Speak out, Catholics

Full story: Vallejo Times-Herald

I am disturbed to learn that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is attempting to mobilize Catholics for a "Fortnight for Freedom" to prevent the HHS mandate in the Affordable Care Act.

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Mary Moskowitz

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As Catholics we should be supporting the USCCB because this is very much a religious liberty issue. The Obama administration has done nothing to work with the Bishops on any compromise despite the Bishops reaching out to this administration. It is the administration that has politicized the HHS Mandate, and not the Bishops. Cardinal Dolan was shocked when he learned of the HHS Mandate and Mr. Obama's remark that Catholic institutions would have a year to comply to which Cardinal Dolan responded, "you mean a year to violate our conscience?"

If we are serious Catholics we believe that contraception, sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs are sinful and we must do everything to protect that belief from being compromised in Catholic institutions. Anyone is able to get birth control at no cost or low cost and the Catholic Church is not advocating a ban on any of these. When the government begins demanding a religious institution violate its conscience it is time for all Catholics to rally around the USCCB.

The HHS Mandate is an egregious mandate aimed at the Catholic Church and we must not permit this to stand. The sex abuse issue has nothing to o with this issue and I really wish people would stop interjecting it into every Catholic discussion.
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Mr. Joe Rega,
I agree with your headline - but almost nothing else.
Catholicism isn't something that bends to negotiation, to popularity contests, the wishes of the people, or presidential dictates. So if 99% of Roman Catholics disagree with what is dogma, it doesn't matter a whit.

This now for all those Roman Catholics that care to listen - Contraception in any form is a grave mortal sin. Period. No exceptions.

Read Ginsburg's opinions from last Thursday's ruling if you want a preview of what's going to happen to the HHS Mandate. The Catholic Church isn't trying to take your prophylactics away - this especially for all those of you who like the HHS think that pregnancy is a disease. The Catholic Church isn't trying to impose its will on the Government or the People of our country. Yes, the Catholic Church has an opinion on whether using any of these is a grave mortal sin, which it is. But, in spite of that, the Church isn't trying to impose its will on anyone.

On the contrary, the Government via the HHS Mandate is trying to impose its definition of religion on the Church. The largest number of law suits on any one issue to date have been filed on this issue and not one of those cases are trying to impose the Church's will on anyone.

Now for all of you that are so pathetically uneducated about this issue. Consider this hypothetical - if I as an entrepreneur wish to buy an Insurance Policy that does not cover contraceptives, sterilization or abortifacients and if I find a Insurance Company that is willing to sell me such a policy to cover my employees - why should I be prevented from buying such a policy? Why is the Government so intent to take away my rights on how I run my business? Now consider this too, the HHS by its own admission has agreed that Insurance Companies are willing to provide contraception, abortifacients, and sterilization at their "own expense". Okay. Why then is the Government so hell bent on forcing the issue? A free market solution here is that Insurance Companies that care to treat pregnancy as a disease that cuts into their bottom line will happily provide that feature in their policies - gratis. Those that wish to live by their conscience can buy policies that do not offer these features in their plans. Let the market decide this. Why is the Government so intent on forcing the issue?
Now take the concerns of the Bishops into this perspective. Further if you are a Jew or a Muslim or Buddhist let alone a Christian consider this - if the Government can define what you can and cannot believe in - what else can it do? The slippery slope from re-definitions of religious beliefs by our "well-meaning" leaders to totalitarianism isn't a hypothetical. It is a very real threat. As for the comparison with the various scandals of the Church. It is at best a false analogy. I would like yourself love to see speedier justice wrought on those that have abused their positions in the Church. Everyone one, including the Church, agrees that the abuse that has been brought on many innocent Children shouldn't go unpunished. Similarly, on the HHS Mandate, the Church is taking that stance that is in line with Catholic teaching for 2000 years. So it is a false analogy to compare the abuse scandal (which is wrong) with speaking out against the HHS Mandate. If the claim is that the Church is full of sinners - then a resounding Yes - Guilty as Charged. Yes it is full of sinners. That's who Christ came for - sinners. If only Angels and Saints can speak on what is morally wrong - then no human should ever rise up against injustice and evil. That is just silly.

