HK opposes Sichuan quake aid over cor...

HK opposes Sichuan quake aid over corruption fears

There are 34 comments on the Seattle Times story from Apr 24, 2013, titled HK opposes Sichuan quake aid over corruption fears. In it, Seattle Times reports that:

Hong Kong lawmakers fiercely opposed a plan Wednesday to donate money to a Chinese provincial government for earthquake victims, underlining widespread public concerns about mainland corruption.

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2faces

Guangzhou, China

#1 Apr 24, 2013
Hong Kong is 100% correct. China's communist party showed the world how corrupt it truly was after the 2008 Sichuan earthquake. There was substandard materials and poor construction practices which caused many deaths especially of school children. The Chinese communist party stole and pocketed large amounts of the world donated monies that was donated to help the Chinese people who suffered during the disaster. Even the Chinese communist party Red Cross was involved in stealing donated money and had to stand aside while the International Red Cross stepped in to add creditability
Paul Wong

Canada

#3 Apr 24, 2013
Hong Kong's USA- and Britain-backed democrats try to politicise everything to destabilise HK, even when HK people raise money to help the victims of earthquake in the mainland. The hidden agenda is to seize every opportunity to go aganist Beijing.

The minority in HK has hijacked to silent majority.

Within just 2 days, HK raised 120 million HK$ for the victims in Sichuan. Despite the trouble stirred by the pro-British and American factions (minority in HK)in recent years, most HK people still know they are Chinese (even though many of them are not supporting any political parties).

They know that USA and Britain are not sincere and they just try hard to sabotage HK.

How much support do these so-called "democrats" get from HK people?

They threw bananas and objects at other official and the chief executive in the legislative and executive councils. Each time the councils are in session, they do their show again. The more extreme factions led under Wong Yuk Man, and Chan Wai Yip are promoting more violence nowadays. Do you guys including American and British govts look into Wong's background?

Surprisingly, the American Consulate General in HK explicitly threw his support behind these extreme "democrat" factions.

These extreme factions celebrate the Opium War and the Treaty of Nanking and the ceding of Hong Kong to Great Britain. How many Hong Kong people like them?

USA and GB always espouse their version of human rights and democracy.

Why do they support the violent factions in HK?

Do they know that most people in HK do not like these violent factions?

Hong Kong people just want to live quietly and do not want to jeopardize the economy and stability of HK. Even less want to blatantly go against Beijing as long as HK's rule of law is intact. In fact, unlike what these faction and BBC, and CNN say, Beijing does not want to interfere into HK affairs (except on sovereignty and national security issues.)

These extreme factions got so violent and narrow-minded that even Martin Lee Chu Ming had to take back his opinion 2 weeks ago and apologized to these extremists. The mild democrats are being jeopardized too.

USA and Great Britain, please do not create another Iraq in HK.

If GB was sincere, why did GB give HK people true democracy during 150 British rule. In fact, the demand for democracy and 1 vote per person had been suprressed by the British.(Double standards of Britain and western media)

Unfortunately, 2 years after 1997, GB, USA, CNN and BBC slammed China for not giving HK people the 1 vote per person arrangement. Why did they remain silent for 150 years?

They expect that China can do in 2 years what the GB failed to do in 150 years!?

Of course, HK people are supportive of the rule of law and anti-corruption campaigns of HK and the mainland.

HK people has the right to demand Beijing to keep an eye on all donation money to make sure it is used properly.

But HK people do not want to politicise everything and use it as an anti-Beijing gimmick.

At last I want to remind the so-called democrats about the donations that HK people made to help Indonesian tsunami victims. The amount of money involved is huge. Why are democrats so silent on this amonunt? Is the money used properly to help Indonesians?

Why do they oppose everything?(Ex: building high speed rail and bridge to connect HK with the mainland, and Macao. Objection to such infrastructure projects is killing HK's economy slowly. We do not want rotten nasty Taiwan-style democracy in HK.

The so-called (British and American-backed) "democrats" are just a minority in HK. Unfortunately, most HK people do not care about politics but their own livelihood, and the British and American media is not interested in reporting what the silent majority think.
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#4 Apr 24, 2013
Giving anything towards anything controlled by the corrupt CCP is always a mistake.

It would likely be used to hire thugs to beat the grieving parents of children killed in badly-constructed-due-to-CCP-c orruption-schools just like the last time!

See the lying Chinese Communist Party scumbag above trying to bizarrely blame "the US and UK" for the FACT that the Chinese Communist Party is HATED in Hong Kong DUE TO ITS OWN INCOMPETENCE and INABILITY TO TOLERATE AN OPEN SOCIETY and due to its CRUDE, THUGGISH, CRIMINAL DICTATORSHIP?

