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Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10983 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10788 Dec 10, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The rope you use for erotic asphyxiation while looking at pictures of young boys, GunShow?
No one wants to touch anything you touch, Shug.
And everyone is hoping you slip on the mess you make on the floor.
Projectile vomiting again, eh troll? You better ask the doctor for some medicine!

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10789 Dec 10, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
His wife took the car when she left him.
It's just him and his ski mask.
Sadly... he wears the hat when he's done.
Is that some kind of childish code language you and your gay-lover satan use?

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10790 Dec 10, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Which perversions are liberals trying to normalize and legalize? Pedophilia? Rape? Incest? Child pornography? What?
Or did you just make that up?
ALL of the above. The LIEberals want it to be hell on earth.

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10791 Dec 10, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
<quoted text>
No argument there, it's human nature. However, certain moral value standards are more closely adhered to by those with a conservative mindset vs. a LIEberal one. And when the vices become a large detriment to society as a whole. They must be dealt with for the preservation of the whole.
I think this assessment is greatly misguided. While you may be able to cite many examples of naughty behavior by liberals, I'm not sure you want someone to open the can of worms that is naughty behavior by conservatives. If you honestly believe that people of specific political persuasion are more or less likely to engage in immoral behavior, you better be ready to accept research that would not support your claim.

I doubt there is any way to truly quantify which party is more "moral" since morality is a subjective term anyway. But just off the top of my head, I can recall many examples of conservative politicians engaging in behavior that you yourself would likely agree to be immoral.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10792 Dec 10, 2013
Seems like I didn't even realize this discussion had already become a "your party is naughtier than mine."

So, let me go in the opposite direction:

Liberals & Conservatives More Alike Than You Think
http://www.livescience.com/25491-liberals-con...

...the two sides of the political spectrum are closer together than [people] believe, a new study reveals.

Everyone, including political moderates, overestimates the gap between liberal and conservative morals, according to the new study published today (Dec. 12) in the journal PLOS ONE.

Surprisingly, it's not just the other party that people get wrong; they also tend to exaggerate the moral beliefs of their own political affiliation.

"These moral stereotype differences were exaggerations beyond even the most extreme partisans we could find," study researcher Jesse Graham, a psychologist at the University of Southern California, told LiveScience.

More studies on this very topic:

The Moral Stereotypes of Liberals and Conservatives: Exaggeration of Differences across the Political Spectrum
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F1...

More Similar Than They Think: Liberals and Conservatives Exaggerate Perceived Moral Views
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/...

Both Liberals and Conservatives Are Out-of-Control Exaggerators About How Immoral the Other Side Is
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/both-liberal...

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10793 Dec 10, 2013
Bunny Corcoran wrote:
<quoted text>
I think this assessment is greatly misguided. While you may be able to cite many examples of naughty behavior by liberals, I'm not sure you want someone to open the can of worms that is naughty behavior by conservatives. If you honestly believe that people of specific political persuasion are more or less likely to engage in immoral behavior, you better be ready to accept research that would not support your claim.
I doubt there is any way to truly quantify which party is more "moral" since morality is a subjective term anyway. But just off the top of my head, I can recall many examples of conservative politicians engaging in behavior that you yourself would likely agree to be immoral.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the GOATS ON HIS LEFT."--Jesus, Matthew 25:31-33

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10794 Dec 10, 2013
Bunny Corcoran wrote:
<quoted text>
I think this assessment is greatly misguided. While you may be able to cite many examples of naughty behavior by liberals, I'm not sure you want someone to open the can of worms that is naughty behavior by conservatives. If you honestly believe that people of specific political persuasion are more or less likely to engage in immoral behavior, you better be ready to accept research that would not support your claim.
I doubt there is any way to truly quantify which party is more "moral" since morality is a subjective term anyway. But just off the top of my head, I can recall many examples of conservative politicians engaging in behavior that you yourself would likely agree to be immoral.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.
Abortion: Over FIFTY-FIVE MILLION MURDERED IN THEIR MOTHERS WOMB.

