What does religious freedom mean?

What does religious freedom mean?

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downhill246

Delray Beach, FL

#485 Sep 4, 2012
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>No, I'm saying that the Website you posted is not the Page that you Plagiarized your cut and paste from....
The "nephew" of Adolph Hitler is hardly a prominent, UNBIASED Historical Scholar.
National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity. The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord.
It is estimated that of Germany's 17,000 Protestant pastors, about 3,000 are dedicated enough to actually join the German Christian movement. How many others support the movement in other ways is unknown.
http://skepticism.org/timeline/august-history...
Ouch!
But skepticism.org is an UNBIASED source, right?. You can tell from the name of the link. LOL

3,000 out of 17,000 is 18 percent meaning 82 percent of Protestant pastors did not join the movement.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#486 Sep 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because a nation decides it is their 'right' to kill Jews doesn't make it an actual 'right'.
Actually, until others stepped in to put an end to it, yes it did. The fact that it went against the Moral Code of others and they stepped in to put an end to it is the entire point. If the Nazi had won they would STILL be killing Jews, homosexuals, blacks and all other so called "inferior" races without anyone to stop them.
downhill246 wrote:
As I have pointed out, if it is the right of nations to determine their own moral code by whim, which seems to be your argument, how can you say the killing of Jews was wrong?
By the right to determine my own moral code.
downhill246 wrote:
The nazis did what you said they had a right to do, define their own moral code, which just happened to include killing Jews, and according to them, for the betterment of all mankind. What criteria are you using to define right and wrong? You have no justification to condemn their actions other than saying you feel those actions were wrong.
I don't need any Justification.
downhill246 wrote:
Remember, If you believe that it's wrong to torture babies for fun, and you believe that that rule applies to everyone, despite your arguments to the contrary, you are promoting a world wide moral absolute.
No actually that would be YOU attempting to imply a worldwide absolute based on your Religious ideas(and using reductio ad absurdum to try and do it). My beliefs are those which I apply to myself in my manner of Conduct. If someone is doing something that is in my eyes wrong, I may or may not try to stop them, I may be unable to stop them, or I may try to convince them that my viewpoint is right. That says absolutely nothing as to whether my viewpoint is actually right, it merely states that I believe it to be so. The greatest majority of Laws/morals comes from the consensus of the people in a given area with regards to personal actions, while some may base that opinion upon their religious belief, others do not but that does not make those "opinions" based upon Religious Belief "more right" than those who have come to a similar conclusion without Religious Belief playing a role in the conclusion. IF, as you try to claim, there are 'God Given' rights, those rights would not only exist, but be recognized across the Planet in EVERY single civilization that exists without question. They don't exist. The only Rights which exist are those which the local Civilization/Society recognize by consensus and are eventually Codified into law.
You are too easy.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#487 Sep 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
But skepticism.org is an UNBIASED source, right?. You can tell from the name of the link. LOL
3,000 out of 17,000 is 18 percent meaning 82 percent of Protestant pastors did not join the movement.
And that's the lie you'd enjoy trying to tell. The actual statement was that the 3000 believed strongly enough to join outright, it is unknown how many supported the movement in other ways( I believe the term usually used for such non-members is sympathizers).
Perhaps learning to read and comprehend the material would prevent you from looking the fool next time.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#488 Sep 4, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because a nation decides it is their 'right' to kill Jews doesn't make it an actual 'right'. As I have pointed out, if it is the right of nations to determine their own moral code by whim, which seems to be your argument, how can you say the killing of Jews was wrong? The nazis did what you said they had a right to do, define their own moral code, which just happened to include killing Jews, and according to them, for the betterment of all mankind. What criteria are you using to define right and wrong? You have no justification to condemn their actions other than saying you feel those actions were wrong.
Remember, If you believe that it's wrong to torture babies for fun, and you believe that that rule applies to everyone, despite your arguments to the contrary, you are promoting a world wide moral absolute.
I don't think it's any religion's "right" to kill anyone - do any of them actually claim that?

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#489 Sep 4, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think it's any religion's "right" to kill anyone - do any of them actually claim that?
In the Bible, the citizens of Jericho were killed down to the last man, 1000 Philistines were Killed by Sampson with the Jawbone of an Ass.... There's tons of killing in the Bible by supposed Divine Right.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#490 Sep 4, 2012
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>In the Bible, the citizens of Jericho were killed down to the last man, 1000 Philistines were Killed by Sampson with the Jawbone of an Ass.... There's tons of killing in the Bible by supposed Divine Right.
How awful!

