Opinion: Gun violence is public healt...

Opinion: Gun violence is public health epidemic

There are 20 comments on the CNN story from Nov 8, 2013, titled Opinion: Gun violence is public health epidemic. In it, CNN reports that:

"Don't know if you heard reports of shots fired in Paramus Garden State Plaza -- suspect in body armor and carrying long rifle."

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#1 Nov 8, 2013
People think they can solve the problems of the world with guns. It isn't working very well.

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#2 Nov 9, 2013
Hey look at the judgments? Some dolt won't even discuss this. He thinks Dirty Harry solves all the problems of the world. LMAO

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#3 Nov 12, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
Hey look at the judgments? Some dolt won't even discuss this. He thinks Dirty Harry solves all the problems of the world. LMAO
Guns or violence of any kind is not what one uses to solve problems. Guns or violence of any kind is a last resort when all else fails. The right of self-defense is one of the most important and basic human rights but we are only justified in using deadly force in self-defense if we are threatened with deadly force. We should try putting some effort into criminal/psycho control and stop wasting time, money, and effort placing unconstitutional restrictions on law abiding citizens. Criminals/psychos pay no attention to "gun control" yet they are responsible for 90%(or more) of violent crimes. If we start locking up the criminals and institutionalizing the psychos and keeping them locked up instead of putting them right back on the streets to commit more violent crimes, our violent crime rate would drop drastically. Liberal policies and liberal judges have populated our streets with all manner of robbers and killers. Attack the root of the problem, the criminals/psychos, if you really want to reduce the violence.

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#4 Nov 12, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Guns or violence of any kind is not what one uses to solve problems. Guns or violence of any kind is a last resort when all else fails. The right of self-defense is one of the most important and basic human rights but we are only justified in using deadly force in self-defense if we are threatened with deadly force. We should try putting some effort into criminal/psycho control and stop wasting time, money, and effort placing unconstitutional restrictions on law abiding citizens. Criminals/psychos pay no attention to "gun control" yet they are responsible for 90%(or more) of violent crimes. If we start locking up the criminals and institutionalizing the psychos and keeping them locked up instead of putting them right back on the streets to commit more violent crimes, our violent crime rate would drop drastically. Liberal policies and liberal judges have populated our streets with all manner of robbers and killers. Attack the root of the problem, the criminals/psychos, if you really want to reduce the violence.
How are you going to control criminals/psychos?

That's an interesting concept. Most experts would agree that we need to find the causes of people going into crime and address those issues. What we do now is support the criminal justice system and the revolving door. The criminal justice system feeds on itself getting bigger and bigger every day. Psychos need to be locked up. Nothing changes them. I don't know about how you feel, but if I were a cop, I wouldn't want someone shooting at me with an assault rifle, would you?

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#5 Nov 13, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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How are you going to control criminals/psychos?
That's an interesting concept. Most experts would agree that we need to find the causes of people going into crime and address those issues. What we do now is support the criminal justice system and the revolving door. The criminal justice system feeds on itself getting bigger and bigger every day. Psychos need to be locked up. Nothing changes them. I don't know about how you feel, but if I were a cop, I wouldn't want someone shooting at me with an assault rifle, would you?
I'm not a cop and I've had people shooting at me with assault rifles.......it's no fun. What I'm talking about is the fact that the vast majority of violent crime is committed by individuals who have a prior history of violent behavior and/or psychotic behavior. The murderers or mass shooters who do not have any history of violence or dementia are the minority. Having a history of violence or mental issues means that those individuals have come to the attention of the criminal justice system, the mental health system, or both.....probably on numerous occasions. Seems to me that there is where we need to work harder.