This affront to the First Amendment will not Stand.

You Mr. Rego are unconscionably wrong except on one thing, that Catholics everywhere do need to speak out - only it is against the HHS Mandate and in support of Religious Liberty as guaranteed by the First Amendment.

In Christ
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.....TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..Lo ng...No one read's it..!!!,here...eh..simple answer...I's choose for me self....eh...(+)..
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Contraception already is very affordable. A person without insurance can purchase a month's supply for $9 at Target. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dc-target...
That idea that contraception is unaffordable or difficult to obtain is a fallacy, as is the presumption that it is necessary or good for health. I am a 22 year old woman who has been free of contraception and abstinent all my life, and I am much healthier than any woman participating in sex. Every credible medical department, including the CDC, always lists abstinence as the number one means of avoiding the spread of STDs and AIDS. It's a scientifically proven face. So I practice that because it's what's necessary for me to remain risk free. It is not easy, but neither is forcing myself to spend an hour at the gym everyday, but I do it because it's good for my health.
The USCCB has made a very strong effort to compromise with the government. The USCCB believes that Obama has very good intentions in his actions. They do not believe the President is evil. The USCCB has not mentioned or backed any sort of candidate. The USCCB has said that they do not wish to discourage people from voting for Obama in November. So I have to wonder what you're talking about when you say that the USCCB is not approaching this peacefully. The media is making this political, not the Church. Remember, they did not ask for this. They don't relish it either. The USCCB was led to believe that with the health care reform, their religious freedoms would be protected. Obama said that to Cardinal Dolan. He said he would not force the Church to act against its moral conscience because Obama respects the Church. The USCCB is in agreement on health care reform. They believe that if other businesses wish to provide full coverage for contraception, sterilizations, and abortificients, then they have a right to that. All that the bishops wish for is a broader religious exemption that would allow organization to perform their mission fully in accordance to our doctrines. In other words, people have a right to make the decision for themselves whetehr they want to use contraception or not, but people like me also have a right to be free from that person's decisions, especially when it's such a controversial matter. When you make that decision, you need to accept that it's going to cost money. You say you have a right to affordable contraception, but you don't. The fact that there is affordable contraception already out there is a blessing for you, because that right is not guaranteed. We have the right to purchase and use certain things, but it's not the job of our government to tax the rest of the population so you can get what you want. Medicine costs money. Which is again, why I would promote practicing abstinence, because not only am I healthier and far more risk free than the average American woman, I also save money by not having to purchase contraception. And, that's just stupid that I'm making this medical decision for myself that is completed support and justified by the CDC, but I'm going to pay for other people to up their risk factors by engaging in sex. I would rather my money go to providing affordable cancer treatments and disability services than to allow some woman at Georgetown to romp around in the sack.
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If you don't believe that contraception is intrisically evil, and you believe that the Church is wrong, then congratulations, you're not Catholic. Because as a Catholic, whenever I have disagreed with the Church on an important issue, I have done everything I can to understand their position on that issue. I read articles and books and talk to priests and listen to radio programs. Due to the amount of misinformation you present in this article, I'm not convinced that you have done those things. It's not too late. I also don't believe you understand the role of Bishops or the role of the Church. Please, pick up a Catechism, and reacquaint yourself with the Catholic faith. if not, find another Church that shares your views. No one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to stay here. There are plenty of other faiths out there that agree with you. But in the Catholic Church, if you, a common layman, think that your personal opinion is above that of our bishops and priests who spend years in seminary studying Scripture and Church doctrine, if you think that your opinion is right as opposed to these men who we believe are ordained by God to serve in their positions, who sacrifice having a wife and children in order that they may fully serve us, the laypeople, then you really need to consider your membership here, your level of faith in the Church, and your level of pride. The Church does not accept majority opinions. Statistics say 90% of Catholics use contraception regularly. Well, 100% of Catholics also sin regularly, but that doesn't mean that Church should accept sin. A majority of Catholics supported slavery hundreds of years ago and when Pope Gregory XVI condemned it, many Catholics disagreed with the Church because having slaves was easier, more economic. Would you say that they were right, and that they should have had a say in what the Church practiced? Jesus did not do things that many people did. Jesus was counter cultural. He was not of this world, he was above it. In the same way, we are called to be above it. I know you have good intentions and I used to hold the position you do before I really started researching the issue and seeing the damage contraception causes to society. I recommend you read Humana Vitae, and watch this video explaining a Catholic woman's perspective on contraception as an attack on women for being fertile. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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And you are definitely not alone in this. There are millions of Catholics who back the bishops because the bishops are in the person of Christ, and Christ calls us to obedience with them. The Catholics who are backing them are remaining true to their Catholic vocation, the vocation Christ seeks of his laity. That doesn't mean that he calls us to follow blindly, but we are not blind. We have read and researched Church teaching and spoken with priests and prayed to God so, of course we understand the Church. And if anyone is a Catholic who is at odds with the Church, then they are acting as Martin Luther was and not as people like St. Thomas More were. That doesn't mean they're evil, but it does mean that their actions do not reflect what Catholic belief holds and they don't know the faith as well as they could. This isn't the writer's fault, of course. I mean, the priest cannot possibly teach us all that we believe in a few homilies. I really had to go out of my way to study the faith. It's a sacrifice, but my faith is important to me and if I'm going to subscribe to a faith, I'm not going to follow blindly without understanding or reading anything. I'm going to do everything I can to know my faith. If you attack the bishops, than you are attacking Christ who ordains them to serve, and you are disrespecting their authority. Since God speaks through them and teaches us through them, you are at odds with Christ himself, and you need to do everything you need to do to fix that, to understand Christ's teaching, to unite with the Church instead of turning against it. To incite fellow Catholics to revolt against the Holy Church and the apostolic order established by Christ is a very grave matter that the writer needs to discuss with a priest.