Case closed.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10795 Dec 10, 2013
Bunny Corcoran wrote:
Seems like I didn't even realize this discussion had already become a "your party is naughtier than mine."
So, let me go in the opposite direction:
Liberals & Conservatives More Alike Than You Think
http://www.livescience.com/25491-liberals-con...
...the two sides of the political spectrum are closer together than [people] believe, a new study reveals.
Everyone, including political moderates, overestimates the gap between liberal and conservative morals, according to the new study published today (Dec. 12) in the journal PLOS ONE.
Surprisingly, it's not just the other party that people get wrong; they also tend to exaggerate the moral beliefs of their own political affiliation.
"These moral stereotype differences were exaggerations beyond even the most extreme partisans we could find," study researcher Jesse Graham, a psychologist at the University of Southern California, told LiveScience.
More studies on this very topic:
The Moral Stereotypes of Liberals and Conservatives: Exaggeration of Differences across the Political Spectrum
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F1...
More Similar Than They Think: Liberals and Conservatives Exaggerate Perceived Moral Views
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/...
Both Liberals and Conservatives Are Out-of-Control Exaggerators About How Immoral the Other Side Is
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/both-liberal...
"Democratic Party on Abortion

"Party Platform

"Strongly and unequivocally support Roe v. Wade The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right....{"
http://www.issues2000.org/celeb/Democratic_Pa...

Since: Nov 13

Location hidden

#10796 Dec 10, 2013
2ndAmRight - your arguments are based on your personal morality. Not everyone shares them. It's what makes humanity unique.

The latest Gallup pole has also shown that 53% of Americans still favor upholding Roe v. Wade - this is across all political spectrums.

A growing number of Americans, particularly those in the 18 to 29 demographic, are responding "no opinion."

I think everyone should respect that abortion is a sensitive subject, one that many people hold in very high importance.

However, as the growing diversity of our nation would indicate, morality based solely on the Christian Bible is becoming less and less of a universal agreement.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#10797 Dec 10, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
<quoted text>
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the GOATS ON HIS LEFT."--Jesus, Matthew 25:31-33
And who are the goats?

Jesus said, "You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me."

The goats are those who do not care for the poor, alien, and prisoner.

Sounds like the average American conservative.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10798 Dec 10, 2013
Bunny Corcoran wrote:
2ndAmRight - your arguments are based on your personal morality. Not everyone shares them. It's what makes humanity unique.
The latest Gallup pole has also shown that 53% of Americans still favor upholding Roe v. Wade - this is across all political spectrums.
A growing number of Americans, particularly those in the 18 to 29 demographic, are responding "no opinion."
I think everyone should respect that abortion is a sensitive subject, one that many people hold in very high importance.
However, as the growing diversity of our nation would indicate, morality based solely on the Christian Bible is becoming less and less of a universal agreement.
Abortion is the most cowardly and despicable form of murder that there is.

In Roe Vs. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court had stated:

"If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case [i.e. "Roe" who sought the abortion], of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [14th] Amendment."

From Princeton University:

"Life Begins at Fertilization

"The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:

"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]
http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/em...

Abortion clearly is murder. And the demonrat party are the perpetrators of the largest genocide in the history of mankind.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10799 Dec 10, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
And who are the goats?
Jesus said, "You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me."
The goats are those who do not care for the poor, alien, and prisoner.
Sounds like the average American conservative.
WRONG AGAIN, O' blinded LIEberal:

" Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.

"If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs.$1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.

"Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government...."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/200...

LIEberals are fearful, selfish, murdering tightwads.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10800 Dec 10, 2013
Bunny Corcoran wrote:
2ndAmRight - your arguments are based on your personal morality. Not everyone shares them. It's what makes humanity unique.
The latest Gallup pole has also shown that 53% of Americans still favor upholding Roe v. Wade - this is across all political spectrums.
A growing number of Americans, particularly those in the 18 to 29 demographic, are responding "no opinion."
I think everyone should respect that abortion is a sensitive subject, one that many people hold in very high importance.
However, as the growing diversity of our nation would indicate, morality based solely on the Christian Bible is becoming less and less of a universal agreement.
Not quite. They are based on scientific FACT.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#10801 Dec 10, 2013
It's also worth noting that the abortion rate climbed under Reagan, climbed under GHWBush, dropped under Clinton, then climbed again under GWBush, and is dropping again under Obama.

Why is that?

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Because Democratic policies reduce abortions, and Republican policies tend to result in more.
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If we want to actually reduce abortions, we need to prevent unwanted pregnancy. That means better access to contraception and family planning, and more funding for programs to prevent teen pregnancy (which are at all-time lows under Obama, by the way).