As to the "assault rifle". The "assault rifles" legally available to the public right now aren't even true assault rifles. They are semi-automatic versions of true assault rifles and are basically no different than your grandpa's semi-auto hunting rifle. They do have large capacity magazines but any semi-auto hunting rifle that uses a detachable box magazine (they are usually 4 to 8 rounds) can easily be fitted with an larger capacity mag. I don't have a problem with honest law abiding citizens choosing to own that kind of weapon, it's the criminals/psychos that I have a problem with. The vast majority of gun crime is committed by individuals who, as a result of their prior criminal record or documented mental instability are already prohibited from possessing firearms. I find it difficult to believe that any further prohibitions, which have a negative impact on all law abiding citizens, will change the ability of criminals/psychos obtain firearms. They obtain them illegally now and logic dictates that they will continue to do so in spite of any new prohibitions. IMHO

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#6 Nov 13, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not a cop and I've had people shooting at me with assault rifles.......it's no fun. What I'm talking about is the fact that the vast majority of violent crime is committed by individuals who have a prior history of violent behavior and/or psychotic behavior. The murderers or mass shooters who do not have any history of violence or dementia are the minority. Having a history of violence or mental issues means that those individuals have come to the attention of the criminal justice system, the mental health system, or both.....probably on numerous occasions. Seems to me that there is where we need to work harder.
As to the "assault rifle". The "assault rifles" legally available to the public right now aren't even true assault rifles. They are semi-automatic versions of true assault rifles and are basically no different than your grandpa's semi-auto hunting rifle. They do have large capacity magazines but any semi-auto hunting rifle that uses a detachable box magazine (they are usually 4 to 8 rounds) can easily be fitted with an larger capacity mag. I don't have a problem with honest law abiding citizens choosing to own that kind of weapon, it's the criminals/psychos that I have a problem with. The vast majority of gun crime is committed by individuals who, as a result of their prior criminal record or documented mental instability are already prohibited from possessing firearms. I find it difficult to believe that any further prohibitions, which have a negative impact on all law abiding citizens, will change the ability of criminals/psychos obtain firearms. They obtain them illegally now and logic dictates that they will continue to do so in spite of any new prohibitions. IMHO
I have to agree with you on all counts. Well thought out post.
otter space

Paramus, NJ

#7 Nov 14, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not a cop and I've had people shooting at me with assault rifles.......it's no fun. What I'm talking about is the fact that the vast majority of violent crime is committed by individuals who have a prior history of violent behavior and/or psychotic behavior. The murderers or mass shooters who do not have any history of violence or dementia are the minority. Having a history of violence or mental issues means that those individuals have come to the attention of the criminal justice system, the mental health system, or both.....probably on numerous occasions. Seems to me that there is where we need to work harder.
As to the "assault rifle". The "assault rifles" legally available to the public right now aren't even true assault rifles. They are semi-automatic versions of true assault rifles and are basically no different than your grandpa's semi-auto hunting rifle. They do have large capacity magazines but any semi-auto hunting rifle that uses a detachable box magazine (they are usually 4 to 8 rounds) can easily be fitted with an larger capacity mag. I don't have a problem with honest law abiding citizens choosing to own that kind of weapon, it's the criminals/psychos that I have a problem with. The vast majority of gun crime is committed by individuals who, as a result of their prior criminal record or documented mental instability are already prohibited from possessing firearms. I find it difficult to believe that any further prohibitions, which have a negative impact on all law abiding citizens, will change the ability of criminals/psychos obtain firearms. They obtain them illegally now and logic dictates that they will continue to do so in spite of any new prohibitions. IMHO
WHY DID PEOPLE SHOOT AT YOU WITH ASSAULT RIFLES

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#8 Nov 14, 2013
otter space wrote:
<quoted text>WHY DID PEOPLE SHOOT AT YOU WITH ASSAULT RIFLES
Because they were wearing different uniforms than the one I was wearing and it was their job to shoot me just as it was my job to shoot them. To make it worse, they had machine guns too! It's called war. Just a nasty business all the way around so never get involved in one if you can help it.

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#9 Nov 14, 2013
otter space wrote:
<quoted text>WHY DID PEOPLE SHOOT AT YOU WITH ASSAULT RIFLES
BTW, I forgot to mention, I love your screen name.

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#10 Nov 14, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Because they were wearing different uniforms than the one I was wearing and it was their job to shoot me just as it was my job to shoot them. To make it worse, they had machine guns too! It's called war. Just a nasty business all the way around so never get involved in one if you can help it.
If might be fun until you and your buddies start getting hurt. Then reality sets in that you are fighting to make the other poor dumb bastard die for his country otherwise you will be dying for your country instead. Is it kinda like this?

