Lesotho's people plead with South Afr...

Lesotho's people plead with South Africa to annex their troubled country

There are 326 comments on the Guardian Unlimited story from Jun 5, 2010, titled Lesotho's people plead with South Africa to annex their troubled country. In it, Guardian Unlimited reports that:

Popular campaign grows within the HIV-stricken monarchy to relinquish independence and accept rule from Pretoria Street children playing football in Maseru, the capital of Lesotho.

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Moon Cricket

Fraser, MI

#316 Oct 21, 2013
Why can't the blacks in South Africa, Zimbabwe, and to an extent, Namibia realize, and accept that they NEED whites to help them run their country? At least for the next few decades. Let the whites show them how to run a stable government, and to at least limit corruption to the point of not eroding the entire economy, and grinding it to bits.

They need whites in the following areas: Governance, agriculture (ESPECIALLY HERE - the white farmers in Southern Africa - the Boers, are the best f-ing farmers in the entire world!- now I agree there should be land reform - but let the whites teach the blacks how to farm, and simply give the poor blacks who ahve been working with them for years part of their farms. And teach other PEASANTS, not rich politicians and their cronies, how to farm, and give them like 50 acres or so to farm for themselves, and commercially), military, and architecture/engineering.

Now let's be real, on average, black people do not possess the intelligence required to be engineers, scientists, surgeons, and pilots. But there's enough smart blacks (simple bell curve) to learn to do these tasks if they are willing to learn from the white man.

Look, it's not racist to just admit the truth - blacks and whiles, while both humans deserving of equal rights, are DIFFERENT in certain areas. Blacks are more prone to be more athletic, and whites more intelligence, with ability to organize. It's too general, and not technically correct to say whites are "smarter," per se, HOWEVER, the TYPE OF INTELLIGENCE that is required to produce a successful first world country in today's world, is where blacks are lesser than whites (and whites a bit lesser than northern Asians like Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese).

BOTSWANA IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF AN AFRICAN COUNTRY THAT IS ON THE ROAD TO SUCCESS BECAUSE THEY LISTEN TO, AND LEARN FROM WHITES! THEY SHOULD BE A MODEL FOR THE REST OF AFRICA!

Lesotho - invite all the white farmers, and whites to help you in govenrment, and engineering. Let it be known that it's a black country, and eventually will be yours to govern fully, but let the whites come in and get you on proper track!

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#317 Oct 21, 2013
Moon Cricket wrote:
Why can't the blacks in South Africa, Zimbabwe, and to an extent, Namibia realize, and accept that they NEED whites to help them run their country? At least for the next few decades. Let the whites show them how to run a stable government, and to at least limit corruption to the point of not eroding the entire economy, and grinding it to bits.
They need whites in the following areas: Governance, agriculture (ESPECIALLY HERE - the white farmers in Southern Africa - the Boers, are the best f-ing farmers in the entire world!- now I agree there should be land reform - but let the whites teach the blacks how to farm, and simply give the poor blacks who ahve been working with them for years part of their farms. And teach other PEASANTS, not rich politicians and their cronies, how to farm, and give them like 50 acres or so to farm for themselves, and commercially), military, and architecture/engineering.
Now let's be real, on average, black people do not possess the intelligence required to be engineers, scientists, surgeons, and pilots. But there's enough smart blacks (simple bell curve) to learn to do these tasks if they are willing to learn from the white man.
Look, it's not racist to just admit the truth - blacks and whiles, while both humans deserving of equal rights, are DIFFERENT in certain areas. Blacks are more prone to be more athletic, and whites more intelligence, with ability to organize. It's too general, and not technically correct to say whites are "smarter," per se, HOWEVER, the TYPE OF INTELLIGENCE that is required to produce a successful first world country in today's world, is where blacks are lesser than whites (and whites a bit lesser than northern Asians like Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese).
BOTSWANA IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF AN AFRICAN COUNTRY THAT IS ON THE ROAD TO SUCCESS BECAUSE THEY LISTEN TO, AND LEARN FROM WHITES! THEY SHOULD BE A MODEL FOR THE REST OF AFRICA!
Lesotho - invite all the white farmers, and whites to help you in govenrment, and engineering. Let it be known that it's a black country, and eventually will be yours to govern fully, but let the whites come in and get you on proper track!
Lol, you have just said nothing. I am an engineer and your white engineers know nothing. They work hard instead of smart. They can't update their revisions on drawings. I always have to remind them as a Project Manager.

They give me half cooked design reports and I have to edit the reports for them.

“Aowa”

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#320 Oct 22, 2013
Lesotho will be fine ultimately. Most Basotho youth are getting quality education in South Africa and abroad. This is a good start. This beautiful country should not be handed over to nobody, Moshoeshoe fought so hard to retain it.

