Calling It 'Metadata' Doesn't Make Su...

Calling It 'Metadata' Doesn't Make Surveillance Less Intrusive

There are 18 comments on the National Public Radio story from Jun 21, 2013, titled Calling It 'Metadata' Doesn't Make Surveillance Less Intrusive. In it, National Public Radio reports that:

"This is just metadata. There is no content involved." That was how Sen. Dianne Feinstein defended the NSA's blanket surveillance of Americans' phone records and Internet activity.

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Gary

Bellingham, WA

#1 Jun 21, 2013
Let's put it this way: If there were somebody
inside the United States in communication with
a known terrorist organization in some place
like Pakistan or Somalia or Yemen I would
hope that our intelligence community knows about
it.

If our finding out invades the privacy of
the terrorists, then so be it. I will not
agonize over their loss of privacy. I will leave
that to the Obama haters who want an attack
against America to take place so they can use
it against his legacy.

God, what disloyal scumbags!
Our Founding Fathers

Medford, NY

#2 Jun 21, 2013
ALAYS love your country by NEVER trusting your government.

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Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#3 Jun 21, 2013
Gary wrote:
Let's put it this way: If there were somebody
inside the United States in communication with
a known terrorist organization in some place
like Pakistan or Somalia or Yemen I would
hope that our intelligence community knows about
it.
If our finding out invades the privacy of
the terrorists, then so be it. I will not
agonize over their loss of privacy. I will leave
that to the Obama haters who want an attack
against America to take place so they can use
it against his legacy.
God, what disloyal scumbags!
You're an idiot. The Øbama administratio's NSA has turned this program on its proverbial ear. This program is being abused by the Øbama administration. According to the law's author, Jim Sensenbrenner, and by it's plain language limited it to "obtain[ing foreign intelligence information not concerning a United States person". The U.S. person exception can be overcome but is that it is "provided that such investigation of a United States person is not conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution."

Here's the Section 215 part of the law we're talking about. After reading it, you please tell us 'oh great non-scumbag loyal one' just how collecting this information on EVERY 'United States person' is not a violation of the act. Here it is:

(a) Application for order; conduct of investigation generally

(1) Subject to paragraph (3), the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or a designee of the Director (whose rank shall be no lower than Assistant Special Agent in Charge) may make an application for an order requiring the production of any tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and other items) for an investigation to obtain foreign intelligence information not concerning a United States person or to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities, provided that such investigation of a United States person is not conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution.

(2) An investigation conducted under this section shall—

A) be conducted under guidelines approved by the Attorney General under Executive Order 12333 (or a successor order); and

(B) not be conducted of a United States person solely upon the basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

(3) In the case of an application for an order requiring the production of library circulation records, library patron lists, book sales records, book customer lists, firearms sales records, tax return records, educational records, or medical records containing information that would identify a person, the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation may delegate the authority to make such application to either the Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or the Executive Assistant Director for National Security (or any successor position). The Deputy Director or the Executive Assistant Director may not further delegate such authority.

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Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#4 Jun 21, 2013
... after all, I'm pretty damned sure that terrorists in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia aren't phoning and e-mailing 100,000,000 or so Americans. That's one hundred million for the big-number-challenged.

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Gary

Bellingham, WA

#5 Jun 21, 2013
It's Official: Conservatives Have Given-up on Fake
IRS Scandal.

Mitch McConnell effectively acknowledged to disappointed conservatives that recently
revealed IRS malfeasance probably wasn’t the
consequence of any direct action taken by the
White House.

“There might be some folks out there waiting for a hand signed memo from President Obama to Lois Learner to turn up,” he said, referring to conservatives and Republicans who have charged that the IRS was following White House instructions when it targeted conservative non-profits.“Do not hold your breath.”

Bout' time Mitch.

Benghazi is dead.
Fast and Furious is dead.
The IRS "scandal" is dead

What's nest?

Anything but jobs.

STOP THE REPUBLICAN JIHAD
ON HUNGRY CHILDREN!

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drink The hive

New York, NY

#6 Jun 21, 2013
A Terrorism Suspect Cell Phone Intercepted By NSA Top Secret Listening Station:

Location Alaska - Time And Day 'Classified'...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpckq0oZ1l1qlx...

Gary

Bellingham, WA

#7 Jun 21, 2013
Far Away wrote:
... after all, I'm pretty damned sure that terrorists in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia aren't phoning and e-mailing 100,000,000 or so Americans. That's one hundred million for the big-number-challenged.
So you're against intercepting terrorist communications
and acting on the intelligence to prevent another 9/11?

