself. Win-win, baby.

[Jefferson]

Doomiss wrote:

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Don't give me what passes for "logic" in GOP circles: "it's not in the Constitution, therefore it doesn't exist" blah blah blah.
Guess what, ace? YOU and cigarettes do not appearin the Constitution, but you both, unfortunately, exist. We're talking 2008, not 1789, but if you want to keep treating your ailments with leeches, fire up.
One more time: as a libertarian, I WANT smokers to smoke, just not around me or my kids. Got it?
In fact, the more you smoke, the more taxes you pay and the sooner you 86 yourself. Win-win, baby.

Talk about a clueless poster!

[Carl Chomko]

Spector wrote:

Well I'm sure you have now thoroughly humiliated your boy with your sad little appeal on this forum. Honestly! If you were a real man, you would have gone up to the smokers and told them to their faces that they were causing the little cells in your little son's lungs to mutate into horrible horrible cancer cells, and then punch those guys in the nose, or at leawst tell them to leave.
But no, you would rather just 'air' your concerns in a letter here, and narc on folks who have been forced by a bunch of stupid restrictions into smoking in the boys room.
Well congrats pal, little Timmy will now know his daddy's a big NARC!
Shame!
(And no, I'm not a smoker, but I thinks these nanny-state restrictions on people's civil liberties have gotten way out of hand.)

Spector,

Yeah, a real man expresses how he feels by violence. Great idea. Thinking like this is what makes problems worse...how does punching one idiot smoking in the bathroom in the nose stop others from smoking in the bathroom. Great plan.

[Patrick]

It's sort of incredible how an issue expands. Syler leads off by complaining that people are smoking in a public indoor area. Pretty soon, we have the constitution brought into the argument and Spector is decrying Syler's manhood. Makes sense...

Anyway, I think the heart of the issue is that the bathroom is indoors, confined, and public. Smoking outside with a little breeze is one thing, but a crowded room is something else. The idea that the existing security (Not a special task force made up of the religious right) stop by the restrooms and clear out the smokers doesn't seem like much of a hassle or a stretch to me.

Or have I missed something here?

[Idiotic]

I was waiting for one of the smokers to say that the father had the choice whether or not to take the kid into a bathroom. Then someone wonders whether or not a baseball game is the right place for a 5 year-old. Put the cancer sticks down and enjoy the game. What do you need them for?

[Nevada CCW]

If some reasonable accomodation were made to allow the smokers to light up outside, I sincerely doubt they'd be hanging around the men's room.

Prohibition doesn't work for anything.

[Doomiss]

Jefferson wrote:

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Talk about a clueless poster!

Good comeback, Potsie. I notice how you failed to address any of my points, shockingly.

[Ronnie Woo Woo]

Cough Cubs Woo Cough Cubs Woo..

[Smoked UP]

This happens to be America! People have every right to smoke where they want.

[Danno]

I am a non-smoker, but feel the smokers' rights have not been accommodated adequately, lately. There's no good reason there cannot be some bars with smoking liquor licenses and the rest with non-smoking licenses. Similarly, there's no reason Wrigley cannot have several conveniently-located outdoor smoking areas and, if need be, re-entry privileges if a smoker needs to leave the ballpark to use them.

The ANTI-smokers (different from non-smokers) seem to want to create situations that make things as uncomfortable as possible for smokers for periods that are as lengthy as possible. Their intent is not to protect non-smokers from secondhand smoke in these situations. Rather it is to inflict distress on the smokers.

The ANTI-smokers are the bullies of this decade.

[Pam]

Patrick wrote:

It's sort of incredible how an issue expands. Syler leads off by complaining that people are smoking in a public indoor area. Pretty soon, we have the constitution brought into the argument and Spector is decrying Syler's manhood. Makes sense...
Anyway, I think the heart of the issue is that the bathroom is indoors, confined, and public. Smoking outside with a little breeze is one thing, but a crowded room is something else. The idea that the existing security (Not a special task force made up of the religious right) stop by the restrooms and clear out the smokers doesn't seem like much of a hassle or a stretch to me.
Or have I missed something here?

What you have missed is the question of "Where can you smoke?" If smokers are not given a place to smoke, they will find a place -- in this instance, the lavatories.