“Aowa”

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#321 Oct 22, 2013
Sash_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, you have just said nothing. I am an engineer and your white engineers know nothing. They work hard instead of smart. They can't update their revisions on drawings. I always have to remind them as a Project Manager.
They give me half cooked design reports and I have to edit the reports for them.
Haaa haaa!

Since: Mar 13

Europe

#323 Oct 22, 2013
Thabo 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Haaa haaa!
Khilik!
Lenonyane

Lesotho

#324 Oct 22, 2013
The only thing that this poor news editor ought to have done, instead of writting this stupid story, was to tell South Africa to return our conquered land which they name Orange Free State. If South Africans had not robbed us of our land (Free state) there would be no need to write this bogus story. The entire province of Orange Free State which the South Africans are selfishly mining and farming is our land hence we are left with this small portion.

Nxa, akha. Racist publisher.
Lenonyane

Lesotho

#325 Oct 22, 2013
Reverend Ashcroft wrote:
I think the Lesothon people are making the wrong move to ask to be integrated with SA.
This will only increase their problems and make them worse.
If lesotho wants to make any progress, and even become a showcase for the whole Africa, they should ask the white Europeans to run and govern their country. This is the only guarantee of progress.
South Africa became a prosperous country because it was governed by whites, and is worse now because the whites gave the power over to SA blacks.
So Lesothons should learn this lesson if they don't want to go from bad to worse under black SA rule.
The same happened in Zimbabwe and other African nations when the local blacks took over government from the whites. They went overnight from rich nations to poor and starving nations.
Lesothons should not make the same mistake. For their own sake they must ask whites to govern and run their country. Pride is nor worth anything when you are poor and starving.
You missed the entire lot of History. South Africa did not get rich because they were governed by pink, alias white human beings. Rather they got rich because they took the land of indegenous countries including that of Lesotho. They took our land and named it Orange Free State Province. They took Swazi land and named it Mpumalanga province. Punk!!!

“ * Ich bin wieder da*”

Since: Jul 12

Makoeteng

#326 Oct 22, 2013
Lenonyane wrote:
The only thing that this poor news editor ought to have done, instead of writting this stupid story, was to tell South Africa to return our conquered land which they name Orange Free State. If South Africans had not robbed us of our land (Free state) there would be no need to write this bogus story. The entire province of Orange Free State which the South Africans are selfishly mining and farming is our land hence we are left with this small portion.
Nxa, akha. Racist publisher.
hai .......

“ * Ich bin wieder da*”

Since: Jul 12

Makoeteng

#327 Oct 22, 2013
Thabo 2 wrote:
Lesotho will be fine ultimately. Most Basotho youth are getting quality education in South Africa and abroad. This is a good start. This beautiful country should not be handed over to nobody, Moshoeshoe fought so hard to retain it.
Somebody once said we all want to believe in impossible things to persuade ourselves that miracles can happen. In the case of Lesotho, no miracle will happen. The country is in a predicament position.

“Your dog”

Since: Sep 13

is your best friend!

#329 Oct 22, 2013
Sash_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, you have just said nothing. I am an engineer and your white engineers know nothing. They work hard instead of smart. They can't update their revisions on drawings. I always have to remind them as a Project Manager.
They give me half cooked design reports and I have to edit the reports for them.
Interesting that white engineers know nothing. Please elaborate on this as I cannot believe that bona fide degrees would be given to people who know nothing. Are these Lesotho or South african engineers or just all white engineers only?

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#331 Oct 23, 2013
petervarious wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting that white engineers know nothing. Please elaborate on this as I cannot believe that bona fide degrees would be given to people who know nothing. Are these Lesotho or South african engineers or just all white engineers only?
White engineers that I manage. South africans. Some of them are "Directors" Do you want their names?

A degree does not mean you know anything. Experience does dude.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#332 Oct 23, 2013
Lenonyane wrote:
<quoted text>
You missed the entire lot of History. South Africa did not get rich because they were governed by pink, alias white human beings. Rather they got rich because they took the land of indegenous countries including that of Lesotho. They took our land and named it Orange Free State Province. They took Swazi land and named it Mpumalanga province. Punk!!!
Atjhe,ose ole raditoro jwale.

“Never settle for second place!”