Hatred of Obama. Pity for terrorists.

Figures.
Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#8 Jun 21, 2013
Gary wrote:
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So you're against intercepting terrorist communications
and acting on the intelligence to prevent another 9/11?
Hatred of Obama. Pity for terrorists.
Figures.
Just exactly what part of "to obtain foreign intelligence" and "not concerning a United States person" in the law don't you understand. It doesn't say collect from EVERY United States person and MAYBE work your way back to foreign intelligence/terrorist threat.

Wow! Are you in a coma?

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ted

Bolton, UK

#12 Jun 21, 2013
amazing how the left are comfortable with the government spying on ALL of the citizens of the US.

Since: Sep 08

Viva Madeira

#13 Jun 22, 2013
Semantics. Whichever word used doesn’t obscure what is happening.

Will it stop at “metadata” or will this intrusion into our private lives continue and expand? In the name of fighting terrorism, allowing ourselves to live in a state of fear and anxiety, how much more are we willing to give up, because we’ll never get it back. It’s a non-refundable loss of freedom.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#15 Jun 22, 2013
Eighthman wrote:
Why I could NEVER be a democreep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =n_YQ8560E1wXX
Right, you never could be. It takes at least half a brain
and that's where you come up woefully short.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#16 Jun 22, 2013
Marichu wrote:
Semantics. Whichever word used doesn’t obscure what is happening.
Will it stop at “metadata” or will this intrusion into our private lives continue and expand? In the name of fighting terrorism, allowing ourselves to live in a state of fear and anxiety, how much more are we willing to give up, because we’ll never get it back. It’s a non-refundable loss of freedom.
You are living a in a state of fear and anxiety?

Do you know hat the word "paranoia" means.

Or what are you a meth dealer? Afraid of discovery?

Since: Sep 08

Viva Madeira

#17 Jun 22, 2013
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>
You are living a in a state of fear and anxiety?
Do you know hat the word "paranoia" means.
Or what are you a meth dealer? Afraid of discovery?
What concern is it of yours what business I’m in? And how does that relate to the content of my post or the thread of this story?
sinic

United States

#19 Jun 23, 2013
Our Founding Fathers wrote:
ALAYS love your country by NEVER trusting your government.
You better add the 'private sector' as untrustworthy. They are out for the consumer dollar, or perhaps to make 'debt slaves'. Money is power AND as ex-Senator Robert Byrd said "It is money, money, money! Not ideas, not principles, but money that reigns supreme in American politics." and politics is the government.

So what is a person to do:
http://www.technewsdaily.com/18138-13-paranoi...
sinic

United States

#20 Jun 23, 2013
Marichu wrote:
Semantics. Whichever word used doesn’t obscure what is happening.
Will it stop at “metadata” or will this intrusion into our private lives continue and expand? In the name of fighting terrorism, allowing ourselves to live in a state of fear and anxiety, how much more are we willing to give up, because we’ll never get it back. It’s a non-refundable loss of freedom.
if you will take time to read the articles at the links below you may find that you have more to fear than the government. Open your mind and take a look at the brave new world. Of course the private sector runs the government and the government regulates the private sector ...

http://www.technewsdaily.com/18414-law-stops-...

http://www.technewsdaily.com/18402-spy-next-d...

http://www.technewsdaily.com/18392-verizon-de...

In the modern world freedom is an illusion.
Translate Gov Intrusion

West Sayville, NY

#22 Jun 23, 2013
Call it what it really is. 'Mierda'.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#23 Jun 23, 2013
Gary wrote:
It's Official: Conservatives Have Given-up on Fake
IRS Scandal.
Mitch McConnell effectively acknowledged to disappointed conservatives that recently
revealed IRS malfeasance probably wasn’t the
consequence of any direct action taken by the
White House.
“There might be some folks out there waiting for a hand signed memo from President Obama to Lois Learner to turn up,” he said, referring to conservatives and Republicans who have charged that the IRS was following White House instructions when it targeted conservative non-profits.“Do not hold your breath.”
Bout' time Mitch.
Benghazi is dead.
Fast and Furious is dead.
The IRS "scandal" is dead
What's nest?
Anything but jobs.
STOP THE REPUBLICAN JIHAD
ON HUNGRY CHILDREN!
Excellent post Gary.
Colonel Mustard

United States

#25 Jun 23, 2013
Darn! This must mean the NSA knows all about my numerous visits to metahooters.com !

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