Two LAFD captains hop aboard the Tenn...

Two LAFD captains hop aboard the Tennie Pierce gravy train

There are 40 comments on the LA Daily News story from Mar 5, 2008, titled Two LAFD captains hop aboard the Tennie Pierce gravy train. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

One evening back in 2004, some sophomoric Los Angeles city firefighters secretly fed dog food to a fellow, equally sophomoric colleague.

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Colonial

West Covina, CA

#1 Mar 5, 2008
Spiritless defense by the City Attorney's contractor.
News Junky

Pasadena, CA

#2 Mar 5, 2008
Here's another great scam for union bureaucrats AND their managers:

You collude. See, you find a special interest group employee. You "harass" him/her in some small way. That person files a complaint and the managers don't act on it because it's too petty. Then that special interest person gets a shady employee and they file a lawsuit because they know the city won't fight it with any teeth and they'll get a multi-million dollar settlement. Now, they can either share this with the managers who failed to act if the managers aren't punished. But if the managers are punished, file another lawsuit and get millions more!!!! Rinse and repeat!!!! What a great way to pad already excellent retirements and make a few attornies rich!!!

Of course, if you're just a lowly taxpayer working to pay your taxes so that bureaucrats and politicians can continue this game of greed at the expense of service to the community and maintaining infrastructure --- this sucks a lot. But who cares about those slaves?
News Junky

Pasadena, CA

#3 Mar 5, 2008
The Patrick O'Connor cartoon of the fire hydrant pissed on by a dalmation readying to file a lawsuit against the taxpayers cracks me up!!
Joe Smith

San Bernardino, CA

#4 Mar 5, 2008
What a croc! Pierce should have gotten what he deserved - nothing. Playing "the race card" counted for nothing in this case. The LA jury who awarded him more than a single penny had no backbone.
LEGAL REPORTER

Van Nuys, CA

#5 Mar 5, 2008
The discipline for Captain Burton and Captain Tohill was recommended, reviewed and approved by 4 seperate Chief Officers, three who are caucasian. The Firefighter received a smaller suspension because he accepted full responsibility, and the incident was condoned by his supervisors, Burton and Tohill. Burton and Tohill get paid over $145,000 a year to manage their fire station, which they failed at miserably. Lets not forget who started this whole incredible mess, CAPTAIN TOHILL WHO PURCHASED THE DOG FOOD.

The LAFD was directed by the Mayors office and the City Council to discipline members of the Department who break the rules and regulations. The discipline meted out to all involved parties was in part predicated on the LA City Civil Service Guidelines for discipline.

Yes Supervisors are held to a higher level of responsibility then the firefighters, that comes with the responsibility of pinning the badge and collar insignia on of a Captain. The crew is a direct reflection of the officers that command them and in this case it is obvious the officers did not do their job and were subsequently rewarded by the jurors.
LEGAL REPORTER

Van Nuys, CA

#6 Mar 5, 2008
Colonial wrote:
Spiritless defense by the City Attorney's contractor.
Did you attend the trial? What do you base your comment on?
JUSTICE FOR ALL

AOL

#7 Mar 5, 2008
Legal reporter:
How about a discussion about the policies and procedures and the so-called "investigation" of this incident and others by Andrew Fox? That's the information that the jurors in the Burton/Tohil trial heard. And that's what the jurors will hear in the upcoming trials. An incomplete accounting of what transpired leads to sham justice... and that's what the LAFD dishes out.
Whatever

United States

#8 Mar 6, 2008
Maybe you morons at the DN should do a little fact-checking before you rush to print - the City Attorney didn't defend the City. Small thing. But I wonder what else you got wrong.
Whatever

United States

#9 Mar 6, 2008
Legal Reporter,
I attended the trial. The City Atty. didn't defend the City. Colonial was making a distinction.
Denots

Waianae, HI

#10 Mar 6, 2008
I guess these two captains want to fill tennie's shoes.., or should I say: Paw." Woof Woof. this prank is the ultimate burn.
To Legal Reporter

Spring Valley, CA

#11 Mar 6, 2008
To Legal Reporter: You say "The LAFD was directed by the Mayor's office and the City Council to discipline members of the Department who break the rules and regulations." While that is true, the problem with LAFD management, both PAST AND PRESENT (i.e., Bamattre and Barry), is that the discipline being meted out by the LAFD is arbitrary, inconsistent, and unfair. And untrained officers are still involved. This is why the lawsuits, settlements and jury awards will continue. Time will tell who's right on this.
LEGAL REPORTER