Thanks for your answer though.
SHYKORA ARTs paul

Calgary, Canada

#491 Sep 5, 2012
...FREEDOM...Starts within ..oneself...first...eh..
Imhotep

Orlando, FL

#492 Sep 5, 2012
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, until others stepped in to put an end to it, yes it did. The fact that it went against the Moral Code of others and they stepped in to put an end to it is the entire point. If the Nazi had won they would STILL be killing Jews, homosexuals, blacks and all other so called "inferior" races without anyone to stop them.<quoted text>By the right to determine my own moral code.<quoted text>I don't need any Justification.<quoted text>No actually that would be YOU attempting to imply a worldwide absolute based on your Religious ideas(and using reductio ad absurdum to try and do it). My beliefs are those which I apply to myself in my manner of Conduct. If someone is doing something that is in my eyes wrong, I may or may not try to stop them, I may be unable to stop them, or I may try to convince them that my viewpoint is right. That says absolutely nothing as to whether my viewpoint is actually right, it merely states that I believe it to be so. The greatest majority of Laws/morals comes from the consensus of the people in a given area with regards to personal actions, while some may base that opinion upon their religious belief, others do not but that does not make those "opinions" based upon Religious Belief "more right" than those who have come to a similar conclusion without Religious Belief playing a role in the conclusion. IF, as you try to claim, there are 'God Given' rights, those rights would not only exist, but be recognized across the Planet in EVERY single civilization that exists without question. They don't exist. The only Rights which exist are those which the local Civilization/Society recognize by consensus and are eventually Codified into law.
You are too easy.
Yes indeed. Easy

Our belief is not a belief.
Our principles are not a faith.
We do not rely soley upon science and reason, because these are necessary rather than sufficient factors, but we distrust anything that contradicts science or outrages reason.
We may differ on many things, but what we respect is free inquiry, openmindedness, and the pursuit of ideas for their own sake.

Religion is:

“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.”
~Christopher Hitchens

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#493 Sep 11, 2012
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, until others stepped in to put an end to it, yes it did. The fact that it went against the Moral Code of others and they stepped in to put an end to it is the entire point. If the Nazi had won they would STILL be killing Jews, homosexuals, blacks and all other so called "inferior" races without anyone to stop them.<quoted text>By the right to determine my own moral code.<quoted text>I don't need any Justification.<quoted text>No actually that would be YOU attempting to imply a worldwide absolute based on your Religious ideas(and using reductio ad absurdum to try and do it). My beliefs are those which I apply to myself in my manner of Conduct. If someone is doing something that is in my eyes wrong, I may or may not try to stop them, I may be unable to stop them, or I may try to convince them that my viewpoint is right. That says absolutely nothing as to whether my viewpoint is actually right, it merely states that I believe it to be so. The greatest majority of Laws/morals comes from the consensus of the people in a given area with regards to personal actions, while some may base that opinion upon their religious belief, others do not but that does not make those "opinions" based upon Religious Belief "more right" than those who have come to a similar conclusion without Religious Belief playing a role in the conclusion. IF, as you try to claim, there are 'God Given' rights, those rights would not only exist, but be recognized across the Planet in EVERY single civilization that exists without question. They don't exist. The only Rights which exist are those which the local Civilization/Society recognize by consensus and are eventually Codified into law.
You are too easy.
This is one of the best responses I've seen to the question of morals. Well said.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#494 Sep 11, 2012
Religous freedom means you can have any religion or none at all as you want...AND THAT NON RELIGION CAN BE MADE INTO LAW....
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#495 Sep 11, 2012
And yet that now religion is minimized. And it is, we are near economic collapse and a national police state. Yes I see your points. From religious imperfection to secular infestation leading to exterminations. Job well done.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#497 Sep 11, 2012
serfs up wrote:
And yet that now religion is minimized. And it is, we are near economic collapse and a national police state. Yes I see your points. From religious imperfection to secular infestation leading to exterminations. Job well done.
There are no "secular infestations leading to exterminations" at all, that's merely propaganda.
Been There Seen That

Asheville, NC

#498 Sep 11, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
Religous freedom means you can have any religion or none at all as you want...AND THAT NON RELIGION CAN BE MADE INTO LAW....
That is a good paraphrase of the First Amendment religion clauses, which say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The First Amendment is now enforced against the states and their subdivisions pursuant to the terms of the 14th Amendment.
Been There Seen That

Asheville, NC

#499 Sep 11, 2012
serfs up wrote:
And yet that now religion is minimized. And it is, we are near economic collapse and a national police state. Yes I see your points. From religious imperfection to secular infestation leading to exterminations. Job well done.
That's a wacky statement if I ever read one. If religion is dying or diminishing in the USA it is because Americans are beginning to understand that much of it is a cynical means of control by dumbing people down with superstition and holding them in fear. Fear is not the beginnings of wisdom; fear is the beginnings of ignorance and stupidity.

