Germany, Poland in tussle over treasures

Germany, Poland in tussle over treasures

There are 1273 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Oct 13, 2007, titled Germany, Poland in tussle over treasures. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Monika Jaglarz closed the door to the small office and drew the shades. She then spread a green velvet cloth over a wooden table and pulled on a pair of white gloves as though to begin some kind of surgical ...

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loveth

Europe

#1167 May 28, 2013
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the joker

Albania

#1168 May 29, 2013
Oh yeah....

Since: Mar 13

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#1169 Jun 2, 2013
Chuggaboom wrote:
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Unfortunately you are wrong.
in the mid 70s Germany paid as they two countries agreed upon almost 2 billion Marks. This was on top of what Germany (W Germany) already paid to Jews for their lost or damaged property, which was slightly less than what the Polish goverment wanted for themselves in the Gierek-Schmidt Agreement.
Poland already waived any monies from E Germany in the mid 50s but after Germany was whole again the Poles demanded and got more monies grom Germany, roughly 4 billion Marks and bother government then agreed the reparations matter to be settled.
No, Tex.
The 1970s case was mainly about a German loan in exchange for letting some remaining Germans of Poland (or supposed Germans) go and settle in Germany; plus some reparations to a small group of people (as opposed to number of the entitled to the reparations) who were abused by Germany in the course of WW2 (and if I'm not mistaken, and I may be – only those who were abused on the territory of the 1937 Germany –!!!). Utter peanuts or as we say – a drop in a sea. The country itself has been directly paid back zilch by Germany (and I mean either German entity).
What has it meant to Poland what Jews and the state of Israel got out of the Germans? Only this that it tought that Jewish ways go a long way. "Slightly less"? What the heck? Germany then paid Jews about 100 milliard (long scale) dollars – when has Poland been given back more than that by Germany, for Pete's sake?!
The Gierek–Schmidt Agreement? I don't know it. Have you got its text? Anyway, it must not have been abything crucial but another loan given by Germany on some conditions, probably.
Poland factually waived nothing – the occupying, illegal government (by the way, they were Jews all the way down) did and on command of the Soviet Union. And it was illegal itself as it even violated the contemopary law they created – only the parliament could OK it then. Plus the act of "waiving" was blurry as to its addressee so it all makes it a case that can be easily challenged in court or international forum and won. The Germans have known that, they have been avoiding the subject as much as they could and even interprete it in their favour. The case has been raised by the Polish (or rather "Polish", they are Jews all the way down too) parliament twice since 1990 but it's been hushed abd nothing's been done about it.
The case stands, the Germans must undo the wrongdoing they had done here. I don't care what effort it costs them – they could have not invaded and done the evil.

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

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#1170 Jun 2, 2013
On 23 August 1953, People's Republic of Poland announced it would unilaterally waive its right to reparations from East Germany on 1 January 1954. West Germany hadn't paid reparations to non-Jewish recipients for the damage inflicted in Poland until the Gierek-Schmidt agreement from 9 October 1975 in Warsaw, then it gave for Poland 1,3 bln DM[citation needed]. After German reunification, Poland demanded reparations again, following claims made by German refugee organisations that demanded recompensation for lost property. In 1992 was founded Foundation for Polish-German Reconciliation by Polish and German governments, in result Germany paid for Polish sufferers ca. 4,7 bln z&#322;. In 2004 the Polish parliament voted to seek damages from Germany as responding to German claims made by the Prussian Claims Society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reparatio...

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#1171 Jun 2, 2013
I don`t know why Poland should have any reparations at all. They lost the war and would be turned into fertilizer for German farms if it was not for Russia which saved them. They don`t have any right for reparations cause they did not liberate Poland from nazis, the Russians did.

