Panchen Lama prays in Beijing over quake

Apr 23, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: People's Daily Online

The 11th Panchen Lama, Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu, held a prayer meeting on Tuesday at Yonghegong, or the Lama Temple, in downtown Beijing for victims and survivors of Lushan County's 7.0-magnitude earthquake.

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This is not the real Panchen Lama. The true Panchen Lama was kidnapped by the Chinese shortly after he was recognized by the Dalai Lama. The Chinese appointed their own "Panchen Lama" in hopes that they could control Tibetan religion, because the Panchen Lama is responsible for finding the next Dalai Lama. The Chinese have also ordered a decree that all rebirths must be approved by the government!
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Ann wrote:
This is not the real Panchen Lama. The true Panchen Lama was kidnapped by the Chinese shortly after he was recognized by the Dalai Lama. The Chinese appointed their own "Panchen Lama" in hopes that they could control Tibetan religion, because the Panchen Lama is responsible for finding the next Dalai Lama. The Chinese have also ordered a decree that all rebirths must be approved by the government!
Idiot, you are spreading lies again.

Do you understand Chinese history and the centuries-old system of succession and acertifucation for Tibetan Buddhism?

So you listen to Dalia Lama 14th's lies and think he is supreme in Buddhism and the only supreme leader in Buddhism. The fact is that he is the leader of only one faction and Panchem Lama and chief lamas of other Tibetan Buddhism are never under any Dalai Lama for the last 500 years.

Study Chinese history especially the texts written before communism came to China. Read the centuries old records to know the truth (but not Dalai Lama 14th, and the Free Tibet Movement's lies.)

The first 13 Dalai Lamas never had any right above Panchen Lamas, how come suddently Dalai Lama 14th have such power?

Who certified all the chief lamas including the 14 Dalai Lamas and Panchen Lamas in order for them to be legitimate leaders?

What I am asking is whether you know who were/are the bosses for all of them.

(Or you can read books authored by famous historians of China: Prof. Luo Xiang Lin, and Prof. Qian Mu (or Chien Mu). Who are they? Are they communists? They were those scholars whom the communists tried to capture and eventually they escaped to Hong Kong and then Taiwan.

Stop twisting our history.

If you want to know, I can tell you in the next post.
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Ann wrote:
This is not the real Panchen Lama. The true Panchen Lama was kidnapped by the Chinese shortly after he was recognized by the Dalai Lama. The Chinese appointed their own "Panchen Lama" in hopes that they could control Tibetan religion, because the Panchen Lama is responsible for finding the next Dalai Lama. The Chinese have also ordered a decree that all rebirths must be approved by the government!
Very true! This is a FAKE MONK hired by Marxist Atheists!
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See how these idiots flag my post.

May I advise you to hire an honest and competent bilingual person (Chinese-English translator/interpretor) and let him or her to read to you the ancient records documented before Karl Marx was born about Tibetan Buddhism succession and the certification process of such chief lamas.

Flagging my post and libelling me won't change the facts.

You act like ostriches!
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What counts is not what you idiots in the west think.

It is a matter of tradition for centuries.

You revise the history of China, would the Chinese people allow you to do so?

Are you ready to go against 1.3 billion in the mainland, 30 million in Hong Kong, Macao, and Taiwan, and 40 million more Chinese overseas.

I do not care about communism (versus any other political ideology such as Republic of China's). What I care is the integrity of information if it is about Chinese history.
CCP are WEAK as QING

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This is a FAKE MONK hired by Marxist Atheists!

What counts is not what the atheist idiots in the Chinese Communist Party think, BUT WHAT THE BUDDHIST TIBETAN PEOPLE THINK!

And CLEARLY, the Buddhists in Tibet want to follow their traditions and OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT HIS HOLINESS THE DALAI LAMA, not an atheist criminal regime that has murdered 70 million Chinese through political terror and incompetence!

I am indeed ready to "go against" the 70 million criminals that make up the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship that is HATED by the 7 million people in Hong Kong (I note that in spite of your claims to be some sort of expert on China, you are totally IGNORANT as to the population of Hong Kong! HA HA HA HA HA!), that is HATED by overseas Chinese everywhere, and HATED by THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN MAINLAND CHINA!

So SURE!

BRING EM ON, you Wu Mao swindler!
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It would be appreciated if we could address each other respectfully. The Buddha's teachings are dedicated to dispelling hatred, ignorance, and greed. The Dalai Lama himself does not hate the Chinese, or atheists, or anyone else, and he never encourages anyone else to.

