Suspect arraigned in motorcycle-SUV brawl in NYC

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Eleanor

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All this could have been prevented had the motorcyclist chosen to drive responsibly (i.e. NOT cutting off another vehicle and intentionally slowing down).

Because of his wreckless driving (which was caught on tape), he should be charged for ALL the damage resulting from his irresponsible behavior.

(including being responsible for the injuries to the other biker(s) AND also the injuries to SUV driver and his vehicle)
Heywood Jablomee

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Ever notice that these biker sissy boys always attack in packs like the cowards they are!! The driver of the Land Rover did the right thing and the moron that started this should go to prison for a long time and should also be made to pay for all damages!
Cordwainer Trout

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Heywood Jablomee wrote:
Ever notice that these biker sissy boys always attack in packs like the cowards they are!! The driver of the Land Rover did the right thing and the moron that started this should go to prison for a long time and should also be made to pay for all damages!
All those bikers were stoned on marijuana, thus their lack of control and viciousness. Don't you want to give them a break, stoner?
sheepleloveroyal ty

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Harley Davidson rules wrote:
A rice burner was used to start the whole thing and a helmet was used as an assault weapon. Ban rice burners and ban helmets.
I've always noticed more problems with the packs of racing bikes/bikers. I've been in similar situations. They just assume you can and will go out of your to avoid their illegal and dangerous maneuvers.

There's a youtube vid out about the 25 second mark you see a biker/bike with big fat tire on back purposely and dangerously slow down in front of SUV. It looks like stopped then bolted probably out of fear.

It also should be noted that many of bikers and bikes had/used STOLEN or different license plates. Also it looked like a three lane highway with no emergency lane/side road. Packs should not be allowed. Anytime any vehicle including a car pulls right next to you that is an extremely dangerous situation because you have no out.

Still wondering what 'pressure' from police means when DA decided not to prosecute two of these thugs.

“I just hate stupid people”

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Why would anybody be afraid of 40 or 50 bikes chasing you when your driving a SUV?
All you would have to do is get up to about 85mph and slam on the brakes.
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the one in the video that should be found and jailed is the coward biker that as the 1st biker is smashing at the drivers window runs up to the suv smashing at the drivers side rear window. you know the terrified 2yr old is in a car seat inches from that window as this brave biker attempts to smash the window into te 2yr olds face.
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I don't know what the laws are in NY but in GA everyone of those bikers who chased down the SUV after the initial incident and of course the guy who pulled in front of the SUV would be changed with aggressive driving. Also the person who jerked the door open on the guy with his wife and 3 year old could have been lawfully shot here under our stand your ground laws so they best stay in NY where lawlessness is more of a way of life.
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Robert wrote:
I don't know what the laws are in NY but in GA everyone of those bikers who chased down the SUV after the initial incident and of course the guy who pulled in front of the SUV would be changed with aggressive driving. Also the person who jerked the door open on the guy with his wife and 3 year old could have been lawfully shot here under our stand your ground laws so they best stay in NY where lawlessness is more of a way of life.
I don't know if the highway this happened on was an interstate highway or not but I'd think about charging them with domestic terrorism since they basically interfered with infrastructure along with terrorizing people.

I'd also site them for every traffic violation they made using the videos. If they improperly changed lanes 10 times you give them 10 tickets. And yes aggressive driving, interfering or impeding traffic, noise violations, using fraudulent/stolen documentation, possession of stolen property-the license plates, assault, stalking, destruction of private property, vandalism and/or any other violation.

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Interesting article on these types of biker gangs on MSN this morning.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...

Curious that most of this behavior is in liberal country.
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Undercover cop at beating. Didn't participate, help the victim or call 911. He didn't do squat.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/04/20...

Is this why police were relunctant to press charges afraid to interfere with an on going investigation?

Boston Globe article had the run over biker with a criminal record including drug dealing.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_co...

Top it off lawyer Gloria Allred who gets a lot of harassment type lawsuits represents the run over biker now. Oh goody...
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More police at the scene apparently. One of the clubs there had police in their membership.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-s...

No wonder the police advised the DA not to prosecute. They would've exposed an undercover operation and off duty police that didn't do squat. Even though it's their job to prevent/stop this kind of thing.

Also saw where the run over biker hasn't had a valid license since 1999 in Mass anyway.
Cordwainer Trout

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Exposing the status of an undercover operative is dangerous and destructive to many lives and long term efforts to get in place. An undercover cop at the scene was likely accompanied by one, or more of the criminals being targeted, or in their view. Criticism of such in field decisions doesn't understand the many lives jeopardized. An undercover cop isn't going to jeopardize a year's work and incredible sacrifice.
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Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Exposing the status of an undercover operative is dangerous and destructive to many lives and long term efforts to get in place. An undercover cop at the scene was likely accompanied by one, or more of the criminals being targeted, or in their view. Criticism of such in field decisions doesn't understand the many lives jeopardized. An undercover cop isn't going to jeopardize a year's work and incredible sacrifice.
Key words: lives in jeopardy, three of them to be exact. It's not about 'the investigation' that's their job to investigate. If they have to start over 10 times they do it because it's their job to investigate. Especially if they save lives in the process. It's not about the 'investigation' or 'the trial' in end what is THE purpose of a criminal investigation-get the criminals off the streets and break up the organization. As another criminal would you want to do business with any body in this biker gang right now.