Since: Mar 13

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#1172 Jun 2, 2013
-sunshine wrote:
On 23 August 1953, People's Republic of Poland announced it would unilaterally waive its right to reparations from East Germany on 1 January 1954. West Germany hadn't paid reparations to non-Jewish recipients for the damage inflicted in Poland until the Gierek-Schmidt agreement from 9 October 1975 in Warsaw, then it gave for Poland 1,3 bln DM[citation needed]. After German reunification, Poland demanded reparations again, following claims made by German refugee organisations that demanded recompensation for lost property. In 1992 was founded Foundation for Polish-German Reconciliation by Polish and German governments, in result Germany paid for Polish sufferers ca. 4,7 bln z&#322;. In 2004 the Polish parliament voted to seek damages from Germany as responding to German claims made by the Prussian Claims Society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reparatio...
Well, I have referred to the 1953 act before.
About the 1975 act - whatever it was (I still would like to see the text), I don't know what non-Jewish recipients got that reparations. Some actual reparations for sufferers, which were peanuts, were sparsely paid in the 1990s and the 2000s to a small and number of sufferers (decreased and rapidly decreasing) and their families.
German state(s) have paid no recompensation to Poland for damages and stealing done to her - this include i. a.(only according to a post-war report by a special governmental body of Biuro Odszkodowan Wojennych przy Radzie Ministrow): a 65 % assets-loss in energetic sector, 42 % in mining sector, 84 % in railway sector, 60 % in education sector, 62 % in postal and telecommunications sector, 22 % in agricultural sector, 500 thousand tons of iron ore, 1 million tons of potassium salt, 100 thousand tons of phosphates, 3/4 of fabriques destroyed, 30 % of forests cut and destroyed. According to mid-war rates these material damages were at least worth 59 milliard (long scale) dollars which according to 1990 rates (when the case was raised again and an initial calculation was made) surpassed 600 milliard dollars.
As it comes to individual reparations – the ones You've referred to – according to a 1990 calcualtion by Alfons Klafkowski (a Polish professor of the public international law), based solely on the report of the Biuro Odszkodowan Wojennych przy Radzie Ministrow, it was at least 285 milliard dollars.
Jewish Vagabonds

Brewster, NY

#1173 Jun 2, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
I don`t know why Poland should have any reparations at all. They lost the war and would be turned into fertilizer for German farms if it was not for Russia which saved them. They don`t have any right for reparations cause they did not liberate Poland from nazis, the Russians did.
Germans had looted & destroyed Polish cities with extensive damage.

Soviet Union had invaded Poland in Molotov Ribbentrop pact with their Nazi German ally.

Soviets even waited for their Nazi German ally to attack Finland!!!

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#1174 Jun 2, 2013
Jewish Vagabonds wrote:
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Germans had looted & destroyed Polish cities with extensive damage.
Soviet Union had invaded Poland in Molotov Ribbentrop pact with their Nazi German ally.
Soviets even waited for their Nazi German ally to attack Finland!!!
Germans did all the jobs before Soviets joined in to liberate Ukraine and Belarus occupied by Poland.

That`s true, Germans made an airstrike on the city of Warsaw and Polaks in Warsaw shited their pants and surrendered the city without any resistence. Polish government ran for their lives to London, from where it was babling usual Polish idiocy untill Churchil ordered it to shut up.
The Iron Mao ZeTung

Podgorica, Montenegro

#1175 Jun 2, 2013
Stop talk of WW2 so much!!!

Dumb Polak to bad Germans and Soviets did not destroy Polakia...

Polakia is CANCER of East Europe!

Long live Hungary-Croatia-SLOvakia

Since: Mar 13

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#1176 Jun 2, 2013
-sunshine wrote:
On 23 August 1953, People's Republic of Poland announced it would unilaterally waive its right to reparations from East Germany on 1 January 1954. West Germany hadn't paid reparations to non-Jewish recipients for the damage inflicted in Poland until the Gierek-Schmidt agreement from 9 October 1975 in Warsaw, then it gave for Poland 1,3 bln DM[citation needed]. After German reunification, Poland demanded reparations again, following claims made by German refugee organisations that demanded recompensation for lost property. In 1992 was founded Foundation for Polish-German Reconciliation by Polish and German governments, in result Germany paid for Polish sufferers ca. 4,7 bln z&#322;. In 2004 the Polish parliament voted to seek damages from Germany as responding to German claims made by the Prussian Claims Society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reparatio...
Oh, and should the figure of 4,7 billion zlotych (is that long or short scale?) impress You, the approximate exchange rate of dollar in 1992 in Poland was 11.000+(January that year) to 15.000+(December that year) zloty for 1 American dollar.
Jewish Vagabonds

Brewster, NY

#1177 Jun 2, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
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Germans did all the jobs before Soviets joined in to liberate Ukraine and Belarus occupied by Poland.
That`s true, Germans made an airstrike on the city of Warsaw and Polaks in Warsaw shited their pants and surrendered the city without any resistence. Polish government ran for their lives to London, from where it was babling usual Polish idiocy untill Churchil ordered it to shut up.
Lwow & Brzesc were both majority Polish from before the Partitions to after WW1!!

These were cities with a Polish majority which had been Polish (Lechitic) lands for the majority of time for multiple hundreds of years!!

Poznan was also majority Polish after WW1!!

