Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32099 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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Since: Sep 12

West Plains, MO

#17040 Oct 9, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>The movie the Godmakers got that from this:

... it will be seen that the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion, was a polygamist,... the Messiah chose to ... by marrying many honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that he approbated the plurality of wives under the Christian dispensation....

We have now clearly shown that GOD THE FATHER HAD A PLURALITY OF WIVES, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His first Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as his only begotten in this world. We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings' daughters and many honorable wives were to be married. We have also proved that both GOD THE FATHER AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST INHERIT THEIR WIVES in eternity as well as in time; ... it would be so shocking to the modesty of the very pious ladies of Christendom to see Abraham and his wives, Jacob and his wives, Jesus and his honorable wives, all eating occasionally at the same table,... If you do not want your morals corrupted, and your delicate ears shocked and your pious modesty put to the blush by the society of polygamists and their wives, do not venture near the New Earth; for polygamists will be honored there, and will be among the chief rulers in that Kingdom (The Seer, p. 172).
The stuff presented in the Godmakers was from from anti and ex Mormon Ed Decker and Christian apologist Dave Hunt. The film is inaccurate and vile and has been condemned by such groups as the National Conference of Christians and Jews as an inaccurate portrayal of the Mormon Church and very offensive.

Since: Sep 12

West Plains, MO

#17041 Oct 9, 2012
Gladiator76 wrote:
<quoted text>Blah blah blah lamo
Still reading my posts. Good, maybe you'll learn something.
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#17042 Oct 9, 2012
sportxmouse wrote:
now...
2 seperate entities...
1) Fundamentalist (according to Wiki) force people to follow
2) The LDS Church (has free agency)
Yeah she 'FORGOT' about that part.

Wow.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#17043 Oct 9, 2012
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been through several temples and I've done work for the dead. I've never seen any beds. Couches, chairs, benches, wheelchairs, etc. No beds.
To be fair, I haven't either, though there could be one in the temple Presidents office in case someone becomes ill. That has happened. A lot of senior citizens go through the temple.

But there was rumors of beds being in the endowment house in the early days when polygamy was still being hidden. I know I have read of dances being held in the temple at those times also. I have a picture of a spittoon in the SL temple that was taken in the 1800's, so there use to be tobacco chewing there.

How much do you suppose goes annually from this Territory, and has for ten or twelve years past, in gold and silver, to supply the people with tobacco? I will say $60,000. Brother William H. Hooper, our Delegate in Congress, came here in 1849, and during about eight years he was selling goods his sales for tobacco alone amounted to over $28,000 a year. At the same time there were other stores that sold their share and drew their share of the money expended yearly, besides what has been brought in by the keg and by the half keg. The traders and passing emigration have sold tons of tobacco, besides what is sold here regularly. I say that $60,000 annually is the smallest figure I can estimate the sales at. Tobacco can be raised here as well as it can be raised in any other place. It wants attention and care. If we use it, let us raise it here. I recommend for some man to go to raising tobacco. One man, who came here last fall, is going to do so; and if he is diligent, he will raise quite a quantity. I want to see some man go to and make a business of raising tobacco and stop sending money out of the Territory for that article.(Journal of Discourses, Vol.9, p.35, Brigham Young, April 7, 1861)

Here is another picture of a spittoon in the temple that is different from the one I've seen: http://www.mormondoctrine.net/images/Celestia...
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#17044 Oct 9, 2012
sorry double post

Since: Sep 12

West Plains, MO

#17045 Oct 9, 2012
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>Wow....how sad, u agree with a man who says masturbation is satanic and causes less conversions.
??? I said the Church has always been opposed to sexual activity outside of marriage, and that's what you came back with??? Pathetic as usual, NoHo.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#17046 Oct 9, 2012
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
How about a mission president admonishing you for masturbation..and how it's affecting your baptism numbers???
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xd1nzk_mormo...
That is such a great lead in for a joke, but I'm going to control myself this time.

“Mormons will brainwash you”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#17047 Oct 9, 2012
Gold statues on temples. God said not to worship false idols. The moroni stuff is BS. Name one city in the book of mormon that is on google maps.