Poor China.
Willy

Edmonton, Canada

#5 Apr 24, 2013
The first commenter posted from Guangdong, China.

So Topix is not banned there?

Since: Mar 08

Canada

#6 Apr 24, 2013
Willy wrote:
The first commenter posted from Guangdong, China.
So Topix is not banned there?
I was surprised when I was able to access and post on Topix when I was in China one and half years ago. Many things were different from what people described here.
CHINA HUMILIATED by CCP

Surrey, Canada

#7 Apr 24, 2013
Topix, along with most news sites is censored in China. It can be accessed only from one of the big hotels or a few other places where the censorship is relaxed to fool the foreigners.

The employees of the Chinese Communist Party "Wu Mao Dang" are allowed access to overseas sites to post propaganda for the dictatorship, but as you probably have noticed if you follow this forum, almost every Chinese who posts the facts about the CCP regime is quickly cut off and never heard from again.

I think that first post is from an expat in GZ who has found a way around the censorship system, but if he continues to post the truth about the CCP, he will likely soon be cut off. Pity.
CCP are WEAK as QING

Surrey, Canada

#8 Apr 24, 2013
Juran wrote:
<quoted text>
I was surprised when I was able to access and post on Topix when I was in China one and half years ago. Many things were different from what people described here.
Topix, along with most news sites is censored in China. It can be accessed only from one of the big hotels or a few other places where the censorship is relaxed to fool the foreigners.

Fooled YOU, eh?
Willy

Edmonton, Canada

#9 Apr 24, 2013
CCP are WEAK as QING wrote:
<quoted text>
Topix, along with most news sites is censored in China. It can be accessed only from one of the big hotels or a few other places where the censorship is relaxed to fool the foreigners.
Fooled YOU, eh?
You got caught lying again.
CHINA SPRING

Surrey, Canada

#10 Apr 24, 2013
Willy wrote:
<quoted text>You got caught lying again.
No, that would be YOU.

Here, read up and fill that empty boot-licker's head of yours:

Censorship in the People's Republic of China (PRC) is implemented or mandated by the PRC's ruling party, the Communist Party of China (CPC). Notable censored subjects include but are not limited to, democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, Maoism, Falun Gong, ethnic independence movements, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, food safety, pornography, news sources that report on these issues, religious content, and many other websites.[1]
Censored media include essentially all capable of reaching a wide audience including television, print media, radio, film, theater, text messaging, instant messaging, video games, literature and the Internet. Chinese officials have access to uncensored information via an internal document system. Reporters Without Borders ranks China's press situation as "very serious", the worst ranking on their five-point scale.[2] China's Internet censorship policy is labeled as "pervasive" by the OpenNet Initiative's global Internet filtering map, also the worst ranking used.[3] Freedom House ranks the press there as "not free", the worst ranking, saying that "state control over the news media in China is achieved through a complex combination of party monitoring of news content, legal restrictions on journalists, and financial incentives for self-censorship."[4]

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CHINA SPRING

Surrey, Canada

#11 Apr 24, 2013
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Subject matter and agenda

Censorship in the PRC encompasses a wide range of subject matter. The agendas behind such censorship are varied; some are stated outright by the Chinese government itself and some are surmised by observers inside and out of the country.
According to the South China Morning Post, the Chinese government issues orders on a regular basis to 'guide' coverage of individual sensitive issues. Media organisations thus submit to self-censorship, or run the risk of being closed down.[5]
[edit]Political
Censorship in China is largely seen as a measure to maintain the rule of the Communist Party of China. Censorship helps prevent unapproved reformist, separatist, "counter-revolutionary ", or religious ideas, peaceful or otherwise, from organizing themselves and spreading. Additionally, censorship prevents Chinese citizens from discovering or learning more about past and current failures of the Communist Party that could create or inflame anti-government sentiment. Measures such as the blocking of foreign governments' websites may also be intended to prevent citizens from learning about alternative systems of governance and demanding similar systems.[citation needed] The PRC also bans materials showing history that conflicts with the official Chinese version, with particular sensitivity to depictions of Japan and Tibet in history.
In the lead-up to the Beijing Olympics, the government allegedly issued guidelines to the local media for reporting during the Games: political issues not directly related to the games were to be downplayed: topics such as Pro-Tibetan independence and East Turkestan movements and food safety issues such as "cancer-causing mineral water" were not to be reported on.[6] As the 2008 Chinese milk scandal broke in September 2008, some western media evoked suspicions that China's desire for a perfect games may have been a factor contributing towards the delayed recall of contaminated infant formula,[7] which has given more than 50,000 babies kidney stones and killed at least 4 infants[8] although the Central government denied this.[9]
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CHINA SPRING

