If Ransom Note a Fake-Out, to Whom might it be Advantageous/Detrimental?

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Since: Jan 16

Hermosa Beach, CA

#1 Feb 2, 2016
In regards to the Jonbenet Ramsey murder, I would like to start a list of perpetrator-characters, and rank them as to what degree A FAKE ransom note would be either an advantageous distraction, or conversely a red flag which would only attract unwanted suspicion towards themselves.

Since: Jan 16

Hermosa Beach, CA

#2 Feb 2, 2016
Putative suspect #1: A hypothetical circus juggler for Barnum and Bailey circus passing through Denver. If he were a sadistic killer, not motivated by financial gain, it would NOT be to his advantage to write a fake ransom note. A fake ransom note would not particularly lead police away from him any more than if there was no note.

Putative suspect #2: A competitive Pageant Mom whose daughter came in Second Place at the big Coronation.(or a pageant dad or grandfather or uncle). A fake ransom note would be HUGELY advantageous to lead suspicion away from themselves. By leading police to focus on "a failed kidnapping attempt", other motivations are overlooked, such as envy and vengeance against the Ramseys because their own child lost to JBR.
Anonymous

Cranston, RI

#3 Feb 2, 2016
The ransom note was not to fool anyone. The author is known to the family and viewed John with some degree of respect.

Since: Jan 16

Hermosa Beach, CA

#4 Feb 2, 2016
CJP2005 wrote:
The ransom note was not to fool anyone. The author is known to the family and viewed John with some degree of respect.
The initial discussion question is this: "IF note was a fake-out, etc." Please name your putative suspect, and how and why misleading the LE would be advantageous or dis-advantageous.
Anonymous

Cranston, RI

#5 Feb 2, 2016
I believe the suspect was an employee of the Ramseys. The author by misleading LE gained full knowledge of every move in the investigation. This note was inteded to mislead le.However the author gave to much info which not only left clues to identity but also left le baffled. Overall the note served multiple purposes.

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Since: Jul 15

The Grit

#6 Feb 2, 2016
machlin wrote:
In regards to the Jonbenet Ramsey murder, I would like to start a list of perpetrator-characters, and rank them as to what degree A FAKE ransom note would be either an advantageous distraction, or conversely a red flag which would only attract unwanted suspicion towards themselves.
The OCCK, to buy time to get out of state. The note served three purposes. Troll LE. Hinder the investigation by pointing in the wrong direction. Buy time by forcing a wait on a phone call that wouldn't come.

He did so using movie plot like devices within the note. He did the same thing with the letter to Danto.

Since: Jan 16

Hermosa Beach, CA

#7 Feb 2, 2016
CJP2005 wrote:
I believe the suspect was an employee of the Ramseys. The author by misleading LE gained full knowledge of every move in the investigation. This note was intended to mislead le.However the author gave to much info which not only left clues to identity but also left le baffled. Overall the note served multiple purposes.
I agree with you that the author of note may be an employee of John and/or Patsy Ramsey.

Because no one is immune from a lust for financial gain, the Ransom motive could point to anyone and everyone as a suspect, and by doing so would be most advantageously to a perp who wasn't really motivated by money, but was motivated by sadistic compulsions or vengeance.

I cannot think of any reason for a RANDOM Ted Bundy type, if it was he, to waste his time creating such a dramatic work of fiction if it didn't particularly mislead LE. While "Ted Bundy" might only be interested in his own sadistic compulsions, LE would have no way of knowing that he wasn't after ransom money. And he is already one of 300million US citizens who might want some easy money. So how would the note dilute his possible involvement to any less that one in 300million?

For a wealthy and vengeful Pageant Mom, on the other hand,(whose daughter came in second to Jonbenet at the pageant) it WOULD mislead LE, as she obviously does not fit the profile of someone who needs quick money. They would look right past her because the note tells them to.