Here is a link to information about the history of the Panchen Lama:

http://buddhism.about.com/od/Schools-of-Tibet...
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Willy wrote:
What counts is not what you idiots in the west think.
It is a matter of tradition for centuries.
You revise the history of China, would the Chinese people allow you to do so?
Are you ready to go against 1.3 billion in the mainland, 30 million in Hong Kong, Macao, and Taiwan, and 40 million more Chinese overseas.
I do not care about communism (versus any other political ideology such as Republic of China's). What I care is the integrity of information if it is about Chinese history.
What counts is not what the atheist idiots in the Chinese Communist Party think, BUT WHAT THE BUDDHIST TIBETAN PEOPLE THINK!

And CLEARLY, the Buddhists in Tibet want to follow their traditions and OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT HIS HOLINESS THE DALAI LAMA, not an atheist criminal regime that has murdered 70 million Chinese through political terror and incompetence!

I am indeed ready to "go against" the 70 million criminals that make up the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship that is HATED by the 7 million people in Hong Kong (I note that in spite of your claims to be some sort of expert on China, you are totally IGNORANT as to the population of Hong Kong! HA HA HA HA HA!), that is HATED by overseas Chinese everywhere, and HATED by THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN MAINLAND CHINA!

So SURE!

BRING EM ON, you Wu Mao swindler!

Unless of course, you are IN HIDING NOW like a LIAR on the CCP payroll CAUGHT IN THE ACT!
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Ann wrote:
It would be appreciated if we could address each other respectfully. The Buddha's teachings are dedicated to dispelling hatred, ignorance, and greed. The Dalai Lama himself does not hate the Chinese, or atheists, or anyone else, and he never encourages anyone else to.
Here is a link to information about the history of the Panchen Lama:
http://buddhism.about.com/od/Schools-of-Tibet...
Ann,

Is your information written by the west which is highly influenced by the Free Tibet Movement and Dalai Lama 14th more credible than the consistent information documented by scholars and religious people generation after generation in China for the last 500 years?

If you do not use information written by the Chinese communists, that is alright with me. But you cannot ignore what has been documented during the nationalist era, and dynasties of China.

There is a huge gap between what Dalai Lama 14 told the west after 1959 and what he and his predecessors said before 1959. There is a huge gap between what Dalai Lama told the west after 1959 and the long history of Tibet and Tibet Buddhism. They try to portray Dalai Lama 14 as supreme (a status which his 13 predecessors never enjoyed) and they also try to prove that Tibet was an independent country which is nonsense. Stop lying!

The version of history proposed by the Free Tibet Movement and Dalai Lama 14 after their coup failed in 1959 and fled to the west differs a lot from the continuous history accumulated for centuries. The Free Tibet Movement's version of history is a make-believe version and is not factual.
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If you have any knowledge of what has been documented in history in the long pre-communist era, it is obvious that Dalai Lama 14th's version of story is not worth our time for debating.

Please answer these questions which the Tibet separatists (now living overseas since 1959) try hard to avoid:

- From whom and from where the Dala Lamas (1st to 14th and the successors in the future) get the endorsement and legitimacy as a regional political leader and religious leader?

- If a successor to any of such religious leadership positions was not endorsed by someone higher up, could/can this successor be considered legitimate for the last centuries? If you do not know the answer, that means you are ignorant of the tradition of succession.

- The same question can be asked about all the Panchen lamas in the past and in the future, and about the chief lamas of other Tibetan Buddhism factions.

- The families from which these chief lamas came from were elevated to noble status in China during the dynasties and they received huge tracts of land and other priveleges. From whom did they get all these benefits and by what laws and succession systems?

- Why couldn't Tibet manage its own foreign affairs and military affairs if it was an independent country? Why?

- Who was the minister that endorsed the current Dalai Lama 14th? Which govt was it? In which year?

Do you know?

If you don't know the answers, you are not qualified for any debate over such subject matter.

Don't repeat Free Tibet separatist propaganda here to fool the readers!!!

I am talking about tonnes of documents that support what I said here!
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Not historically accurate says the Wu Mao who doesn't even know the population of Hong Kong but claims to be some sort of "expert" in Chinese history??

Which is really quite an amusing charge, as the Chinese Communist Party is INFAMOUS for peddling a FAKE history of China both before and after the dictatorship took control!

So, a regime that is SO WEAK it can't even deal with Chinese history from only a mere 24 years ago (June, 1989, of course!!!!!!!) is supposed to be upholding historical traditions?

What a JOKE!

Smells like a HALFWIT CCP CLOWN's SCAMS to me!

Aren't you Chinese Communist Party thugs still busy "smashing the four olds" of Chinese culture, INCLUDING RELIGION?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

You CCP swindlers just look DUMBER and DUMBER!