The kind of exposure a case like this brings they will be able to nickel and dime a lot of those bikers into the criminal justice system. Any business they are conducting has probably been delayed or halted. It's already come out that at least one of bikers was dealing in cocaine. The under covers can move along to the next case.
Cordwainer Trout

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sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
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Key words: lives in jeopardy, three of them to be exact. It's not about 'the investigation' that's their job to investigate. If they have to start over 10 times they do it because it's their job to investigate. Especially if they save lives in the process. It's not about the 'investigation' or 'the trial' in end what is THE purpose of a criminal investigation-get the criminals off the streets and break up the organization. As another criminal would you want to do business with any body in this biker gang right now.
The kind of exposure a case like this brings they will be able to nickel and dime a lot of those bikers into the criminal justice system. Any business they are conducting has probably been delayed or halted. It's already come out that at least one of bikers was dealing in cocaine. The under covers can move along to the next case.
It's not my function to open blocked thought processes. I didn't say anything about an investigation. Investigation is secondary to the function of an undercover cop. The function of an undercover cop is to get the underbelly of some crafty criminal elements to expose themselves and self-incriminating behavior. That function is compromised and all the effort wasted, if some undercover cop suddenly jumps up and tells the criminals who he/she is. Saying that such efforts be exposed every time there's some non-relevant criminal activity going down is saying they shouldn't waste their time doing what they primarily do. It's called having one's cover blown. It's dangerous.
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Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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It's not my function to open blocked thought processes. I didn't say anything about an investigation. Investigation is secondary to the function of an undercover cop. The function of an undercover cop is to get the underbelly of some crafty criminal elements to expose themselves and self-incriminating behavior. That function is compromised and all the effort wasted, if some undercover cop suddenly jumps up and tells the criminals who he/she is. Saying that such efforts be exposed every time there's some non-relevant criminal activity going down is saying they shouldn't waste their time doing what they primarily do. It's called having one's cover blown. It's dangerous.
There are certain times you will have to abandon an undercover operation or investigation of any kind. The under covers could've tried to call 911, act as peace makers, sabotage their pursuit of the vehicle OR flash their badge and gun. If they didn't have their id yes there could've been a safety issue but 911 wasn't called and all heck broke lose and public safety was jeopardized which is the end goal of the police and criminal justice system- protect society. Those SUV members of society were not protected.
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sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
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There are certain times you will have to abandon an undercover operation or investigation of any kind. The under covers could've tried to call 911, act as peace makers, sabotage their pursuit of the vehicle OR flash their badge and gun. If they didn't have their id yes there could've been a safety issue but 911 wasn't called and all heck broke lose and public safety was jeopardized which is the end goal of the police and criminal justice system- protect society. Those SUV members of society were not protected.
Don't infer the wrong thing here... the welfare of the guy getting attacked was important, civilized people feel badly for him. I'm just glad the driver was able to permanently paralyze the first biker before he got beaten.

Yet, undercover cops never have their police ID with them, while undercover, unless they're dirty themselves. Public safety is not the first concern of an undercover cop, nor is acting as a traffic monitor, or crossing guard. Their own secure status is their primary concern. Plus, you're assuming the cop had access to a phone. The cop probably made an assessment of the situation and decided no one's life was in danger. Had a life been in danger, he would probably have intervened. As it turned out, it was a good call.
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Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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Don't infer the wrong thing here... the welfare of the guy getting attacked was important, civilized people feel badly for him. I'm just glad the driver was able to permanently paralyze the first biker before he got beaten.
Yet, undercover cops never have their police ID with them, while undercover, unless they're dirty themselves. Public safety is not the first concern of an undercover cop, nor is acting as a traffic monitor, or crossing guard. Their own secure status is their primary concern. Plus, you're assuming the cop had access to a phone. The cop probably made an assessment of the situation and decided no one's life was in danger. Had a life been in danger, he would probably have intervened. As it turned out, it was a good call.
No one's life was in danger? When they are ripping three people (including a baby) out of their vehicle, stomping them, slashing them, kicking them, beating them,...that's not a danger to those people's lives? What world do you live in? The driver of the SUV was very nearly killed and likely would have been killed if not for some common citizens (aka heroes) stepping in and breaking up the fight while the undercover cop sat there watching and doing nothing.