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Mar 7, 2008
JUSTICE FOR ALL wrote:
Legal reporter:
How about a discussion about the policies and procedures and the so-called "investigation" of this incident and others by Andrew Fox? That's the information that the jurors in the Burton/Tohil trial heard. And that's what the jurors will hear in the upcoming trials. An incomplete accounting of what transpired leads to sham justice... and that's what the LAFD dishes out.
Everyone invovled in this incident wrote a letter documenting their involvement. Burton and Tohill admitted to their wrongdoing. No need for a costly investigation costing the taxpayers more money when the guilty parties confess.
LEGAL REPORTER

Los Angeles, CA

#13 Mar 7, 2008
To Legal Reporter wrote:
To Legal Reporter: You say "The LAFD was directed by the Mayor's office and the City Council to discipline members of the Department who break the rules and regulations." While that is true, the problem with LAFD management, both PAST AND PRESENT (i.e., Bamattre and Barry), is that the discipline being meted out by the LAFD is arbitrary, inconsistent, and unfair. And untrained officers are still involved. This is why the lawsuits, settlements and jury awards will continue. Time will tell who's right on this.
Burton and Tohill confessed to screwing up. The City Civil Service Guidelines and past discipline history/practices were used to create the discipline as testified to at trial. This post is obviously from someone who has been disciplined by the LAFD for also screwing up. Funny how it is alway the person who gets disciplined who alway thinks their punishment is unfair. Burton and Tohill were supervisors and should have done their job. Their ineptitude has cost the city millions. They do not deserve to wear the badge of Captain. ITS REAL
SIMPLE. DONT BREAK THE RULES, DO YOUR JOB AND YOU
WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE SO CALLED UNFAIR AND UNJUST DISCIPLINE.
LEGAL REPORTER

Los Angeles, CA

#14 Mar 7, 2008
JUSTICE FOR ALL wrote:
Legal reporter:
How about a discussion about the policies and procedures and the so-called "investigation" of this incident and others by Andrew Fox? That's the information that the jurors in the Burton/Tohil trial heard. And that's what the jurors will hear in the upcoming trials. An incomplete accounting of what transpired leads to sham justice... and that's what the LAFD dishes out.
DO YOUR JOB, DONT BREAK THE RULES AND YOU WONT
HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SO CALLED SHAM JUSTICE.
LEGAL REPORTER

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Mar 7, 2008
Whatever wrote:
Legal Reporter,
I attended the trial. The City Atty. didn't defend the City. Colonial was making a distinction.
I was asking why he thought it was a spiritless defense?
Colonial

West Covina, CA

#16 Mar 7, 2008
Certain dynamics and sessions of the defense for the city could politely be termed "The empty set."
LEGAL REPORTER

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Mar 7, 2008
Could you be more cryptic? "dynamics and sessions", "empty st". Could you translate for me? No need to be polite

Thanks
CURIOUS

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Mar 7, 2008
Colonial wrote:
Certain dynamics and sessions of the defense for the city could politely be termed "The empty set."
I dont understand what you are trying to say. What dynamics and sessions are you referring to, and what do you mean by empty set?

THANKS
To Legal Reporter

AOL

#19 Mar 7, 2008
To Legal Reporter: You just don't get it. You say, "DO YOUR JOB, DONT BREAK THE RULES AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SO CALLED SHAM JUSTICE." It's obvious that you aren't familiar with the biased disciplinary process of the LAFD. Some members who don't do their job and break the rules are never punished. For example, chief officers who haven't completed a performance evaluation for a subordinate in years(they are required to do this once a year), are charged with NOTHING, punished not at all. This is just one example of a notorious double standard. They aren't doing their job, and they are breaking the rules. Ever heard of "volume 7"? It's a big joke in the LAFD - supposedly a list of double standards. Ha ha... Volume 7 doesn't exist, but it's referred to all the time... "Oh, chief must be referring to Volume 7." Members will know what I'm talking about. You may be a legal reporter, but you don't know beans about the real goings on in the LAFD.
Zapped

West Covina, CA

#20 Mar 7, 2008
Jackson Lewis should cut bait charging the city hourly for the appeal and just write book 91.

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