Wilno was also majority Polish after WW1!!!
Dumb polak

Hoddesdon, UK

#1178 Jun 2, 2013
Gost aka Kubek wrote:
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Oh, and should the figure of 4,7 billion zlotych (is that long or short scale?) impress You, the approximate exchange rate of dollar in 1992 in Poland was 11.000+(January that year) to 15.000+(December that year) zloty for 1 American dollar.
Quack, Quack, Quack!:)
Jewish Vagabonds

Brewster, NY

#1179 Jun 2, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
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Germans did all the jobs before Soviets joined in to liberate Ukraine and Belarus occupied by Poland.
That`s true, Germans made an airstrike on the city of Warsaw and Polaks in Warsaw shited their pants and surrendered the city without any resistence. Polish government ran for their lives to London, from where it was babling usual Polish idiocy untill Churchil ordered it to shut up.
Germans had mass murdered & destroyed even more Russians than Polish you nimrod.

Either you are a really retarded Russian.

Or you are some other kind of garbage like Jew or Volga German.

Or perhaps a mix of both like Lenin was who was both Jewish & Volga German.

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#1180 Jun 2, 2013
Jewish Vagabonds wrote:
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Lwow & Brzesc were both majority Polish from before the Partitions to after WW1!!
These were cities with a Polish majority which had been Polish (Lechitic) lands for the majority of time for multiple hundreds of years!!
Poznan was also majority Polish after WW1!!
Wilno was also majority Polish after WW1!!!
As well as Germans were the majority in some places in Poland, so what? ddoes it justify German agression on Poland? Western Ukraine and Belarus were admitted by all leading powers as a part of Russia. What Poland did in 1918 was imperialistic agression on Russia, and Lvov and Brest were occupied by Poland from 1918 to 1939.
The Iron Adolf Hitlerovic

Podgorica, Montenegro

#1181 Jun 2, 2013
qUACK qUACK pAKI mONKEY

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#1182 Jun 2, 2013
Jewish Vagabonds wrote:
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Germans had mass murdered & destroyed even more Russians than Polish you nimrod.
Either you are a really retarded Russian.
Or you are some other kind of garbage like Jew or Volga German.
Or perhaps a mix of both like Lenin was who was both Jewish & Volga German.
This is nt about the past this is about the present.
Germans usually have no problem with Russians, unlike Polaks.
Jewish Vagabonds

Brewster, NY

#1183 Jun 2, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
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This is nt about the past this is about the present.
Germans usually have no problem with Jews, unlike Polaks.
That would be true... I mean Polish people are much more Anti Jewish today than Germans.

Although the level of Anti Russian hatred in Germans & Polish isn't much different.

In fact polls support that Germany is actually more Anti Russian than Poland is!!

Actually Russians themselves say they are so oppressed in Germany with prejudices including the "Volga Germans" from Russia.

Apparently from my understanding is that actually Polish people seem to be treated better in Germany today than Volga Germans from Russia do!!!
Jewish Vagabonds

Brewster, NY

#1184 Jun 2, 2013
Russian Ubermensch wrote:
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This is nt about the past this is about the present.
Germans usually have no problem with Russians, unlike Polaks.
The percentage of population with a negative perception of Russia was 62% in Finland, 57% in Norway, 42% in the Czech Republic and Switzerland, 37% in Germany, 32% in Denmark and Poland, and 23% in Estonia. However, according to the poll, the people of Kosovo had the lowest opinion of Russia: 73% of Kosovar respondents said their opinion was "very negative" or "fairly negative". Overall, the percentage of respondents with a positive view of Russia was only 31%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophobia

Since: Apr 13

Podolsk, Russia

#1185 Jun 2, 2013
Jewish Vagabonds wrote:
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That would be true... I mean Polish people are much more Anti Jewish today than Germans.
Although the level of Anti Russian hatred in Germans & Polish isn't much different.
In fact polls support that Germany is actually more Anti Russian than Poland is!!
Actually Russians themselves say they are so oppressed in Germany with prejudices including the "Volga Germans" from Russia.
Apparently from my understanding is that actually Polish people seem to be treated better in Germany today than Volga Germans from Russia do!!!
Germans have no problem with Russians and they certainly hate Polaks much more than Russians. Any German government is ok with Russian, Polish governments until Tusk were simply hositile to Russia. Kachinsky called on for war with Russia in 2008 in Tbilisy. Why should any Russian put Polaks above Germans? Because they are Slavic? But you say the Russsians are Finns, so why should we care about Slavic peoples? lol.
The Iron Adolf Hitlerovic

Podgorica, Montenegro

#1186 Jun 2, 2013
Germans LOVE Jews

But Jews HATE Germans...

Why?

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