Surrey, Canada

#12 Apr 24, 2013
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On 13 February 2009, Li Dongdong, a deputy chief of the General Administration of Press and Publication, announced the introduction of a series of rules and regulations to strengthen oversight and administration of news professionals and reporting activities. The regulations would include a "full database of people who engage in unhealthy professional conduct" who would be excluded from engaging in news reporting and editing work. Although the controls were ostensibly to "resolutely halt fake news", it was criticized by Li Datong, editor at the China Youth Daily who was dismissed for criticizing state censorship. Li Datong said "There really is a problem with fake reporting and reporters, but there are already plenty of ways to deal with that." Reuters said that although Communist Party's Propaganda Department micro-manages what newspapers and other media do and do not report, the government remains concerned about unrest amid the economic slowdown and the 20th anniversary of the pro-democracy protests in 1989.[10]
In January 2011, Boxun revealed that Politburo member responsible for the Propaganda Department, Li Changchun, issued instructions for the Chinese media to downplay social tensions on issues such as land prices, political reform and major disasters or incidents, and to ensure reporting does not show the Communist party negatively. The Party warned that media must “ensure that the party and government do not become the targets or focus of criticism”, and any mention of political reforms must reflect the government in a favourable light.[5]
[edit]Moral
Usually, this type of censorship is mainly used to prevent political conflicts from happening within the social environment. Usually, people are allowed to talk about politics on the internet, but certain websites containing anti-government material would be blocked. Some censorship in China has been justified as upholding proper morals. This includes limitations on pornography,[11] particularly extreme pornography, and violence in films.[12]
[edit]Cultural
The PRC (People’s Republic of China) has historically sought to use censorship to 'protect the country’s culture'. During the Cultural Revolution, foreign literature and art forms, religious works and symbols, and even artifacts of ancient Chinese culture were deemed “reactionary” and became targets for destruction by Red Guards teams[citation needed]. Although much greater cultural freedom exists in China today, continuing crackdowns on banning foreign cartoons from Chinese prime time TV, and limits on screening for foreign films could be seen as a continuation of cultural-minded censorship.
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CHINA SPRING

Surrey, Canada

#13 Apr 24, 2013
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Religious
A number of religious texts, publications, and materials are banned or have their distributions artificially limited in the PRC. Foreign citizens are also prohibited from proselytizing in China,[13] and information concerning the treatment of some religious groups is also tightly controlled.
The Falun Gong spiritual movement is subject to suppression in China, and virtually all religious texts, publications, and websites relating to the group have been banned, along with information on the imprisonment or torture of followers.[14]
Christian Bibles are allowed to be printed in China but only in limited numbers and through a single press.[15]
In 2007, anticipating the coming "Year of the Pig" in the Chinese calendar, depictions of pigs were banned from CCTV "to avoid conflicts with ethnic minorities".[16] This is believed to refer to China's population of 20 million Muslims (to whom pigs are considered "unclean").
[edit]Economic
In recent years, censorship in China has been accused of being used not only for political protectionism but also for economic protectionism.[17][18][19]
In February 2007, the website of the French organization Observatoire International des Crises was banned in the PRC after it posted an article on the risks of trading with China.[17]
"How do you assess an investment opportunity if no reliable information about social tension, corruption or local trade unions is available? This case of censorship, affecting a very specialised site with solely French-language content, shows the [Chinese] government attaches as much importance to the censorship of economic data as political content," the organization was quoted as saying.[17]
Furthermore, the official ban on most foreign films hardly affect Chinese citizens; such films can easily be acquired in copyright-infringing formats, allowing Chinese to view such films to be financially accessible while keeping their money within the domestic economy.[citation needed]Tsinghua University professor Patrick Chovanec has speculated that the Chinese ban on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube may have been done in part to grant a business advantage to the websites' Chinese competitors.[18] Similarly, China has been accused of using a double standard in attacking Google for "obscene" content that is also present on Chinese competitor Baidu.[19][20]
The 2D version of the blockbuster film Avatar was also pulled from screens in the country; reportedly for taking in too much money and seizing market share from domestic films.[21]
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CHINA SPRING

Surrey, Canada

#14 Apr 24, 2013
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Media, communication and education controls

