Toppled Philippine church cross overlooks typhoon's destruction

There are 227 comments on the The Baltimore Sun story from Nov 10, 2013, titled Toppled Philippine church cross overlooks typhoon's destruction. In it, The Baltimore Sun reports that:

A church spire, its cross hanging loose, looks down on smashed houses, wrecked cars, toppled power lines and snapped trees, as dazed survivors try to count the cost.

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ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#83 Nov 13, 2013
lol wrote:
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Instead of focusing your attention to the Vatican which you have no business or control over their billions....why don't you ask INC to do what you are asking for.
You're so cheerful about the maiming by the thousands people, your kababayan. Indeed you're Devil's son spreading your falsities and viciousness...
Lol,

Tell the Vatican bishops and priests first not to be corrupt!!! The true Christian Church is devoid of graft and corruption!!! But that is not the case with regards to the Vatican Church!!! And those spreading words about the dysfunctionality of the Vatican cult are themselves Catholics!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#84 Nov 13, 2013
lol wrote:
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I can hear the devil's cheering for the death?
Lol,

The cheering from the Vatican comes from the idea that they could enhance their "cash on hand" by means of Masses for the dead!!! It is a very shameful act if these pagan rites are performed when Catholic faithfuls are in dire need for help!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#85 Nov 13, 2013
lol wrote:
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lollllllllllll, talk for yourself Elias, you're lips are accompanied with too much bragging and grandstanding.!
Lol,

The shameless brqagging and grandstanding comes from here: more than a billion Catholics but who are inutile when it comes to providing relief to the needy!!! What kind of brotherhood do you exercise???

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#86 Nov 13, 2013
lol wrote:
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so what are your suggestions to get rid of zoonotic era and conflict worldwide??? The best is to spread and educate people that drug is a killer....snoop and be addicted...then you will die slowly ....
Lol,

Drugs are killers but the Roman Catholic Church is dependent on the drug lords when wanting to build chapels!!! There is a big possibility that drug lords can be beatified and canonized by the Vatican because money talks!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#87 Nov 13, 2013
Derek wrote:
I see the Philippine government is stealing all the aid money. Wow what a surprise. Somethings never change no matter how tragic the situation.
Derek,

Graft and corruiption in the Philippine government are "All-Catholic and Protestant Colossal Racketeerings"!!! Both priests and Protestant ministers still think that the Philippines is still under colonial churches' administration!!!

Just observe how priests demand renovation money for their rubbled churches from the government and as if the Vatican owns the Philippine Treasury!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#88 Nov 13, 2013
Silent Crusader wrote:
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Your husband is included in all our prayers...just like I have for my mother, a sister and her children (husband passed a long while) who are somewhere out there in Tacloban City (foodless/waterless/without medicine?). We have no info so far but if anyone is gone I just pray that God will have mercy on their souls.
I pray that your husband is safe in sound that he is just somewhere there doing his good samaritan works for God...
God Bless.
Silent Murderer,

Where are the majority Catholics who are more than a billion in membership??? Where are your leaders??? What happened to your advertisement which says, "hindo tayo nabubuhay sa sarili lamang"???

You are an inutile religion!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#89 Nov 13, 2013
Silent Crusader wrote:
Chastisement is upon everyone now as the world is already being warned what is to come. Our beloved country is the first to suffer most. We should not be confident enough that even the city of Manila and its neighboring cities will suffer the same fate. The sins committed by many in our country are the main cause why God has to unless the fury of its nature to warn us to change and reform our lives.
Silent Murderer,

The sinners and fools of the Philippines and the whole world according to a former Roman Catholic priest:

"Church (Catholic) of sinners and of fools."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#90 Nov 13, 2013
Silent Crusader wrote:
People have stopped to care but ride along what the world can give.
Silent Murderer,

And the identities of the religions that stopped to care: crosses, amulets, and making signs of the cross!!!

“In practice, both Catholics and Protestants neglect poor of our land. The group that has significantly moved into this vacuum is the Iglesia ni Cristo…

By passing the enigma of how many members they really have, we must acknowledge that the Iglesia ni Cristo provides much that the common tao needs; a sense of belonging, of community, of being part or a successful enterprise”

Reference: A. Leonard Tuggy & Ralph Toliver. Seeing the church in the Philippines, 1972, p.140.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#91 Nov 13, 2013
Silent Crusader wrote:
Sins are committed everywhere in every home, private and government offices, in all industries and businesses, streets, internet, every churches (no exception) and even in the privacy of one's mind and heart.
Silent Murderer,

You are correct!!! The Vatican is no exception!!! It is the Church of sinners and fools!!! They even killed a spurious "VICARIVS FILII DEI:

"In contemporary history one is reminded again of the scandals in the center of Roman Catholicism. Bank scandals, counterfeiting, laundering of Mafia money from illegal business,(Narcotics, prostitution, kidnapping, etc.) name it you have it, kickbacks, hidden wealth-connections with the Mafia, the CIA, Communists and subtle hypocritical connections within the P2 (Propaganda Due-a secret and powerful Masonic Group headed by Licio Gelli).