If religion is to survive it doesn't need the state to foster it. It cannot enlist the state to proclaim itself and if it does, that violates the Establishment Clause.

And while I'm thinking about it, the Founders took care to ward religion away from government and erect a wall of separation between the church and the state. The reason for it is that they were aware of so many "police states" which were enemies of the freedoms enumerated and guaranteed in our Constitution.

While a secular state does not guarantee the Constitutional republic we enjoy, the lessons of the Third Reich inform us that Christianity does not guarantee freedom either.
ALICIA BANKS

Little Rock, AR

#500 Sep 15, 2012
it should mean cerebral and independent sanity and avoidance of all religion

all religions are created by inhumane men
who rule all holy evil church sheeple

shame

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“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#501 Sep 15, 2012
ALICIA BANKS wrote:
it should mean cerebral and independent sanity and avoidance of all religion
all religions are created by inhumane men
who rule all holy evil church sheeple
shame
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Not true there either. You may want to rethink those definitions, there are other Legitimate religions which were not created to "rule" others at all. Buddhism and Wicca come to mind as prime examples.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#502 Sep 15, 2012
----RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS THE FREEDOM OF FAITH.----

ATTENTION:----FORGET ABOUT the POLLS RIGHT NOW, FOR YOU HAVE NOT BEEN POLLED. Or just bring up the polls for Romney then if they have not been reflected among all, in order to show that is true.

TOPIC:__YOU ARE TO ELECT THE NEW COUPLE--ROMNEY AND RYAN TO BE IN THE W. H., BUT TO DUMP THE OLD, ODD COUPLE, OBAMA AND BIDEN.
OBAMA AND BIDEN HAVE DONE ALL DAMAGES.

RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS THE FREEDOM OF your FAITH.

It is the critical time for all of you.

WILL YOU SAY YOU CAN?
WILL YOU SAY YOU CAN DO AND DO THAT?

Demonstrate that you can.
Demonstrate that you do.

YOU ARE TO KNOW THE MEANING OF PURPOSE OF LIFE.
PERHAPS YOU NEVER KNOW THE MEANING OF LIFE, BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW THE PURPOSE OF YOUR LIFE AND THE FUTURE.

Know the will of God.
And do it according to the founding foundation of Christian FAITH and NEW FUTURE and PROCEEDINGS OF THE NEW AGE PLANET.

Show that you are all aware of what is going on.
OBAMA HAS NOT DONE ANY ECONOMIC RECOVERY AND SECURITY , BUT HAS done destruction and has DRAGGED DOWN EVERYTHING,INCLUDING THAT ON WORLD STAGE.

-----Do it before time is running out.
Do it to your way of life that would be real and true.
=====People, Ask what you can tell, and ask what you do that is right : It is determined to fire Obama--(NOT JFK SAYING).
=====You must know that you are not in the elegant way any more,like that used to be, for Obama has degraded the power of policies inside boundary and around the globe.
=====You do not have a crystal ball to look for the future, but you should be prepared to know all real facts, that Obama no good.

SUBJECT:::_______Obama would say anything and WOULD do as well, to just get himself fired in a democracy, because people are not stupid, and are the politics as well, in a free country.

KNOW THAT IS THE ONLY BETTER THING TO DO.

Make it happen before it is too late.

GET TO DO FOR ALL THAT YOU MUST DO.

(NOT JFK SAYING)--People, Ask what you can do , and ask you do that right and accordingly: You are to fire Obama!

The planet is full of complexity and sentiments anti you since Obama has made it that way for many people to be just against you people.

Here is just to communicate to you that you make it happen to fire Obama.

Only by doing that, your life can only be just and then you can know the meaning of life from then on.

YOU ARE TO MAKE THAT CRITICAL TIME RESOLVED TO MOVE ON TOWARD THE FUTURE,SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT ARE AS FORWARD.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#503 Sep 15, 2012
JBH wrote:
----RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IS THE FREEDOM OF
Lies and Propaganda.
The Oracle

UK

#504 Sep 17, 2012
There is no such thing as religious freedom. Religion in any and all of its thousands of manifestations is intellectual bondage.

The only 'free' humans are those who live their lives outside the bondage restraints imposed by religions.

Religions are entirely founded on wars and deviant sexual practice.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#505 Sep 17, 2012
The Oracle wrote:
There is no such thing as religious freedom. Religion in any and all of its thousands of manifestations is intellectual bondage.
The only 'free' humans are those who live their lives outside the bondage restraints imposed by religions.
Religions are entirely founded on wars and deviant sexual practice.
YEP......Religion is one of the banes on humanity...

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