[edit]Newspapers
On the twentieth anniversary of the pro-democracy protests in Tiananmen Square, the mainland media came under tremendous pressure from authorities. Ming Pao reported on the Publicity Department's "hitherto unimaginable extent" of pressure to screen out any related content. The journal reported two incidents in 2008 which caused official concern, but which could not be proven to be deliberate challenges: Beijing News published an image of an injured persons being taken to the hospital on 4 June; Southern Metropolis Daily reported on unusual weather in Guangdong province with the headline of "4 storms in June," which both journals insisted were due to carelessness. Some newspapers have therefore instructed their editors to refrain from using the numbers '6' and '4' in their reports during this sensitive period. Furthermore, the numbers cannot be used in the headlines lest the Publicity Department disapproved.[22]
[edit]Television
This section requires expansion.(March 2008)
Main article: Television in the People's Republic of China
Foreign and Hong Kong news broadcasts in mainland China from TVB, CNN International, BBC World Service, and Bloomberg Television are occasionally censored by being "blacked out" during controversial segments. It is reported that CNN has made an arrangement that allowed their signal to pass through a Chinese-controlled satellite. Chinese authorities have been able to censor CNN segments at any time in this way.[23] CNN's broadcasts are not widely available throughout China, but rather only in certain diplomatic compounds, hotels, and apartment blocks.[24]
Numerous content which have been blacked out has included references to the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989,[23] the Dalai Lama,[23] the death of Zhao Ziyang,[25] the 2008 Tibetan unrest,[23] the 2008 Chinese milk scandal[26] and negative developments about the Beijing Olympics.[27]
During the Summer Olympics in Beijing all Chinese TV stations were ordered to delay live broadcasts by 10 seconds, a policy that was designed to give censors time to react in case free-Tibet demonstrators or others staged political protests.[28] In January 2009, during a television report of the inauguration of U.S. President Barack Obama, the state-run China Central Television abruptly cut away from its coverage of Obama's address when he spoke of how "earlier generations faced down fascism and communism.".[29] Foreign animation is also banned from prime-time viewing hours (5 to 8 pm) to help with domestic animation production.[30][31]
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CHINA SPRING

Surrey, Canada

#16 Apr 24, 2013
There's more at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Ch...

Now, don't you look STUUUUUUPID, "Comrade Willy"??!!!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Willy

Edmonton, Canada

#17 Apr 24, 2013
Don't confuse the issues with your own interpretation and irelevant materials.

The tradition of succession is grounded in laws decreed by Emperor Chin Long and this same succession method is respected by all Tibetan Buddhist sects over centuries.

Today the Tibet separatists in exile are lying to the west because people in the west do not know the history and languages of China/Tibet. In fact, they just listen to the propaganda of the Tibet separatists.

In recent years, Dalai Lama is worrying about his succession.

Succession requires the endorsement by the higher authority but not by the existing chief lamas of each of the Tibetan Buddhism sects.

Dalai Lama wants to propose a democratic way of electing a successor in overseas now.

Do you think the Tibetan monks and people all over China will support it?

Do you thinking the Shugdens in China and overseas will shut up this time?

Stop day dreaming!

Ironically, because the people who are talking about religious freedom while in exile are in fact the same people trying to cause harm to the succession and integrity of Tibet Buddhism because of their political greed.

These former slave owners and abusers are going down in history as scoundrels for sure.

A clown like Mirotard (and his associate fake Professor Leonard) is nothing more than a clown.
Willy

Edmonton, Canada

#18 Apr 24, 2013
CHINA SPRING wrote:
There's more at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Ch...
Now, don't you look STUUUUUUPID, "Comrade Willy"??!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
What a joke?

We are not at the same level.

Your Mickey Mouse links of wikipedia etc. are not credible. Anyone can write something which they may not understand or they may want to twist because of their bias under wiki or their own blogs, or lousy forums like Topix.

Why not go back to the History of Ching Dynasty and look at the original decrees by Emperor Chin Long and his successors concerning Tibet Affairs?

Can you do it? Is it too difficult for you? Or you do not want to know?

Before I said this here, many of you Tibet separation supporters in the west don't have a clue that some documents like this have existed in the world for a long time.

Go back to kintergarden, clowns!

Since: Jun 10

Guangzhou, China

#19 Apr 25, 2013
Topix, and most sites online work fine here.
Lucifer

Columbus, OH

#20 Apr 25, 2013
No, its bloacked nearly everywhere. They are using VPN's bought by the state to mask their identitities. You an have your IP in just about any location you wish that way. There is a documented state sponsored effort to refute and comment on all China related posts in international media. The CCP believes that this will in some way correct foriegners' wrong headed thinking.
Tom

Canada

#21 Apr 25, 2013
USA also says Chinese govt backed heckers attacked USA networks.

Which country in the world has the strongest network technology and security team?
REMEMBER TIANNANMEN

Port Moody, Canada

#22 Apr 25, 2013
Lucifer wrote:
No, its bloacked nearly everywhere. They are using VPN's bought by the state to mask their identitities. You an have your IP in just about any location you wish that way. There is a documented state sponsored effort to refute and comment on all China related posts in international media. The CCP believes that this will in some way correct foriegners' wrong headed thinking.
Precisely.

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