The graft and corruption involves billions of dollars. All these eventually leads to the untimely and tragic death of Pope John 1 (Albino Cardinal Luciani) who occupied the papacy for only 33 days ending on September 28, 1978. Research and formal investigations show evidences to murder!"

Reference:(Fajardo, Reynaldo T. Bulletin Today, April 16, 1986, p. 8.)

Homosexuality In The Catholic Church

"...In one of the very few studies based on hard data -- 1,500 interviews between 1960 and 1985 -- Maryland psychologist Richard Sipe, a former priest, concludes that about 20 percent of 57,000 U.S. Catholic priests are homosexual and that half of these are sexually active. But since 1978, Sipe believes, the number of gay priests has increased significantly; other therapists think the figure today may be closer to 40 percent...."

Reference:(Newsweek, February 23, 1987, p. 44.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#92 Nov 13, 2013
Silent Crusader wrote:
Many heart became hardened and full of hatred. The tree of life is being cut down for the sake of self-righteousness, vanity and pride.
In this forum sins of hatred are being sown and spawn...accusations and perversions are being spread wildly like viruses.
Silent Murderer,

These Vatican popes were hardened criminals!!! John A. O'Brien, a Jesuit priest reveals:

"'The first law of history', declared Pope Leo Xlll, as we mentioned previously,'is to assert nothing false and to have no fear of telling the truth'. In conformity with that wise principle, we frankly acknowledge the responsibility of the popes in the use of torture and in the burning of thousands of heretics at the stake. Their sanctioning of such cruel and brutal measures is unquestionably one of the blackest strains on the record of the Holy Office and will remain to the end of time a cause of obloquy and shame upon the papacy." (p. 49)

Reference:(O'Brien, John A., Ph.D., L.L.D., The Truth About the Inquisition. Nihil Obstat: Thomas E. Dillon, Censor Librorum. Imprimatur: John F. Noll, D.D., Bishop of Fort Wayne. New York, USA: The Paulist Press)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#93 Nov 13, 2013
Silent Crusader wrote:
The mind is the favorite playground of the devil.
Silent Murderer,

Yes, the mind of the Vatican Church is the favorite playground of the devil!!! The Mary of the Roman Catholic Church is not real and was fabricated!!! She, according to a Vatican teaching, is the spouse of Christ:

"O most Blessed Virgin Mary glorious Mother and Spouse of Christ the King."

Reference:(Regal Litany of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, p. 6.)

Imagine, a son marrying his own mother!!! Thus, a former Roman Catholic priest, Adrian Hastings, has described the Roman Catholic Church as:

"Church of sinners and of fools."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#94 Nov 13, 2013
Derek wrote:
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World News reports: With the headlines full of Typhoon Haiyan, people’s minds turn inevitably – and rightly – to aid donations. But when a country like the Philippines is involved, AML people’s minds turn inevitably to questions about corruption: bluntly, is it safe to send money to such a regime? With its history of spectacularly corrupt politicians (Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos, Joseph Estrada and Gloria Arroyo spring to mind) who seem to have no compunction about dipping their paws into the public till and stealing money from their very poorest citizens, it is not surprising if even our own government is taking things carefully when it comes to handing over large donations.
Derek,

You forgot the Roman Catholic Church:

"the power of the Church (Catholic) has been used in history to do the devil's work."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 127.)

"In contemporary history one is reminded again of the scandals in the center of Roman Catholicism. Bank scandals, counterfeiting, laundering of Mafia money from illegal business,(Narcotics, prostitution, kidnapping, etc.) name it you have it, kickbacks, hidden wealth-connections with the Mafia, the CIA, Communists and subtle hypocritical connections within the P2 (Propaganda Due-a secret and powerful Masonic Group headed by Licio Gelli).

"The graft and corruption involves billions of dollars. All these eventually leads to the untimely and tragic death of Pope John 1 (Albino Cardinal Luciani) who occupied the papacy for only 33 days ending on September 28, 1978. Research and formal investigations show evidences to murder!"

Reference:(Fajardo, Reynaldo T. Bulletin Today, April 16, 1986, p. 8.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#95 Nov 13, 2013
Silent Crusader wrote:
John 14:6 "Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me."
Silent Murderer,

The verse clearly shows that Christ is not God!!! He is the Mediator between God and man!!! If God and man are being mediated, that only means that the Mediator is not one of the parties who are at odds with each other!!! The Mediator cannot be God nor the man being mediated!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
j helms