“Mormons will brainwash you”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#17048 Oct 9, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
To be fair, I haven't either, though there could be one in the temple Presidents office in case someone becomes ill. That has happened. A lot of senior citizens go through the temple.
But there was rumors of beds being in the endowment house in the early days when polygamy was still being hidden. I know I have read of dances being held in the temple at those times also. I have a picture of a spittoon in the SL temple that was taken in the 1800's, so there use to be tobacco chewing there.
How much do you suppose goes annually from this Territory, and has for ten or twelve years past, in gold and silver, to supply the people with tobacco? I will say $60,000. Brother William H. Hooper, our Delegate in Congress, came here in 1849, and during about eight years he was selling goods his sales for tobacco alone amounted to over $28,000 a year. At the same time there were other stores that sold their share and drew their share of the money expended yearly, besides what has been brought in by the keg and by the half keg. The traders and passing emigration have sold tons of tobacco, besides what is sold here regularly. I say that $60,000 annually is the smallest figure I can estimate the sales at. Tobacco can be raised here as well as it can be raised in any other place. It wants attention and care. If we use it, let us raise it here. I recommend for some man to go to raising tobacco. One man, who came here last fall, is going to do so; and if he is diligent, he will raise quite a quantity. I want to see some man go to and make a business of raising tobacco and stop sending money out of the Territory for that article.(Journal of Discourses, Vol.9, p.35, Brigham Young, April 7, 1861)
Here is another picture of a spittoon in the temple that is different from the one I've seen: http://www.mormondoctrine.net/images/Celestia...
I have read that mormons once used wine in sacraments until it got too expensive. Then GOD told smith that it was bad for them. THere is just too many changes in the religion and everyone gets confused.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#17049 Oct 9, 2012
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon525.htm This has a great report of some speculations about what the Mormons did in the temple in the early days of the church.

""Despite injunctions for secrecy, accounts soon began to circulate about the temple rituals. During the 28 December 1845 meeting of the Quorum of the Anointed,[Heber C.] Kimball had, according to [William] Clayton,'alluded to the stories in circulation that several persons had been killed on their way through the ordinances, and that men and women were stripped naked here. Joseph [Smith] said that for men and women to hold their tongues, was their salvation."

Very Entertaining, even for Mormons.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#17050 Oct 9, 2012
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow....how sad, u agree with a man who says masturbation is satanic and causes less conversions.
The Bible says absolutely nothing against masturbation. Just wanted to throw that in. It's sad when a church tries to put fear in it's children over touching themselves, making them feel unclean and dirty when they are doing nothing wrong. That is one reason many consider Mormonism a cult.
Dirtbag Romney

Portland, OR

#17051 Oct 9, 2012
Gladiator76 wrote:
Gold statues on temples. God said not to worship false idols. The moroni stuff is BS. Name one city in the book of mormon that is on google maps.
The Church of Scumbag Romney says that Jesus Christ will rise YET AGAIN - third time a charm - in Independence, MO home to Truman of the A Bomb fame.

Yep, Dirtbag Romney, the face and heart and soul and brain of Mormon is a lying piece of anti-American filth.
Dirtbag Romney

Portland, OR

#17052 Oct 9, 2012
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw the same speech. He did not say their opinions were wrong. He said those children are at a disadvantage by not having two, male and female, parents to bring them up. He also said we will not know the long term effects until the future to find out how children are raised by same sex parents. There was nothing disparaging in his comments. That being said, I'm glad you watched. However, it seems not without bias like I had suggested.
DirtbagRomney, the face, heart, soul and brain of Mormon threatened to excommunicate a single mother if she did not give up her baby for reassignment to a Mormon couple.

Pure NaziRomney.

Since: Sep 12

West Plains, MO

#17053 Oct 9, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>To be fair, I haven't either, though there could be one in the temple Presidents office in case someone becomes ill. That has happened. A lot of senior citizens go through the temple.

But there was rumors of beds being in the endowment house in the early days when polygamy was still being hidden. I know I have read of dances being held in the temple at those times also. I have a picture of a spittoon in the SL temple that was taken in the 1800's, so there use to be tobacco chewing there.

How much do you suppose goes annually from this Territory, and has for ten or twelve years past, in gold and silver, to supply the people with tobacco? I will say $60,000. Brother William H. Hooper, our Delegate in Congress, came here in 1849, and during about eight years he was selling goods his sales for tobacco alone amounted to over $28,000 a year. At the same time there were other stores that sold their share and drew their share of the money expended yearly, besides what has been brought in by the keg and by the half keg. The traders and passing emigration have sold tons of tobacco, besides what is sold here regularly. I say that $60,000 annually is the smallest figure I can estimate the sales at. Tobacco can be raised here as well as it can be raised in any other place. It wants attention and care. If we use it, let us raise it here. I recommend for some man to go to raising tobacco. One man, who came here last fall, is going to do so; and if he is diligent, he will raise quite a quantity. I want to see some man go to and make a business of raising tobacco and stop sending money out of the Territory for that article.(Journal of Discourses, Vol.9, p.35, Brigham Young, April 7, 1861)

Here is another picture of a spittoon in the temple that is different from the one I've seen: http://www.mormondoctrine.net/images/Celestia...
True. I will agree that it possible. However, I've been in the Temple Presidents office in the Provo Temple and I can say there was no bed in there. Just his desk and some furniture. I would think if an elderly person became ill, they would dial 911.:-) btw- cool pic!

