DCF officials: Did we fail baby Gabri...

DCF officials: Did we fail baby Gabriel Golden?

There are 58 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Nov 12, 2008, titled DCF officials: Did we fail baby Gabriel Golden?. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Child-protection officials question whether they failed a 5-month-old Lake County boy who died last week after suffering a fractured skull in the care of a couple who had been investigated for abuse 14 times ...

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Since: Oct 08

AOL

#1 Nov 12, 2008
If the arrests weren't for child abuse, how would you know he would hurt a child? If he was the one who did.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#2 Nov 12, 2008
This is my opinion:

This story deserves the ink it is getting-we want to know. Thank you for reporting this, please follow the story.

Real reporting in the Lake Sentinel is a duty that has been set aside slowly over the years.

The school board, government, growth and (a tiny bit) of sports stories are covered more than the crime. While important-these are not the only stories.

The fluff of volunteer opportunities and happy stories are for your special sections, not your daily reporting.

I realize there are only so many reporters with the downsizing, but crime in Lake County is not being reported with the exception of the crime log. No tabloid coverage necessary-but more than that. COVER THE STORIES, PLEASE.

Are the reporters you do have hitting the pavement? I think the Sentinel has a police scanner - does anyone listen to it at night or on the weekends? I do. The cops know what is happening. The EMT people know what is happening.

We count on you. It is a duty. You are our eyes and ears.

The following sentence is (unfortunately) true-and this is what might catch the attention of the powers-that-be:

Advertising dollars and subscription rates would increase. Your place in the print wars is solid, but you're missing it. Don't blink. You don't have time.
blantona1

Windermere, FL

#3 Nov 12, 2008
view from a new window wrote:
If the arrests weren't for child abuse, how would you know he would hurt a child? If he was the one who did.
Maybe the arrests weren't for abuse, but I would think that after being reported and investigated for child abuse 14 times that would be a good indicator that he would abuse this child as well. Again someone dropped the ball and allowed placement of a child with someone whom, while dcf couldn't prove abuse, certainly there were enough red flags to prevent children who are not their biological children from being placed there....by anyone.

It's called common sense folks, what happened to that?
Orlando Homegrown

Orlando, FL

#4 Nov 12, 2008
I find it totally mind-boggling that DCF can consistantly intimidate families that love and care for their children and are trying to raise them in a manner that will help them become fine, upstanding members of our community and then at the same time, consistently allow parents that truly abuse their children, that have no parental desire to love and cherish their child, that repeatedly are the subjects of "Investigations" that never seem to prevent the final and ultimate death of said child!
Over and over we see articles just like this one where DCF has been in the home 12-14-20 times before the final act of deadly force is delivered and then they want to "LOOK INTO" why this or that child fell through the cracks! It's because of the mindset of the DCF! I can blatantly abuse my child but as long as I will submit to the DCF's demands to take counciling and go to their "Anger management" classes then all is well! If you jump through their hoops they will keep putting that badgered child back again and again until the child is killed. Just because they changed their name from HRS to DCF doesn't change the same mentality of their former Gestopo type tactics against good earnest parents while at the same time protecting the child abusing lowlifes! Case in point is the family that is being totally and needlessly harrassed because the nanny saw the dad supposedly abusing his child by holding him down on the bed and alledgedly using his undershorts to snap him in the head with. Give me a break, to start with, though I do not condone his actions, underware is not going to do any kind of physical damage to a child and restraining a child on top of a bed is not abusive treatment! Only when DCF gets into it, now this couple is deemed a major danger to the wellbeing of their child ! It would be really interesting to be able to see all the files DCF has on and see how many families they have "Visited" more than 10 times in response to abuse allegations.

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#5 Nov 12, 2008
With the economy as bad as it is--we should have the cream of the crop as DCF Investigators. Time to clean house.

Common sense-and-personal accountability.