Oakland, CA

#96 Nov 13, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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J Helms,
The Jews who were the first converts to the first-century Christian Church or Church of Christ were also persecuted because of the belief by the pagan Roman citizens that they were responsible for the burning of Rome!!!
The said persecutions were repeated by the Roman Catholic Church through the Inquisitions when state and religion merged their forces but the victims were no longer confined to the Jews but to pagans and Muslims as well!!!
Also, after the formation of Protestantim and in the European continent, both Catholicism and Protestantism played roles as to the genocide inflicted upon the pagans, Muslim, and Jews!!!
Criminality is indeed the heritage passed on to the later and present generations by the Mother and Daughter Harlots!!! Millions were killed in Africa, Asia, Australia, and the Americas and which acts wiped out from the face of the earth scores of ethnic tribes!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
In reality, those were zoonotic conflicts, religion and race get thrown in later--but its the zoonotic outbreaks that caused the conflicts and alchohol and drug use caused the outbreaks---the sephardic "mixes" have got to come to gripes with alcohol and drug addiction- its too late for us, we are on the verge of a zoonotic era.
j helms

Oakland, CA

#97 Nov 13, 2013
the wannabe racketeering and serial killer std spreaders come with the drug and addiction etc.--its the amount of people using--and who is manufacturing narcotics illegally without any kind of "control"? The pashtun who manufacture a lot of the worlds heroin--in pakistan and afghanistan-have tons of hasidic and ashakezim blood from the eastern judaic exodus from world war 2. Primarily can you call them jewish?? Almost, damn near, BUT, their religious preference is muslim---and its the heroin that cause's alot of upheaval and violence in the muslim world and terror world wide along with std spreading etc. etc.--world wide hunger, conflict and suffering is mostly caused by asian latino judaic's with a different religious preference--look at the breeding margin's of the females in mexico etc.---THEY DON'T HAVE ONE---the old ladys are now sterile or infected with deadly std-nothing but hiv/aids babies now with "layering " std's now--even if we had a cure for std like hiv--they would just spread twice as fast--because its the behavior that spreads std's--prostitution,careless sex etc- and drugs cause that and people would be less likely to use protection, the std levels and rates are too high to stop and drug manufacturing caused and fueled that too happen--which is 90% latino asian judaic fueled.
j helms

Oakland, CA

#98 Nov 13, 2013
At the turn of century, same thing in american-with syphilis and heroin,cocaine,alcohol--std outbreaks caused economic shortcomings--which in turn "caused" homelessness and fecal contamination zoonotic outbreaks--water contamination and food.(happening in mexico right now)--and affected alot of the "native americans" who lost their migratory routes when their 'areas" became fecal contaminated they moved to their "new" spot. When they lost their territory they were force to live in the same spot and fecal contamination took over with alcohol addiction also played a role. Zoonotic outbreaks occurred and instead of dropping the fuel air can to burn and quell the zoonotic outbreak to save the surrounding population---they shot and killed the people in the area to survive--and that's how zoonotic outbreaks and conflicts start--people trying to survive!!!!!
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#99 Nov 14, 2013
j helms wrote:
<quoted text>In reality, those were zoonotic conflicts, religion and race get thrown in later--but its the zoonotic outbreaks that caused the conflicts and alchohol and drug use caused the outbreaks---the sephardic "mixes" have got to come to gripes with alcohol and drug addiction- its too late for us, we are on the verge of a zoonotic era.
J Helms,

A Roman Catholic pope is historically portrayed as having had bestial relationships with animals and may be the one to spread zoonotic diseases to humans whom he had contact with!!! I suspect that the mad cow disease is an offshoot of his sexual perversion!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#100 Nov 14, 2013
j helms wrote:
At the turn of century, same thing in american-with syphilis and heroin,cocaine,alcohol--std outbreaks caused economic shortcomings--which in turn "caused" homelessness and fecal contamination zoonotic outbreaks--water contamination and food.(happening in mexico right now)--and affected alot of the "native americans" who lost their migratory routes when their 'areas" became fecal contaminated they moved to their "new" spot. When they lost their territory they were force to live in the same spot and fecal contamination took over with alcohol addiction also played a role. Zoonotic outbreaks occurred and instead of dropping the fuel air can to burn and quell the zoonotic outbreak to save the surrounding population---they shot and killed the people in the area to survive--and that's how zoonotic outbreaks and conflicts start--people trying to survive!!!!!
J Helms,

Indeed there are logical reasons to make us believe that sexual perversions with animals as exemplified by the behavior of a Roman Catholic pope could be the reason why lots of native American tribes are gone from the face of the earth!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
lol

San Francisco, CA

#101 Nov 14, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Derek,
Graft and corruiption in the Philippine government are "All-Catholic and Protestant Colossal Racketeerings"!!! Both priests and Protestant ministers still think that the Philippines is still under colonial churches' administration!!!
Just observe how priests demand renovation money for their rubbled churches from the government and as if the Vatican owns the Philippine Treasury!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
you're indeed rebelling against the Catholic and Protestant. Elias, repent and don't blame others with your maliciousness.
lol

San Francisco, CA

#102 Nov 14, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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J Helms,
Indeed there are logical reasons to make us believe that sexual perversions with animals as exemplified by the behavior of a Roman Catholic pope could be the reason why lots of native American tribes are gone from the face of the earth!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
you're so expert on your logical theory for the reason that you do what you preach! Animal behavior Elias--so dirty even to read your post!

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