Victim's family seeks justice after church gave refuge to kille...

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Even in a house of God, Marie Sabe wasn't safe. It was a Monday, just a regular day at work. Full Story
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Los Angeles, CA

#1 Feb 19, 2008
What a terrible story! Of course the church should have warned Sabe and anyone else on the grounds -- you shouldn't have to feel that church might be the most dangerous place you can be. With Miranda's criminal record, of murder and a separate rape of a child, it's not like he'd been in prison for a nonviolent crime. Makes you wonder if any church is totally safe, and that's a disservice to all churches. This is just as bad and poor judgment as Catholic churches moving around known pedophile priests instead of removing them from any contact with children.

How did Miranda keep getting out on parole? He must be one of those sociopaths who can fool people into thinking he's "normal" only to achieve his objectives of getting out and doing more harm.

The church is far more complicit in the stabbing than was the manager of the apartment building described, where they had to pay $12 million for not doing an adequate background check. That's excessive, and puts an undue burden on small apartment managers.

It sure is unfair that bad things happen to good people, may she rest in peace.
Darrel Woodward

Moreno Valley, CA

#2 Feb 19, 2008
I think the church should be held responiable,they had full knowledge of the man,A good stiff lawsuit judgement against the church will teach them a lesson.
Betty

Tulsa, OK

#3 Feb 19, 2008
I am glad that this article was written. It seems as though the victim often time winds up paying for the crime committed against them. The justice system is far too concerned with the rights of the criminal with little or no concern for people who are law-abiding and do the right thing.

The church, while trying to help someone, should have had forethought. Hiring an ex-con in a place where women and children are present was senseless.
Laura

United States

#4 Feb 19, 2008
Thank God, that this case is getting some of the attention it deserves. I am glad to see that Marie's family, in the midst of their grief, can hope to make it better for others in this world. Marie was definitley a light whose glow was extinguished way too early, I miss her terribly.
Eileen

Tulsa, OK

#5 Feb 19, 2008
Even if you believe in second chances; even in cases of murder such as Miranda's first conviction; this killer used his second chance to break into a home and rape a child and yet he was granted even a third opportunity to destroy more innocent lives? This third opportunity ended the life of a young woman and will continue to cause pain and heartache to all her family and those who loved her; they will not be granted a "parole" from their pain. How many lives should someone be able to destroy before they are deemed dangerous to the public? I do understand the church's mission to reach out and help change the lives of parolees but it should not be done at the risk of others unknowly put in the paths of those who have proven to be dangerous as this person had twice shown. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
One of Maries Friends

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Feb 19, 2008
I Know Marie is at peace, her spirit all around us. She was such a beautiful human being! The statement "she was a light" was an understatement. She was such a bright light that touched so many souls in so many ways. So many of us will greatly miss her.
This church should PAY and not just financially. there is only so much you can do to find restitution for these felons. He was far beyond (obviously). If you feel you need to take care and give chances to felons then at least blantanly have it a KNOWN that this persons past is beyond shady. Karma will kick every person involved in the arse!!!
I find so many responsible for Maries death and traumatic experince that never had to happen. Why has the court system given him so many chances allowing him out for parole, the church taking him in, etc... This is so PATHETIC. Their mistakes and lack of judgement took one of the most beaufitul womans life. We all lose in this situation!
Marie, you are always in our hearts, in our thoughts, and we love you so much. I am looking forward to the day I see you again!
lynda woodward

United States

#7 Feb 19, 2008
marie was a beautiful spirit and a gifted healer........this was an avoidable tragedy.....i support her family in seekiing justice for her life lost so senselessy.
Someone who cares

Boston, MA

#8 Feb 19, 2008
I was Marie's next door neighbor during this HORRIBLE incident. Words cannot express the injustice of this crime. Marie wanted to live her life...love and help others. She did not deserve to be violently attacked. And for the pastor of this church not to inform her that an ex convict (sex offender) was working next to her is inexcusable. I do not see how the pastor is not indireclty if not DIRECTLY responsible for Marie's passing. This could have been any of us!

I pray that Marie receive a degree of justice now. Not that this will take away from the sadness that her love one's feel, but I hope that they will finally receive an apology from the pastor and a monetary reward for all their pain and suffering.

God please comfort Carl and Marie's family.
maverick

Los Angeles, CA

#9 Feb 19, 2008
I too feel the church is at fault for Marie's tragic death. May she rest in peace. Extending my sympathy to her family & all the lives Marie has touched.

Houses of worship,churches,synagouges,ie tho' trying to rehabilitate fail by by not alerting members of their congregation the knowledge that dangerous,mentally ill people are in their midst.

The criminal seems to be always the victim in todays liberal society.How about the many innocents that are the true victims?

