Metro Man Dies After Police Use Stun Gun on Him

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Authorities are investigating after a Leavenworth man died over the weekend after police used a stun gun on him three times. Full Story
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Mark

Kansas City, MO

#1 Jul 20, 2010
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Tazers are NOT less-than-lethal. Blood is highly conductive to electricity and no matter what causes the shock, it affects EVERY muscle in the body, including the heart. All it takes to kill a full grown and healthy human being is 50 milliamperes through the heart and a Tazer puts out three times that much. If people survive a Tazer hit or lightning strike, it still affects them by frying their brain cells and making them stupid, so every time the police use a tazer on someone, regardless of whether or not they survive, the police are only making the situation worse.

Note: There is NO less-than-lethal way to bring down a full-grown human being that will not affect them negatively in some way.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#2 Jul 20, 2010
Flashbangs can cause serious damage to the retina and eardrums, making the person blind and deaf. Smoke grenades, CS Gas Grenades (teargas), and pepper spray can seriously irritate the mucous membranes and can damage the respiratory system and/or make a person develop asthma or emphysema. Rubber bullets can break or crack bones and, if aimed improperly, can damage critical and sensitive body parts.

So, basically, the answer to whether or not there is a humane way to subdue an irate and full grown human being is NO.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#3 Jul 20, 2010
Note to the police: I do have one thing that MIGHT (major key word) work; however, its designed to drive the hapless victim slowly insane rather than make them calm down. Its called the "Annoy-A-Tron" and it is designed to beep at random frequencies and times. As quoted from the product website: "If you do your part to find a suitable hiding place for the Annoy-A-Tron, it will do its part to drive your co-workers slowly mad with its annoying and seemingly random beeps. When they actually do find it, they won't know what it is or what to do with it, which is almost as much fun as watching them search for it."

Linky: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/b...
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#4 Jul 20, 2010
Second note to police: If you want to go all-out on the Psy-Ops and all but guarantee that you'll scare them into submission, check out the EvilTron. Its designed to randomly emit six different eerie sounds that are sure to scare anyone. For best results, hide it in the victim's car then just sit back and wait.

Linky: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/c...
Proud American

Holden, MO

#5 Jul 20, 2010
Jesus Christ give me a break. I DO NOT feel sorry for this guy or anybody who dies from being tasered. For one... comply with police and force doesn't need to take place. Second if you are intoxicated and or on drugs and you get tasered too damn bad, should have thought about that before getting drunk/stoned and messed with the cops. How about people taking responsibility for their actions instead of making the perp the victim. I had an uncle in Texas who became drunk and boligerant and started a fight. Someone hit him over the head with a barstool and killed him. I sure as hell didn't feel sorry for him, he deserved it. People get what they deserve.
Taxpayer

Cary, NC

#6 Jul 20, 2010
Proud American wrote:
Jesus Christ give me a break. I DO NOT feel sorry for this guy or anybody who dies from being tasered. For one... comply with police and force doesn't need to take place. Second if you are intoxicated and or on drugs and you get tasered too damn bad, should have thought about that before getting drunk/stoned and messed with the cops. How about people taking responsibility for their actions instead of making the perp the victim. I had an uncle in Texas who became drunk and boligerant and started a fight. Someone hit him over the head with a barstool and killed him. I sure as hell didn't feel sorry for him, he deserved it. People get what they deserve.
I agree, he made a decision to get himself all jacked up. If the police needed to subdue him, whatever happened is on him.
Taxpayer

Cary, NC

#7 Jul 20, 2010
Mark wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Tazers are NOT less-than-lethal. Blood is highly conductive to electricity and no matter what causes the shock, it affects EVERY muscle in the body, including the heart. All it takes to kill a full grown and healthy human being is 50 milliamperes through the heart and a Tazer puts out three times that much. If people survive a Tazer hit or lightning strike, it still affects them by frying their brain cells and making them stupid, so every time the police use a tazer on someone, regardless of whether or not they survive, the police are only making the situation worse.
Note: There is NO less-than-lethal way to bring down a full-grown human being that will not affect them negatively in some way.
You have it all backwards. A Taser is high volts, with very low amperage. They are not deadly. Policemen get tazed during training all the time.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#8 Jul 20, 2010
Proud American wrote:
Jesus Christ give me a break. I DO NOT feel sorry for this guy or anybody who dies from being tasered. For one... comply with police and force doesn't need to take place. Second if you are intoxicated and or on drugs and you get tasered too damn bad, should have thought about that before getting drunk/stoned and messed with the cops. How about people taking responsibility for their actions instead of making the perp the victim. I had an uncle in Texas who became drunk and boligerant and started a fight. Someone hit him over the head with a barstool and killed him. I sure as hell didn't feel sorry for him, he deserved it. People get what they deserve.
I, for one, do not agree with the "cooperate or die" mentality. If someone points a gun at me, damn straight I'm going to defend myself. I could care less who it is. I am afraid of guns. I would never use one myself and I do not ever want to be around someone who carries a gun. Because cops always carry guns, I do my best to stay as far away from them as possible, not because I hate them, but because I fear for my life whenever someone has a gun in my presence.

If the cops can use the "He has a gun and I fear for my life" as justification to shoot someone, I can just as easily use it as justification to defend myself from the cop. If the cops can use the whole "I'm not going to wait for him to pull out a gun and start shooting" as justification to launch an unprovoked attack, then I can just as easily use it as justification to protect myself from the cop's gun if any cop ever comes near me.
Taxpayer

Cary, NC

#9 Jul 20, 2010
Mark, you are an Idiot, where do you get unprovoked? The police were called because the man was out of control, and he continued to fight after they took steps to subdue him. I suppose you think they should just keep wrestling with him until he was too tired to keep fighting. Ridiculous!
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#10 Jul 20, 2010
I'm not the type who will bow down and kiss someone's backside all because that's what I'm supposed to do. Respect has to be earned. I could care less who you are or what position of authority you have over me. You want respect, you have to earn it. Same goes for trust.