Since: Sep 13

Bloemfontein

#333 Oct 23, 2013
Thabo 2 wrote:
Lesotho will be fine ultimately. Most Basotho youth are getting quality education in South Africa and abroad. This is a good start. This beautiful country should not be handed over to nobody, Moshoeshoe fought so hard to retain it.
How long will it take? You have been acquiring qualifications for decades but you still cant run your country properly! If you can run a referundum, I am telling you 90% of Lesotho citizens will not think twice to be part of South Africa. The fact is Moshoeshoe never thought that he would leave behind people who cant protect their resources.Viva Lesotho the 10th province of South Africa viva!
Lenonyane

Lesotho

#334 Oct 23, 2013
Thabo 2 wrote:
Lesotho will be fine ultimately. Most Basotho youth are getting quality education in South Africa and abroad. This is a good start. This beautiful country should not be handed over to nobody, Moshoeshoe fought so hard to retain it.
They not getting it, rather they are buying it. We pay heavily for that education. We buy it. Rea e reka, so it is utter rubbish that we are "getting" it because it gives false imoression that we get that education for free when in fact, truth be told, we are buying that education at a price way much higher than what the south africans pay for the same education.

Ironically, we Lesotho sold education to refegee south africans at the same price as our local Basotho during the so-called struggle in RSA. When they finally got freedom the first thing that the black government did was to increase the price for education for Basotho.

So, ke kopa u hlatsoe kelello ea hau e foquoeng mashano le lithetso tsa hore "Lesotho gets" education from RSA. Actually the poor tax payers in Lesotho pay for that education. Rea e reka. Just like we buy good education from USA and UK. Havard, Stanford and Cambridge sell good education and buyers including Basotho buy education from Havard, Stanford, and Cambridge.
Nxa.

“Your dog”

Since: Sep 13

is your best friend!

#335 Oct 25, 2013
Sash_ wrote:
<quoted text>
White engineers that I manage. South africans. Some of them are "Directors" Do you want their names?
A degree does not mean you know anything. Experience does dude.
So your white engineers know nothing, do you have black engineers? I suppose they know much more and have more experience and are much more efficient? Dude!

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#336 Oct 25, 2013
petervarious wrote:
<quoted text> So your white engineers know nothing, do you have black engineers? I suppose they know much more and have more experience and are much more efficient? Dude!
What kind of a question is do we have black engineers? I am one of them and have more than 17 years experience.

I never said all our white engineers know nothing.

Now stop believing that blacks can't be engineers or doctors and I quote:
Moon Cricket wrote:
Now let's be real, on average, black people do not possess the intelligence required to be engineers, scientists, surgeons, and pilots. But there's enough smart blacks (simple bell curve) to learn to do these tasks if they are willing to learn from the white man.
The above statement is incorrect and I request that you withdraw it.
cosanostra

Europe

#337 Oct 25, 2013
Lesotho should just stop being stubborn and join SA, we're the same people and can mutually benefit from uniting. There are more illegal immigrants in SA than the whole Lesotho population. Lesotho is landlocked, how many Lesotho citizens have even seen the ocean?
petervarious

Johannesburg, South Africa

#338 Oct 25, 2013
Sash_ wrote:
<quoted text>
What kind of a question is do we have black engineers? I am one of them and have more than 17 years experience.
I never said all our white engineers know nothing.
Now stop believing that blacks can't be engineers or doctors and I quote:
<quoted text>
The above statement is incorrect and I request that you withdraw it.
You said, and I quote'white engineers know nothing' You never said 'some' white engineers know nothing. I also never said or inferred blacks cannot be engineers or doctors. I also never asked if there are black engineers, I asked if YOU had black engineers working for you. I grow tired of quibbling over misunderstood details. eengineers are supposed to be accurate and pat attention to detail!!

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#339 Oct 25, 2013
petervarious wrote:
<quoted text> You said, and I quote'white engineers know nothing' You never said 'some' white engineers know nothing. I also never said or inferred blacks cannot be engineers or doctors. I also never asked if there are black engineers, I asked if YOU had black engineers working for you. I grow tired of quibbling over misunderstood details. eengineers are supposed to be accurate and pat attention to detail!!
When did you arrive in Pretoria?

You did not need to say blacks can't be doctors. The fact that you ignored Moon Cricket's comments and chose to ask me about white engineers says a lot about what you think about blacks. That is what I call paying attention to detail.

Lastly, show me where you asked if there are black engineers working under me. I might have missed that detail.
petervarious

Johannesburg, South Africa

#340 Oct 25, 2013
Sash_ wrote:
<quoted text>
When did you arrive in Pretoria?
You did not need to say blacks can't be doctors. The fact that you ignored Moon Cricket's comments and chose to ask me about white engineers says a lot about what you think about blacks. That is what I call paying attention to detail.
Lastly, show me where you asked if there are black engineers working under me. I might have missed that detail.
On my reply 13hrs ago I asked 'do you have black engineers?' Meaning do YOU have black engineers, not Lesotho as a whole. Also I chose not to reply to mooncrickets comments because they appeared ludicrous to me.

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