What counts is not what the atheist idiots in the Chinese Communist Party think, BUT WHAT THE BUDDHIST TIBETAN PEOPLE THINK!

And CLEARLY, the Buddhists in Tibet want to follow their traditions and OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT HIS HOLINESS THE DALAI LAMA, not an atheist criminal regime that has murdered 70 million Chinese through political terror and incompetence, and has brought SHAME to ALL OF CHINA by its barbaric kleptocracy, know best for its use of TORTURE against its own people described by the United Nations as "routine and widespread" in the CCP gulag!

Face the facts; the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship is SH*T that the Tibetan people and all Buddhists (being decent people) are disgusted by and hate! Anyone who swears allegiance to them is the same.

Get it stupid? There is no CCP propagandized historical snake oil that will change those FACTS.
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The current Dalai Lama is loved by people all over the world because he embodies genuine compassion, kindness and wisdom. Everyone I know who has met him leaves his presence deeply moved by his humility, gentleness and loving kindness. He doesn't need anyone's endorsement to be legitimate, because he is authentic in himself. This type of authenticity and selflessness is rare in the world, and if we could follow his example, there would be much less hatred, violence and abuse of power in the world. We might not even be calling anyone an idiot.
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Ann wrote:
It would be appreciated if we could address each other respectfully. The Buddha's teachings are dedicated to dispelling hatred, ignorance, and greed. The Dalai Lama himself does not hate the Chinese, or atheists, or anyone else, and he never encourages anyone else to.
Here is a link to information about the history of the Panchen Lama:
http://buddhism.about.com/od/Schools-of-Tibet...
Your link contains fabricated information and lies, but not facts and history.

You do not respect others and especially leaders of other Tibetan Buddhism sects, why should other people respect you guys?

Please do not insult the Panchen Lamas!
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Ann wrote:
The current Dalai Lama is loved by people all over the world because he embodies genuine compassion, kindness and wisdom. Everyone I know who has met him leaves his presence deeply moved by his humility, gentleness and loving kindness. He doesn't need anyone's endorsement to be legitimate, because he is authentic in himself. This type of authenticity and selflessness is rare in the world, and if we could follow his example, there would be much less hatred, violence and abuse of power in the world. We might not even be calling anyone an idiot.
You should ask the Dorje Shugden followers all over the world about it!

If what you said is true, why do the Shugdens take to the street and chant "Dalai Lama, Stop Lying!!!".

You can check the Western Shugden Society website for more information.

I did not saw this on any Chinese communist channels, but on French, German, UK, and Pennsylvania TV programs.

If you are interested in knowing more, please search you tube for the videos.
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Regarding respecting everyone including your enemies, I surely agree.

I hope the world is full of truth, love, and harmony.

But if you ask Miss Dolma's family, they would tell you they are disillusioned by all the so-called love and compassion espoused by some prominent referent religious person.

They lost a young lovely daughter, Miss Dolma!

Who is Miss Dolma in this case?

She was one of the 5 victims (young girls) working for I-Hon Company (a fashion shop in Lhasa) when Tibet separatists in exile came into Lhasa and burned and killed on March 14, 2008.

The company was burned down by the rebels.

In this case, were these young lives receive the respect any human being deserve?

Hypocrisy everywhere, isn't it?
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Willy wrote:
If you have any knowledge of what has been documented in history in the long pre-communist era, it is obvious that Dalai Lama 14th's version of story is not worth our time for debating.
Please answer these questions which the Tibet separatists (now living overseas since 1959) try hard to avoid:
- From whom and from where the Dala Lamas (1st to 14th and the successors in the future) get the endorsement and legitimacy as a regional political leader and religious leader?
- If a successor to any of such religious leadership positions was not endorsed by someone higher up, could/can this successor be considered legitimate for the last centuries? If you do not know the answer, that means you are ignorant of the tradition of succession.
- The same question can be asked about all the Panchen lamas in the past and in the future, and about the chief lamas of other Tibetan Buddhism factions.
- The families from which these chief lamas came from were elevated to noble status in China during the dynasties and they received huge tracts of land and other priveleges. From whom did they get all these benefits and by what laws and succession systems?
- Why couldn't Tibet manage its own foreign affairs and military affairs if it was an independent country? Why?
- Who was the minister that endorsed the current Dalai Lama 14th? Which govt was it? In which year?
Do you know?
If you don't know the answers, you are not qualified for any debate over such subject matter.
Don't repeat Free Tibet separatist propaganda here to fool the readers!!!
I am talking about tonnes of documents that support what I said here!
Not historically accurate says the Wu Mao who doesn't even know the population of Hong Kong but claims to be some sort of "expert" in Chinese history??