I am also the type who will never run and hide behind the police when someone attacks me. I'm not a coward like most people. If someone attacks me, then I take it as a challenge, fight back, and battle to the death. Unlike most people, I do fight back, and I fight as ferociously as a cornered fox, which has earned me the nickname Demon.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#11 Jul 20, 2010
Taxpayer wrote:
Mark, you are an Idiot, where do you get unprovoked? The police were called because the man was out of control, and he continued to fight after they took steps to subdue him. I suppose you think they should just keep wrestling with him until he was too tired to keep fighting. Ridiculous!
All the police have to do is THINK you have a weapon and they'll run in guns blazing. That's where the "unprovoked" thing comes from. If you're known to be aggressive towards anyone of authority and you're known to give cops verbal tongue-lashings for no apparent reason (like me), the cops will approach you with their weapons drawn and a "take no chances" attitude. You don't even have to have a history of carrying a weapon. You just have to have a history of disrespecting authority and the police will approach you with their weapons at the ready.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#12 Jul 20, 2010
Taxpayer wrote:
Mark, you are an Idiot, where do you get unprovoked? The police were called because the man was out of control, and he continued to fight after they took steps to subdue him. I suppose you think they should just keep wrestling with him until he was too tired to keep fighting. Ridiculous!
Police will not wait to see if you have a weapon. If you're a known hostile, they'll approach you with guns drawn and if you make any attempt to fight or flight, you get shot. I have seen numerous police shooting reports where the police pulled over someone with a history of vandalizing police vehicles and buildings, then when that guy tried to push past a cop to get away, the cop shot him. It was only after they had put two bullets in the guy's head they found out he was unarmed and zero threat to them. The officers involved in that incident are still in their respective departments and every one of them and their comrades feel their actions were justified.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#13 Jul 20, 2010
I have also seen cases where a person refused to comply with an officer's order to move away from a building and the guy became verbally abusive towards the cop, so the cop pepper sprayed the guy. The guy had asthma and died of suffocation because the pepper spray triggered an asthma attack. The cop walked free because he claimed he did not know the guy had asthma. The guy was no threat to the officer and was simply protesting a presidential campaign stop.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#14 Jul 20, 2010
Most of these such cases strike fear deep into my heart. My stepdad is diabetic, and not a day goes by where I don't worry about him going into diabetic shock and driving like a madman because of it. But, lo and behold, cops cannot tell the difference between a drunk driver and a person in diabetic shock, so once they get the guy stopped, they yank him out of the car and pile drive him to the pavement, then forcefully arrest him BEFORE they find out he's diabetic and in shock. This such scenario scares me because my stepdad also has Factor V Leiden, a blood clotting disorder that causes the blood to clot very quickly. Triggered by stress, the body starts throwing blood clots everywhere, and some of those clots can lodge in the heart or brain and such incidents are usually fatal without immediate medical attention and the administration of clotbusters and blood thinners.

Every day that goes by, I fear such a scenario will happen and then the cops involved will walk free all because they "didn't know" my stepdad had a fatal blood disorder that was triggered by stress.
Tom

Overland Park, KS

#15 Jul 20, 2010
The Reverends Jesse and Al would be marchin and lootin if Mr Stevenson was a lil darker.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#16 Jul 20, 2010
My real dad has asthma...Really bad, only 30% of his lung capacity left. My girlfriend also has asthma. I fear for their lives, too, because all it takes is a cloud of teargas or pepper spray to trigger a fatal asthma attack, and again, the cops would walk free because they "didn't know" that my dad or girlfriend had asthma. And the cloud of teargas or pepper spray doesn't even have to be directed at them. All that has to happen is for my dad or girlfriend to be downwind of a teargas grenade or a pepper spray discharge and they, too, will be affected, with fatal or nearly-fatal results.
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#17 Jul 20, 2010
I don't hate the police. I just hate the fact that they often cannot tell the difference between a real medical emergency and someone who is under the influence of narcotics or alcohol. I also hate the fact that if someone dies as a result of a tazer shock or pepper spray that the officers involved are not held accountable and that they are quick to blame a secondary pre-existing condition.

I know for a fact that everyone on here would be in a riot if their neighbor or their kid "accidentally" killed someone and got away with it because the injuries caused complications arising from a secondary pre-existing condition. I mean, let's say you came up and assaulted me and I pepper sprayed you and you died from an asthma attack but I was later found to have acted on self-defense and never charged. Your family and friends would want me held liable for your death, so why are people quick to side with the police when this exact same thing happens?
Observer

Kansas City, KS

#18 Jul 20, 2010
What IS this, the Mark Show? 10 of 15 posts are from Marky Demon. I'm so impressed with all of your battle experience and apparent experience with the police. You know of more police routines than THEY do!

Can I have your autograph? I've never met a real bad man before.
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United States

#19 Jul 20, 2010
Party on skidMark
Mark

Kansas City, MO

#21 Jul 20, 2010
I mean, seriously. Why do cops get away with things ordinary people would end up on death row for? Cops can get away with shooting an unarmed man, cops can get away with tazing a person with heart problems, cops can get away with pepper spraying or tear-gassing a person with asthma, cops can get away with kicking in your door, terrorizing your family, ransacking your home, and killing your pets, but if ordinary people do this stuff, they get many years if not an entire lifetime in prison. Doesn't make sense.

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