From the Catechism:

"The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are "authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice."

&#8206;"Hence the Church teaches that 'the bishops have by divine institution taken the place of the apostles as pastors of the Church, in such wise that whoever listens to them is listening to Christ and whoever despises them despises Christ and him who sent Christ."
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..much toooooooooooooo long ..no one reads it,here.....eh...the GOOD /bad Church..has MANY Issues,here....but the HEART comes first...eh...(+)...yada u u..$$$..shalom...
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...IN SIMPLE ...short words,here......Catholic Person's....Speak-OUT.....eh.. .(+)...
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..SHORT Tracks....works,here....people then,..listen and read it...eh..(+)...
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so the bishops and pope declare themselves the highest authority, and anyone who disagrees with them is not catholic

how convenient

by the way, for most of its existence, the church of rome allowed priests to marry. now that is absolutely not allowed. did god change his mind?

the bishops aided and abetted child rape, with the avid support of pope john paul ii and benedict, they are not qualified to teach morality.
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pfcratzinger wrote:
so the bishops and pope declare themselves the highest authority, and anyone who disagrees with them is not catholic
how convenient
by the way, for most of its existence, the church of rome allowed priests to marry. now that is absolutely not allowed. did god change his mind?
the bishops aided and abetted child rape, with the avid support of pope john paul ii and benedict, they are not qualified to teach morality.
....who...WHO..is paying ..$$$ for you's lunch,here..???....eh..
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I agree with Paul, way to long statements here. short and sweet is best.
still have difficulty in reciting revised Creed, etc. Got the "With Your Spirit" down.

