US school shooting revives gun debate

Dec 14, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Yahoo!

Relatives of those killed in past mass shootings reacted with outrage to Friday's news of another massacre at an elementary school in Connecticut.

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Answer; see fast and furious
Fact; twice as many people got killed with blunt objects than rifles.
Show me an instance where 20 or more people ( or even 5) got killed with a blunt object or even a knife by one person in less than 3 minutes.

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Answer; see fast and furious
Fact; twice as many people got killed with blunt objects than rifles.
BTW are we talking about just rifles or any gun?

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<quoted text>Show me an instance where 20 or more people ( or even 5) got killed with a blunt object or even a knife by one person in less than 3 minutes.
Frankly, it doesn't matter. The second amendment of the bill or rights allows gun ownership.
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<quoted text>Show me an instance where 20 or more people ( or even 5) got killed with a blunt object or even a knife by one person in less than 3 minutes.
There are instances where one with a gun was stopped by another with a gun.
Why do you want to disarm victims?
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Frankly, it doesn't matter. The second amendment of the bill or rights allows gun ownership.
If i can just tweek your response, the 2nd amendment affirms the right that is god given unalienable.

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If i can just tweek your response, the 2nd amendment affirms the right that is god given unalienable.
thank you, as are ALL of the Bill of Rights.
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If i can just tweek your response, the 2nd amendment affirms the right that is god given unalienable.
The 'left'? They are both aliens, and not right or about rights!!!
That is why they go by being the left!
Left out, left field, left not right, etc...

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Topix should not allow children on this site.

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So are you saying the "people" only have freedom of speech when more than one person is present or the people don't have relifious freedom when by themselves?
The following wording-
'A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms for the common defense, shall not be infringed.'
was voted down by the Senate and " for the common defense" was removed from the final wording of the 2nd Amendment.
"Annals of the First Senate."(1820)
Library of Congress
Research -David T.Hardy
"They [the proposed amendments] relate first to private rights .."
James Madison
The first amendment simply says the government cannot curtail the right to free speech. The only mention of "the people" in the amendment has to do with peaceful assembly, something difficult to do by a single individual.

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Frankly, it doesn't matter. The second amendment of the bill or rights allows gun ownership.
And with your second amendment rights comes responsibilities and accountability for your actions. Your right to bear arms has limitations. It does not mean you can own a tank or a cruise missle, yet they are weapons. If you want assault weapons join the military which will then give you access to those kinds of weapons. BTW Even the military has limitation. They can not just do as they please, as they too have to answer to the President and Congress.

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Objection non-responsive
sir please answer the question.
I suggest you plead insanity for your client.

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The State Constitution here recognizes the INDIVIDUAL RIGHT, what do you say to that?
The federal constitution also recognizes an individual right, but only as part of a well-regulated militia, not as John Dillinger.

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There are instances where one with a gun was stopped by another with a gun.
Why do you want to disarm victims?
Those are few and far between. Why do you want to continue letting the criminals have the guns? BTW it is NOT non gun owners that are supplying criminals with guns!
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<quoted text>I suggest you plead insanity for your client.
Lawrena, I suggest you quite fooling around on the internet and get back to work before you get fired yet again.

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Section IV.-- The Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
... The Right is General.-- It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been elsewhere explained, consists of those persons who, under the law, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon. But the law may make provision for the enrolment of all who are fit to perform military duty, or of a small number only, or it may wholly omit to make any provision at all; and if the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of this guaranty might be defeated altogether by the action or neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. But this enables the government to have a well regulated militia; for to bear arms implies something more than the mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use; in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms, observing in doing so the laws of public order.
Thomas Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law (1880)
Thomas McIntyre Cooley, LL.D., was the 25th Justice and a Chief Justice of the Michigan Supreme Court, between 1864 and 1885. He was a charter member, and first chairman, of the Interstate Commerce Commission.
In 1877, Justice Cooley was appointed visiting faculty, by Sir William Osler, to the Johns Hopkins University. Cooley was appointed Dean of the University of Michigan Law School, a position he held until 1884.
Thomas M. Cooley Law School of Lansing, Michigan was named after Justice Cooley to recognize his contribution to American jurisprudence. A
Justice Cooley is recognized by the State Bar of Michigan as a "Michigan Legal Milestone".
I appreciate your efforts to back up your opinions with research. However, I think the author you cite makes my point more effectively than he does yours.

The writer correctly defines a well-regulated militia. He also asserts that ownership of the firearm demands proper training in its use, toward "observing the laws of public order". At no point does he allege that an individual person constitutes a militia.

I do think the writer was trying to stretch the meaning of the second amendment to fit his personal biases, but in my opinion at least, he was not successul.

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Now you explain what you think it means.
I asked first.

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"The Second Amendment declares by implication that if the "MILITIA" is not "WELL REGULATED" by "PEOPLE" keeping and bearing arms, the "MILITIA" becomes a threat to the "SECURITY OF A FREE STATE."
The "MILITIA" has no "RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS" in the Second Amendment, rather it is only "THE RIGHT OF THE ""PEOPLE"" TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS (that) SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." "
"The people" is meant collectively, not individually. Elsewhere in the constitution, the phrase, "the people" is clearly meant in a collective sense, even as early as in the preamble, i.e. "We the People......"

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<quoted text>I asked first.
You did... I answered... then I asked you... So now what's your problem?

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The bill of rights is a limit on goverment power, the people are free to do as they please, their freedom to do ends where another ones rights begins.
If a deranged person is considered free to own a firearm, that's where my rights begin.

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