It is easy to sit at home and say those words. I'd be interested in what DCF has to say to defend themselves.
Sugar Bunz

Savannah, GA

#6 Nov 12, 2008
So they went from church to church to get hand outs?
What a couple of LOSERS!
Ever hear of WORKING?
Then they decide to try to join the military - just what we need to protect our country.
fanny

Scottsmoor, FL

#7 Nov 12, 2008
That poor baby never had a chance! What ever happened to sterilization? I think there should be IQ tests to have children.
Pachacutec

Fort Collins, CO

#8 Nov 12, 2008
blantona1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe the arrests weren't for abuse, but I would think that after being reported and investigated for child abuse 14 times that would be a good indicator that he would abuse this child as well. Again someone dropped the ball and allowed placement of a child with someone whom, while dcf couldn't prove abuse, certainly there were enough red flags to prevent children who are not their biological children from being placed there....by anyone.
It's called common sense folks, what happened to that?
I agree with you; even if the previous investigations weren't for abuse, the mere fact that they were investigated so many times should lead ANYONE to think that something with those people wasn't right! That poor baby was failed by a whole lot of people...
Typical

Dallas, TX

#9 Nov 12, 2008
Another DCF Blunder! Just the other day they removed a child from a Dr in Orlando even after the ER Physician said no evidence of abuse was found, and the only evidence was a nanny that said the father swated the child with a pair of underware and held the child down when he was out of control. DCF is absolutely incompentent!
Desere

Pompano Beach, FL

#10 Nov 12, 2008
I'm not sure that DCF didn't do exactly what they were supposed to do. DCF doesn't have unfettered discretion to do anything that it wants. Absent a finding that there was abuse, neglect or abandonment on THIS child or prospective abuse, there is nothing legally they can do.They can't work on hunches or opinions and they can't just substitute their opinion for that of parents, unless the child is (not might be) abused.
1. DCF does not have jurisdiction over persons other than the PARENTs of the child or the LEGAL caregivers. 2. The police are responsible for abuse perp'd by all OTHERs.
3. The parents will probably be charged for failing to protect the child because they knew or should have know that the persons that they chose were unfit. This is a police issue, not DCF.
4. I am not a fan of some of the DCF's Actions in the past, but I call a spade a spade.
Don't risk giving the government free reign to go on a witch hunt on every family. Arrest those responsible and hold them accountable. DCF isn't at fault here it seems.
Desere--continue d

Pompano Beach, FL

#11 Nov 12, 2008
For the record it isn't hard to tally up 14 investigations, all you need is an ex spouse who wants custody, a pissy neighbor, a person who doesnt like you or your parenting style. Despite 14 investigations, it doesn't make any of them true or abuse. We can't just say that there is a pattern due to 14 calls or we will open the door for a person to be revenge minded and be rewarded for that behavior. For example: mom doesn't want dad to see the kid because he has a new girlfriend. Mom calls the hotline over and over. One allegation says that "Dad kept kids at football game until 12:00am on a school night". Investigative results show that yes, dad indeed keep the kids out till midnight. Report substantiated. However its not abuse, but thus the hotline documentation begins. So with the mindset of this article all one would need to do is call the hotline ENOUGH times and eventually you could get the kid removed and placed elsewhere. Sorry folks--I'm not buying it. They are going to have to do better than this! DCF has to be able to filter this stuff out and we don't know the details and they aren't going to be able to tell us.
Desere

Pompano Beach, FL

#12 Nov 12, 2008
Pachacutec wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with you; even if the previous investigations weren't for abuse, the mere fact that they were investigated so many times should lead ANYONE to think that something with those people wasn't right! That poor baby was failed by a whole lot of people...
You know that there are other possible defenses besides MURDER. Vaccination brain swelling, accident...etc. Why even have a court system, just get a rope and you can lead the way.
Sodsailer FL

AOL

#13 Nov 12, 2008
At this rate what going to happen to the Next Generation ? Slowly disappears...what do people get out of hurting innocent children who trust & give them unconditional love ?
Rest in God's arms little Gabe.
thorn

United States

#14 Nov 12, 2008
Not only did DCF drop this case but my step daughter was removed from her bio dadas home. they dropped the ball with her too. They didnt get her the help she needed now she is on the streets. she stole my car drove it too Orlando got arrested breaking into homes on Sand Lake Road. she is now on the run from a warrent. this was all due to the lack of concern by DCF. they never got her the help she needed now she has become a street walker.