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Mary Moskowitz wrote:
As Catholics we should be supporting the USCCB because this is very much a religious liberty issue. The Obama administration has done nothing to work with the Bishops on any compromise despite the Bishops reaching out to this administration. It is the administration that has politicized the HHS Mandate, and not the Bishops. Cardinal Dolan was shocked when he learned of the HHS Mandate and Mr. Obama's remark that Catholic institutions would have a year to comply to which Cardinal Dolan responded, "you mean a year to violate our conscience?"
If we are serious Catholics we believe that contraception, sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs are sinful and we must do everything to protect that belief from being compromised in Catholic institutions. Anyone is able to get birth control at no cost or low cost and the Catholic Church is not advocating a ban on any of these. When the government begins demanding a religious institution violate its conscience it is time for all Catholics to rally around the USCCB.
The HHS Mandate is an egregious mandate aimed at the Catholic Church and we must not permit this to stand. The sex abuse issue has nothing to o with this issue and I really wish people would stop interjecting it into every Catholic discussion.
Just curious - why has there been only ONE Catholic President (Kennedy)? I remember the protests at the time. but Kennedy said "My church does not speak for me." I'm willing to bet nearly ALL Catholics felt obligated to vote for him. I was a little too young to vote then, but I loved him. I don't think we've had a great president like him since, and Jackie Kennedy was the epitome of the perfect First Lady. There hasn't been a Jewish President either - why not? Religion shouldn't be part of politics. But it sure is - the pope will NOT allow any of his flock to vote for a pro-choice leader. I don't happen to like abortion either but I feel I don't have the right to order others how to vote.
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No one is being forced to use artificial contraception against their will. What’s the difference if an employee uses the money paid as wages by the employer to purchase contraception or the insurance paid for by the employer to purchase contraception? In either case the employer pays and the employee chooses.
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Catholic Girl wrote:
I agree with Paul, way to long statements here. short and sweet is best.
still have difficulty in reciting revised Creed, etc. Got the "With Your Spirit" down.
..YES...Dear...Sister...
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Mary and An Anonymous Fool
are correct in their postings. good going folks, keep up the good work. just not so long next time.
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Catholic Girl wrote:
Mary and An Anonymous Fool
are correct in their postings. good going folks, keep up the good work. just not so long next time.
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Mary Pooler wrote:
And you are definitely not alone in this. There are millions of Catholics who back the bishops because the bishops are in the person of Christ, and Christ calls us to obedience with them. The Catholics who are backing them are remaining true to their Catholic vocation, the vocation Christ seeks of his laity. That doesn't mean that he calls us to follow blindly, but we are not blind. We have read and researched Church teaching and spoken with priests and prayed to God so, of course we understand the Church. And if anyone is a Catholic who is at odds with the Church, then they are acting as Martin Luther was and not as people like St. Thomas More were. That doesn't mean they're evil, but it does mean that their actions do not reflect what Catholic belief holds and they don't know the faith as well as they could. This isn't the writer's fault, of course. I mean, the priest cannot possibly teach us all that we believe in a few homilies. I really had to go out of my way to study the faith. It's a sacrifice, but my faith is important to me and if I'm going to subscribe to a faith, I'm not going to follow blindly without understanding or reading anything. I'm going to do everything I can to know my faith. If you attack the bishops, than you are attacking Christ who ordains them to serve, and you are disrespecting their authority. Since God speaks through them and teaches us through them, you are at odds with Christ himself, and you need to do everything you need to do to fix that, to understand Christ's teaching, to unite with the Church instead of turning against it. To incite fellow Catholics to revolt against the Holy Church and the apostolic order established by Christ is a very grave matter that the writer needs to discuss with a priest.
From the Catechism:
"The Roman Pontiff and the bishops are "authentic teachers, that is, teachers endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach the faith to the people entrusted to them, the faith to be believed and put into practice."
&#8206;"Hence the Church teaches that 'the bishops have by divine institution taken the place of the apostles as pastors of the Church, in such wise that whoever listens to them is listening to Christ and whoever despises them despises Christ and him who sent Christ."
www.scribd.com/doc/99734260/St ealing-the-Keys...
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