That said, G-D Speed
Roberta

Prairie Grove, AR

#10 Feb 19, 2008
An excellent article though very late in coming. - I hope you do a follow up on the lawsuit and possibly tell us a bit more about Marie. It seems she had her whole life ahead of her and it was cut off way too soon
CPP

United States

#11 Feb 19, 2008
Why.... Why... I ask myself every day. These people can not be rehabilitated.
SUPPORT DEATH PENALTY

Mission Viejo, CA

#12 Feb 19, 2008
Another reason for the death penalty -
Murderer and rapist...and yet allowed out...our prison system is so messed up.
If we would have fried the bastard the first time, she would not have died.
JUST think about that you liberal a**holes
1 More Friend

Corona, CA

#13 Feb 19, 2008
I have known Marie for over 15 yrs...
She was such a bright light & it is so very sad that this had to happen to such a beautiful spirit.
As for the Church, YES most definitely they should pay not only monetarily but they should be made an example for other Church's who help those who have led a criminal way of life.
They should have notified all who enter those premises.
Marie is missed but not forgotten..
From a friend of Marie

West Covina, CA

#14 Feb 19, 2008
Marie was a light to all who knew her. She was a gifted masseuse and healer and a songwriter and singer. No one deserves to suffer the way she did. It boggles my mind that a convicted murderer, rapist like this man was ever allowed out of prison!! What is wrong with our criminal justice system that allows such known predators in our midst?? I hope that this lawsuit is won by Marie's family and I pray that our legislature changes our laws so that violent offenders like this are put away forever the first time!!
koen

United States

#15 Feb 19, 2008
Church is an 'open' institution and its buildings are open to anyone who wish to enter. It has been that way for centuries. What happened to Sabe is tragic and the church should probably do all they can to comfort and alleviate her suffering. On the other hand, you could also find these tragic events everywhere in this nation. You could sit peacefully in class within a huge university complex and still got shot. You could go to a mall and enjoy your free time, and still got shot. Should the families of all these people sue wherever the place the crime takes place?? My condolence to the family but it seems that what they are doing is kind of off. What the family is expecting from the legal proceeding? Is it money, apology, vengeance, better procedure at the part of the church or? The church could probably is the best place for them to find comfort and meaning over their loss.
Concerned Citizen

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Feb 19, 2008
Thanks to the author of this article for informing the people of this tragedy and for calling attention to the lack of responsibility by the Church.

It seems far too often that churches fail to take accountability for their actions, only leaving others like Ms. Sabe to pay the price. In this instance, why would a church sacrifice the safety of its congregation for one terrible man? If I were a member of this church I would be outraged and demand the heads of this church explain how they not only allowed this man to live on the premises but also allowed him to interact with what is considered his prey: children.

I sincerely hope the author continues to follow Ms. Sabe's story!
Richard Cory

Agoura Hills, CA

#17 Feb 19, 2008
Miranda...ten guesses on his cultural back round, and the first nine don't count.
If he wasn't an illigal he came from one.We need a constitual amendment to change the automatic citizanship to children born form illegals.
How nice that the three strikes works,but don't even count on that much longer thanks to the ACLU.
This person should be "put down" like any other vicious animal. One strike.
While I did not know marie that well the wourld would be a better place with her in it and
Maranda out of it.
AND what ever happened to the law that if someone dies in less than a year from wounds
receied murder charges can stll be filed. Make the church pay.
Karyn

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Feb 19, 2008
In reply to the author of the response starting with "The Church is an 'open' institution and its buildings are open to anyone who wish to enter." Whether I'm at Church, School, the Mall or Work, if there is a person who poses a physical threat to me or others, and those that control the premises know and fail to inform me or the public, they should be held accountable if any person is harmed.

Assume for example that a school principal knew one of the teachers was a convicted sex offender but permitted the teacher to work with children. Should we not hold the school or principal accountable if a student is physically harmed by the teacher? Of course we do.

Although Miranda's attack is terrible, it's truly sad to know that, had the church taken the necessary and simple precaution of letting those within close proximity of Miranda know of his dangerousness, the attack and even this article would never had happened.
Maries Mother

Cabot, AR

#19 Feb 19, 2008
koen wrote:
Church is an 'open' institution and its buildings are open to anyone who wish to enter. It has been that way for centuries. What happened to Sabe is tragic and the church should probably do all they can to comfort and alleviate her suffering. On the other hand, you could also find these tragic events everywhere in this nation. You could sit peacefully in class within a huge university complex and still got shot. You could go to a mall and enjoy your free time, and still got shot. Should the families of all these people sue wherever the place the crime takes place?? My condolence to the family but it seems that what they are doing is kind of off. What the family is expecting from the legal proceeding? Is it money, apology, vengeance, better procedure at the part of the church or? The church could probably is the best place for them to find comfort and meaning over their loss.
"kind of off" I'm trying to figure out what the writer might mean by that. Kind of off is what I would say to someone who sues because their hot coffee spilled on them and they received millions in punitive damages. THAT is off!!!
This is not a case of someone trying to do a good deed. This is a case of complete irresponsibility and thoughtlessness on the part of those a congregation was trusting to look out for their well being. You are entitled to your opinion, dear writer but until you have walked in the shoes of myself, her father and her fiance who lived this tragedy tread lightly. Because these tragedies happen "everywhere in this nation" should one never pursue making them right. How does one change a broken system if voices are not raised and actions taken? going through the legal system is EXACTLY how things get changed. I pray you never have to experience such tragic loss.
Kate

Glendale, CA

#20 Feb 19, 2008
what a beautiful person, inside and out. Prayers to her family.

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