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#17054 Oct 9, 2012
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
??? I said the Church has always been opposed to sexual activity outside of marriage, and that's what you came back with??? Pathetic as usual, NoHo.
Do u agree with (then) mission president Allan Pratt or not?
his words, not mine..oh, btw, u do realize its the same Allan Pratt( now stake president) who is behind the ex-communication of David Twede?...ur cult needs to ex Allan Pratt, or at the very least remove him from leadership.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#17055 Oct 9, 2012
Gladiator76 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have read that mormons once used wine in sacraments until it got too expensive. Then GOD told smith that it was bad for them. THere is just too many changes in the religion and everyone gets confused.
They used whiskey in the Kirtland temple. A lot of it!

Since: Sep 12

West Plains, MO

#17056 Oct 9, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible says absolutely nothing against masturbation. Just wanted to throw that in. It's sad when a church tries to put fear in it's children over touching themselves, making them feel unclean and dirty when they are doing nothing wrong. That is one reason many consider Mormonism a cult.
In all fairness, I do not know of any church which condones sexual activity outside the bond of marriage, nor any that condone masturbation.

Since: Sep 12

West Plains, MO

#17057 Oct 9, 2012
Dirtbag Romney wrote:
<quoted text>The Church of Scumbag Romney says that Jesus Christ will rise YET AGAIN - third time a charm - in Independence, MO home to Truman of the A Bomb fame.

Yep, Dirtbag Romney, the face and heart and soul and brain of Mormon is a lying piece of anti-American filth.
Looks and sounds just like "Sux" to me. Or could be Sux's significant other.

Since: Sep 12

West Plains, MO

#17058 Oct 9, 2012
Dirtbag Romney wrote:
<quoted text>DirtbagRomney, the face, heart, soul and brain of Mormon threatened to excommunicate a single mother if she did not give up her baby for reassignment to a Mormon couple.

Pure NaziRomney.
Yep. Definitely Sux alright. Pure hype.
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#17059 Oct 9, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
To be fair, I haven't either, though there could be one in the temple Presidents office in case someone becomes ill. That has happened. A lot of senior citizens go through the temple.
But there was rumors of beds being in the endowment house in the early days when polygamy was still being hidden. I know I have read of dances being held in the temple at those times also. I have a picture of a spittoon in the SL temple that was taken in the 1800's, so there use to be tobacco chewing there.
How much do you suppose goes annually from this Territory, and has for ten or twelve years past, in gold and silver, to supply the people with tobacco? I will say $60,000. Brother William H. Hooper, our Delegate in Congress, came here in 1849, and during about eight years he was selling goods his sales for tobacco alone amounted to over $28,000 a year. At the same time there were other stores that sold their share and drew their share of the money expended yearly, besides what has been brought in by the keg and by the half keg. The traders and passing emigration have sold tons of tobacco, besides what is sold here regularly. I say that $60,000 annually is the smallest figure I can estimate the sales at. Tobacco can be raised here as well as it can be raised in any other place. It wants attention and care. If we use it, let us raise it here. I recommend for some man to go to raising tobacco. One man, who came here last fall, is going to do so; and if he is diligent, he will raise quite a quantity. I want to see some man go to and make a business of raising tobacco and stop sending money out of the Territory for that article.(Journal of Discourses, Vol.9, p.35, Brigham Young, April 7, 1861)
Here is another picture of a spittoon in the temple that is different from the one I've seen: http://www.mormondoctrine.net/images/Celestia...
The strange thing about what you do is, these are all TRIVIA FACTS of MORMONISM that nearly all devout Mormons not only are only mildly surprised, most get a pretty good kick out of it,

when QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPITTOONS ETC COME UP IN OUR MORMON HISTORY T.R.I.V.I.A. Games.

Bombast addicts act like trivia we think's GREAT STUFF,

ISN'T great stuff.

It's trying to psychologically trade in the forbidden to project a

sense of independence is what it is.

Those kinds of pictures are sold as N O V E L T Y POST CARDS around the American West/Mormon Trail R.V. Park / Steakhouse /Bed-Breakfast circuit.

What a nutter.

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