There may be some legitimate arguments that the undercover cop could not reveal himself, but there are things he could have done without putting his "undercover" status at risk.

First, he could have peeled off from the group early on and called to report and request back up without any of the other bikers even knowing he made the call.

He could have, and should have, secretly reported all he knew and witnessed to the authorities immediately, as soon as the investigation started. His lack of cooperation was against the law, even given his undercover status, and frankly, makes him appear to be guilty of at least some wrongdoing in this whole mess.
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I think it's unclear wether the undercover police were there on an operation or "off duty" during a different operation. Something about that under cover already being an avid biker.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/06/cops-bust-silver...

This could turn into the NYPD's version of Fast and Furious where an op went too far. Or reveal the "off duty" life of alot cops.

My biggest thing was why they waited three days to report it.(A second police officer at scene). Even if an hour at least phone in an anonymous tip saying who did what or give detailed descriptions on a tip line. They are covering something up and I don't think it's just an op. Like I said they can nickel and dime these bikers to death with criminal charges at this point that will probably lead to more information, arrests and prosecutions which is the purpose of an undercover op anyway.

I'm puzzled too IF these bikers were into enough crap to warrant an investigation and/or undercover op why did the hit biker hire a high profile attorney to sue. He's got to know if he sues a lot of information on himself and bikers "club" will come out in court.

In the meantime biker thug and alleged head stomper has 21 arrests and shows us his IQ.
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No one's life was in danger? When they are ripping three people (including a baby) out of their vehicle, stomping them, slashing them, kicking them, beating them,...that's not a danger to those people's lives? What world do you live in? The driver of the SUV was very nearly killed and likely would have been killed if not for some common citizens (aka heroes) stepping in and breaking up the fight while the undercover cop sat there watching and doing nothing.
There may be some legitimate arguments that the undercover cop could not reveal himself, but there are things he could have done without putting his "undercover" status at risk.
First, he could have peeled off from the group early on and called to report and request back up without any of the other bikers even knowing he made the call.
He could have, and should have, secretly reported all he knew and witnessed to the authorities immediately, as soon as the investigation started. His lack of cooperation was against the law, even given his undercover status, and frankly, makes him appear to be guilty of at least some wrongdoing in this whole mess.
Apparently, you can't read what I say, nor what news reports say. The guy attacked is alive, which affirms that the assessment that his life was not in danger would have been correct. It's easy for easy chair after game quarterbacking, but a decision is a decision. Further, the occupants, including the child, were NOT dragged from the SUV. You people make up stories to get attention.

However, the first I've seen is now apparent... the perpetrators were Blacks. This type of Black behavior is becoming increasingly evident since Obama claimed a thug may have been his son. Current statistics say that the Blacks committing these crimes are about 3% of the population, but are committing violent, vicious crimes at a rate of 50 to 1 compared to everyone else.

The reporting of this crime shows what is being "covered up." The races of these vicious monsters is being covered up, because reporting the truth doesn't fit the Communist narrative the control freaks want people to believe, including the promotion of Whites not defending themselves from these monsters.
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Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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Apparently, you can't read what I say, nor what news reports say. The guy attacked is alive, which affirms that the assessment that his life was not in danger would have been correct. It's easy for easy chair after game quarterbacking, but a decision is a decision. Further, the occupants, including the child, were NOT dragged from the SUV. You people make up stories to get attention.
I'm not the one who is "easy chair after game quarterbacking", YOU are.

In the original scenario, you excused the undercover cop, saying he may have assessed the situation (during the attack on the SUV driver) and determined no one's life was in danger, so decided he didn't have to take action to stop or report the attack.

Sure, now we know the SUV driver survived the savage beating, but at the time he was on the ground being stomped, beaten, kicked, and slashed...his life was very much in danger and there was no way someone, at that time, could determine that there was no need to fear for that man's life. When your face is being slashed, you are inches from the jugular. When your head is being stomped into the pavement there's a real good chance your skull could be crushed and you could be instantly killed or die of blood clots in the brain several days later. When your gut is being kicked it's possible your spleen or liver could be torn and you could easily bleed to death within minutes. So, yes, his life was in danger and nobody watching that attack could be sure he would survive. Until examined at a hospital after the attack, there was no way to determine the extent of his injuries to be sure they weren't life threatening even after the attack was over.

I'm also not making anything up. In the interview of the guy on the street who put his own life in danger to stop the attack, he also said the gang was pulling the mother and child from the SUV when other by standers stepped in to prevent it.

There is no excuse for the undercover cop to not have secretly contacted authorities. He could have peeled away from the chase and summoned help. Instead he chose to participate in the chase which makes him an accessory to the crime. The police department knows they are skating on very thin ice in this case. Members of the force were directly involved and are now working to cover up. They also did not respond to put a stop to the criminal activities of the biker gang even after more than 200 calls for help.

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