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#11 Nov 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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If might be fun until you and your buddies start getting hurt. Then reality sets in that you are fighting to make the other poor dumb bastard die for his country otherwise you will be dying for your country instead. Is it kinda like this?
No, it wasn't fun even in the beginning. I don't think I've ever felt so scared or so alone in all my life but you either master your fear and use what you were taught in training or your worst fears come true......you get killed, wounded, or captured. The Viet Nam war had been going on long enough when I went that there were no illusions, I knew it was going to be a shitbath. Like I said, war is a nasty business all the way around. I went when I was called, I did my duty to the best of my ability, and I made it home alive. There were many who didn't return. Sometimes I wonder how I made it back, it was never a sure thing. If you've never been in combat, it's hard to explain to you how I feel about it. I would do it again if called upon but I wouldn't like it one single bit.

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#12 Nov 15, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>No, it wasn't fun even in the beginning. I don't think I've ever felt so scared or so alone in all my life but you either master your fear and use what you were taught in training or your worst fears come true......you get killed, wounded, or captured. The Viet Nam war had been going on long enough when I went that there were no illusions, I knew it was going to be a shitbath. Like I said, war is a nasty business all the way around. I went when I was called, I did my duty to the best of my ability, and I made it home alive. There were many who didn't return. Sometimes I wonder how I made it back, it was never a sure thing. If you've never been in combat, it's hard to explain to you how I feel about it. I would do it again if called upon but I wouldn't like it one single bit.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I know what you mean about fear. Even in other situations, were we find ourselves in a fearful situation, the best way to handle it is to do what we would do if we were not afraid. Thanks for serving our country.

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#13 Nov 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I know what you mean about fear. Even in other situations, were we find ourselves in a fearful situation, the best way to handle it is to do what we would do if we were not afraid. Thanks for serving our country.
Courage is not the absence of fear, courage is continuing to do your job or what needs to be done in spite of your fear. You just described it a bit differently. No thanks necessary but appreciated.

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#14 Nov 15, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Courage is not the absence of fear, courage is continuing to do your job or what needs to be done in spite of your fear. You just described it a bit differently. No thanks necessary but appreciated.
Yea. I can see that. Would you say doing you job also helps keep your mind focused and out of the fear mode? It seems a person paralyzed by fear is one who can only focus on fear instead of doing what they need to otherwise do.

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#15 Nov 16, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
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Yea. I can see that. Would you say doing you job also helps keep your mind focused and out of the fear mode? It seems a person paralyzed by fear is one who can only focus on fear instead of doing what they need to otherwise do.
I think that might be a big part of it. The human mind and how it works is still 80% mystery. Fear in it's purest form is a survival mechanism, a basic instinct. In that basic form fear has only two responses; fight or flight. Add to that the human imagination and you have a potent brew. I believe that focusing on the task at hand helps us keep our imagination (folks do tend to imagine the worst in times of great fear)from ruling our thoughts. Does that make sense?

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#16 Nov 16, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>I think that might be a big part of it. The human mind and how it works is still 80% mystery. Fear in it's purest form is a survival mechanism, a basic instinct. In that basic form fear has only two responses; fight or flight. Add to that the human imagination and you have a potent brew. I believe that focusing on the task at hand helps us keep our imagination (folks do tend to imagine the worst in times of great fear)from ruling our thoughts. Does that make sense?
Exactly. Well said.
Boris

Matawan, NJ

#19 Oct 29, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
People think they can solve the problems of the world with guns. It isn't working very well.
Worked for centuries.Did you mean something else.

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#20 Oct 29, 2014
Boris wrote:
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Worked for centuries.Did you mean something else.
Never solved anything. Just killed a bunch of people.

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#21 Nov 3, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Never solved anything. Just killed a bunch of people.
can't agree more, In modern society, the Gun violence not solve anything,just killing&#65292;no meaning
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#22 Nov 3, 2014
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can't agree more, In modern society, the Gun violence not solve anything,just killing&#65292;no meaning
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