Which is really quite an amusing charge, as the Chinese Communist Party is INFAMOUS for peddling a FAKE history of China both before and after the dictatorship took control!

So, a regime that is SO WEAK it can't even deal with Chinese history from only a mere 24 years ago (June, 1989, of course!!!!!!!) is supposed to be upholding historical traditions?

What a JOKE!

Smells like a HALFWIT CCP CLOWN's SCAMS to me!

Aren't you Chinese Communist Party thugs still busy "smashing the four olds" of Chinese culture, INCLUDING RELIGION?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

You CCP swindlers just look DUMBER and DUMBER!

What counts is not what the atheist idiots in the Chinese Communist Party think, BUT WHAT THE BUDDHIST TIBETAN PEOPLE THINK!

And CLEARLY, the Buddhists in Tibet want to follow their traditions and OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT HIS HOLINESS THE DALAI LAMA, not an atheist criminal regime that has murdered 70 million Chinese through political terror and incompetence, and has brought SHAME to ALL OF CHINA by its barbaric kleptocracy, know best for its use of TORTURE against its own people described by the United Nations as "routine and widespread" in the CCP gulag!

Face the facts; the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship is SH*T that the Tibetan people and all Buddhists (being decent people) are disgusted by and hate! Anyone who swears allegiance to them is the same.

Get it stupid? There is no CCP propagandized historical snake oil that will change those FACTS.
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Ann,

If Dalai Lama 14th cannot even lead the Dorje Shugden believers in the Tibetan exile communities in the west and India, how can he claim that he is the supreme leader of all Tibetan Buddhism sects in China and the whole world.

Isn't this already a blatant lie?

Think lgically, do not just listen to Dalai Lama, & Free Tibet Movement propaganda.

Ask the boss and figure who was/is the boss to make Dalai Lamas and Panchen Lamas legitimate. Both the Dalai Lama and Panchen have the same boss.

It is up to the boss to say who is more senior and who is not. Dalai Lama 14th should not make up such lies after his armed rebellion failed in 1959 and escaped overseas.

Please figure out who is his boss first before you talk.
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Ann,
If Dalai Lama 14th cannot even lead the Dorje Shugden believers in the Tibetan exile communities in the west and India, how can he claim that he is the supreme leader of all Tibetan Buddhism sects in China and the whole world.
Isn't this already a blatant lie?
Think lgically, do not just listen to Dalai Lama, & Free Tibet Movement propaganda.
Ask the boss and figure who was/is the boss to make Dalai Lamas and Panchen Lamas legitimate. Both the Dalai Lama and Panchen have the same boss.
It is up to the boss to say who is more senior and who is not. Dalai Lama 14th should not make up such lies after his armed rebellion failed in 1959 and escaped overseas.
Please figure out who is his boss first before you talk.
You obviously work for the Chinese Communist Party.

You know, the mass-murdering pimps that pay you. That is why your pretended morality is so absurd!

Here is what your CCP can offer China and Tibet:

The Communist Party's "Public Security Bureau" are PIMPING OUT China's young girls!

Check it out!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asi ...

Inside Dongguan, China's Sin City
Some 10 per cent of Dongguan's population is said to be employed in the world's oldest profession. Tom Phillips reports from China's Sin City.....
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What are Tibetan prostitutes like? Please post if you know. Prices, quality, etc... Thanks!
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Willy wrote:
<quoted text>Idiot, you are spreading lies again.
Do you understand Chinese history and the centuries-old system of succession and acertifucation for Tibetan Buddhism?
So you listen to Dalia Lama 14th's lies and think he is supreme in Buddhism and the only supreme leader in Buddhism. The fact is that he is the leader of only one faction and Panchem Lama and chief lamas of other Tibetan Buddhism are never under any Dalai Lama for the last 500 years.
Study Chinese history especially the texts written before communism came to China. Read the centuries old records to know the truth (but not Dalai Lama 14th, and the Free Tibet Movement's lies.)
The first 13 Dalai Lamas never had any right above Panchen Lamas, how come suddently Dalai Lama 14th have such power?
Who certified all the chief lamas including the 14 Dalai Lamas and Panchen Lamas in order for them to be legitimate leaders?
What I am asking is whether you know who were/are the bosses for all of them.
(Or you can read books authored by famous historians of China: Prof. Luo Xiang Lin, and Prof. Qian Mu (or Chien Mu). Who are they? Are they communists? They were those scholars whom the communists tried to capture and eventually they escaped to Hong Kong and then Taiwan.
Stop twisting our history.
If you want to know, I can tell you in the next post.
You are nothing more than a 50 cent Chink hired by the commie to spread lies. Go away chink chong.

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