It also means increasing access to pre- and post-natal and pediatric health care, child care assistance, domestic violence prevention programs, and improved adoption services. That is how we prevent women from ending up in a situation where they need an abortion or help them reach a place where they decide to carry the child to term.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithfuldemocrat...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#10802 Dec 10, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG AGAIN, O' blinded LIEberal:
" Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.
"If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:
-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs.$1,227).
-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.
-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.
-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
"Brooks demonstrates a correlation between charitable behavior and "the values that lie beneath" liberal and conservative labels. Two influences on charitable behavior are religion and attitudes about the proper role of government...."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/200...
LIEberals are fearful, selfish, murdering tightwads.
Oh, look - George will wants to try to make conservative goats feel better about their viscous attacks on the poor, alien, and prisoners by talking about the pittance of their personal wealth they give away.

Please spare me.

Republican policies do far more to make the poor poorer, the hungry hungrier, more people homeless, more people sick without access to healthcare, the alien more marginalized, and create more prisoners than any benefit they provide through personal charitable giving.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#10803 Dec 10, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
It's also worth noting that the abortion rate climbed under Reagan, climbed under GHWBush, dropped under Clinton, then climbed again under GWBush, and is dropping again under Obama.
Why is that?
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Because Democratic policies reduce abortions, and Republican policies tend to result in more.
...
If we want to actually reduce abortions, we need to prevent unwanted pregnancy. That means better access to contraception and family planning, and more funding for programs to prevent teen pregnancy (which are at all-time lows under Obama, by the way).
It also means increasing access to pre- and post-natal and pediatric health care, child care assistance, domestic violence prevention programs, and improved adoption services. That is how we prevent women from ending up in a situation where they need an abortion or help them reach a place where they decide to carry the child to term.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithfuldemocrat...
"Republican Party on Abortion

"Party Platform

"Support human life amendment; oppose abortion funding
Faithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide...."
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Republican_P...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#10805 Dec 10, 2013
Bloomberg dot com:

No, Callous Americans, Private Giving Can't Replace Obamacare

To be sure, almost 90 percent of Americans give to charity, and they gave a total of $316 billion last year.
...
Donations rise during good times and fall during bad; the $316 billion given last year is high, but it's still less than any of the three years leading up to the last recession. It's understandable that people would have less to give when times are hard, but happens to be the exact time when the need is highest.
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Some of the money you give to your church or synagogue will go to helping the needy, but not all of it. And donations to your alma mater, your children's school or your favorite art gallery are crucial for society, but they don't feed the poor or pay for doctor visits.
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*The food stamps program cost $78 billion last year, and Medicaid cost $251 billion.
*Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or what used to be called welfare, cost another $31 billion.
*Once the Obamacare exchanges reach something like full capacity in 2017, federal subsidies for insurance on those exchanges is projected to cost about $108 billion.
*And that's before we even mention Social Security, which cost $773 billion in 2012.

So the idea that a reduction in these programs could somehow be made up for by an increase in private giving just doesn't reflect reality.

In a country where 57 million people don't have health insurance and one in four children live in poverty, falling support for government welfare programs can't be defended on the grounds that Americans remain individually charitable.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#10806 Dec 10, 2013
2ndAmRight wrote:
<quoted text>
"Republican Party on Abortion
"Party Platform
"Support human life amendment; oppose abortion funding
Faithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide...."
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Republican_P...
Meaningless words that end up causing the abortion rate to RISE under Republican administrations.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#10807 Dec 10, 2013
Obama has already done more to reduce the number of abortions than any other president ever has or ever will.
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Obamacare stands to cut abortion rates by 75%. And yet, the pro-life movement has been leveraged in opposition to Obamacare, and most especially in opposition to the birth control mandate. They don’t believe women should be guaranteed access to free contraception even though this access is the number one proven best way to decrease the number of abortions.

That access would, to use the rhetoric of the pro-life movement, prevent the murders of 900,000 unborn babies every year.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#10808 Dec 10, 2013
If those who oppose abortion really believes that abortion is murder, they should be supporting programs that would make it easier for poor women to afford to carry pregnancies to term. Instead, they’re doing the opposite.

Overwhelmingly, those who oppose abortion also want to cut welfare and medicaid. Without these programs, the number of women who choose abortion because they cannot afford to carry a given pregnancy to term will rise.

Further, they are working against things like paid maternity leave, subsidized daycare, and universal health insurance for children, programs which would likely decrease the number of women who choose abortion because they cannot afford to carry a pregnancy to term.

And in this specific case, conservatives want to penalize a poor woman who chooses to carry a pregnancy to term by making it harder for her to make ends meet.

This makes utterly no sense if the goal is to save babies.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/...

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But the rightwing goal isn't to save babies. Their real goal is to keep a wedge issue alive to try to win elections.

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