Now who ever thinks DCF does good has to live life with blinders on.

She dies DCF your gonnna get sued.
unicorn

Tallahassee, FL

#15 Nov 12, 2008
Another case fell through the cracks with DCF. Not suprisingly, it happens just at the same time budget analysis come out for the state. DCF will again claim this is the result of overworked and underpaid employees. And the governor will again alot what money there is to this agency. Time to privatize DCF and hold accountable the sorry power hungry asses who contribute to these situations.
Trash Man

Denver, CO

#16 Nov 12, 2008
A lot of these comments just piss me off. As a Foster Parent for the State of Florida I can tell you that DCF has the hardest job there is. If they pull a kid from a home BEFORE the child is abused or injured you people say they are Gestapo. If they try and keep the family together and something happens to the child they failed the child and are incompetent.

Can any of you look into a parents eyes and determine if that parent is going to hurt their child..... no... no one can, that is why they have the hardest job in the world. Have you ever spanked your child a little too hard? Have you ever become feed up with a crying baby at 3 am?

My wife and I have two little ones now we are taking care of. The mother cannot quit her drug habit, the father doesn't want anything to do with them. This is an easy case for DCF.

Quit complaining about how DCF doesn't do anything.... do something yourself... get envolved... there are kids waiting for someone to love and take care of them.

If you see abuse: 1 800 96 ABUSE

If you want to help: 1 800 981 KIDS
Orlando Homegrown

Orlando, FL

#17 Nov 12, 2008
Desere wrote:
<quoted text>
You know that there are other possible defenses besides MURDER. Vaccination brain swelling, accident...etc. Why even have a court system, just get a rope and you can lead the way.
Desere, It's folks like you that have turned a blind eye to the antics of the DCF and a deaf ear to the crying out of the truly abused children that that organization has allowed to be killed and/or severely abused over the years! DCF has the unlimited "POWER" to totally destroy your life on nothing more than an allegation from any outside source without a shrwed of evidence. There are no safeguards or perimeters to keep them in check. I realize that child abuse is a major concern in our society but there needs to be a much more stringent evaluation of what makes up "Child abuse" and quit subjecting every parent that spanks their children or uses corporal punishment in anyway to train up their children to listen to instruction, to obey their God-given guardians, to ultimately become responsible young people. We have a whole society of young people today that have no respect for anything, anybody, not even for themselves and have the mindset that everyone else OWES them everything, solely because they have not been taught at home that you are responsible for their actions and there is a price to pay when you step outside of those boundaries set by your leaders whether it be parents, or law enforcement, or government officials that have been elected to lead our nation, allbeit, right or wrong! It's OK to blame parents and even want to charge them for the actions of their own kids yet parents don't have the "RIGHT" to discipline their own children without the gestopo DCF stepping in and taking you children away! What a convoluted, warped mentality our limp-wristed, liberal, humanistic society has become!
Trash Man

Denver, CO

#18 Nov 12, 2008
Typical wrote:
Another DCF Blunder! Just the other day they removed a child from a Dr in Orlando even after the ER Physician said no evidence of abuse was found, and the only evidence was a nanny that said the father swated the child with a pair of underware and held the child down when he was out of control. DCF is absolutely incompentent!
Are you TOTALLY STUPID or what? Oh yeah, lets wait till the father actually kills the child, then complain that DCF did nothing even with complaints.
Birdie

Wayne, NJ

#19 Nov 12, 2008
Having to ask whether DCF failed Gabriel Golden is a question that should never be asked. Of course you failed him! He is dead! WTF?
Birdie

Wayne, NJ

#20 Nov 12, 2008
thorn wrote:
Not only did DCF drop this case but my step daughter was removed from her bio dadas home. they dropped the ball with her too. They didnt get her the help she needed now she is on the streets. she stole my car drove it too Orlando got arrested breaking into homes on Sand Lake Road. she is now on the run from a warrent. this was all due to the lack of concern by DCF. they never got her the help she needed now she has become a street walker.
Now who ever thinks DCF does good has to live life with blinders on.
She dies DCF your gonnna get sued.
Here's a thought; how about the parents getting her the help she needed?? WTF

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