To a lessor degree, any of John's employees, trying to hurt John (who had fired them at work) would gain from the misleading note. With a ransom note, the fired employees has no more or less financial motive as any other US citizen kidnapper. The r-note dilutes the fired employee's likelyhood of being the specific perpetrator to one in 300million, instead of one of their inner circle.
Anonymous

Cranston, RI

#8 Feb 2, 2016
I agree with your statement however the employee I have in mind was not from access graphics. The author intended to disasociate themselves. There was a reason why the le and PR named certain suspects. The author made three mistakes when writing this note. First: adressing John as Mr.Ramsey the term is atelling clue. At the end of the note the author refers to him as John. This mistake is common. The author also left a huge clue in the letter anyone who knew the family knew they leaving early the next day. Between 8/10 tomorrow indicates that the note was written ahead of time not post crime. The note also tells you how many people were involved. The theory of buying time is perfect. The author made it look like Patsy wrote it, Patsy was not the author thats guaranteed.

Since: Jan 16

Hermosa Beach, CA

#9 Feb 2, 2016
CJP2005 wrote:
I agree with your statement however the employee I have in mind was not from access graphics. The author intended to disasociate themselves. There was a reason why the le and PR named certain suspects. The author made three mistakes when writing this note. First: adressing John as Mr.Ramsey the term is atelling clue. At the end of the note the author refers to him as John. This mistake is common. The author also left a huge clue in the letter anyone who knew the family knew they leaving early the next day. Between 8/10 tomorrow indicates that the note was written ahead of time not post crime. The note also tells you how many people were involved. The theory of buying time is perfect. The author made it look like Patsy wrote it, Patsy was not the author thats guaranteed.
I have studied Graphoanalysis fairly extensively, and I took a correspondence course on the subject years ago, and I can tell you that any amateur will know that Patsy DID NOT write the ransom note.

But like the experts, I never say never because I am not infallible, so when I say I am sure, I mean 99% sure she didNOT write it. But there are crazies who will say that if you say "Patsy cannot be excluded as the author" (ie 99% sure she DID NOT write it), they will misrepresent that data to say "Patsy wrote the ransom note".

Another problem with investigation, I have noticed on TV documentaries where a wrongfully convicted man is exonerated years later due to advances in DNA technology is that Jurors have had the mistaken assumption that one person might lie, but a large numbers of people will not lie in collusion with each other. But as we have learned from Team Clinton over the years, large numbers of people can and do lie to advance their objectives.
And in unsolved mysteries (that are eventually solved) the investigators will go back to the key people years later and their stories have all changed.

It is often the case, for instance that if a teenager's father did a rape, she will lie to the limit to be her fathers alibi to avoid the embarrassing scandal at her high school.

Since: Jan 16

Hermosa Beach, CA

#12 Feb 22, 2016
Anonymous wrote:
The ransom note was not to fool anyone. The author is known to the family and viewed John with some degree of respect.
You say "the ransom note was not to fool anyone". Are you saying that it was a REAL ransom note, or are you saying that it was written only to torment John Ramsey, without the intent to collect any money? Who do you suspect did it?

Since: Jan 16

Hermosa Beach, CA

#14 Feb 24, 2016
jameson245 wrote:
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I had a few theories early on, let me share one.
Killer was a student at CU Boulder (or home in Boulder from college elsewhere) who was not close to John Andrew but who knew him through shared acquaintances. He envied JAR's life, his own wasn't so nice, and in some sickness decided if he couldn't be happy, neither would the Ramseys.
So yes, some degree of respect for the family, but more envy and hate because they had a storybook existence and that Christmas night he wasn't needed or wanted anywhere.
He was clearly a pedophile, maybe he was ostracized because others sensed something was wrong. He clearly had an interest in molesting JonBenét as she was his victim.
He was not close enough to know how to spell her name, it was not in that long ransom note.
I believe he knows the story of Leopold and Loeb very well and some of the things in the note support that theory. His interest in true crime might have been known to others.
The note, as I stated elsewhere, was never to get money. It was a way to pass time while he waited for the right time to do his deed.
I also wonder about any of the male friends of Linda Hoffmann-Pugh's older daughters. It has been reported that her daughters sometimes helped her out working at the Ramsey house while the Ramsey's were away, and one story has LHP's son-in-law helping out there as well.
I think that any of them might have had friends over to the empty Ramsey house for some fun times while the Ramsey's were out of state, and that opens a can of worms to have strangers in the house who know their way around and who can find their own way in later, and who know that the house is often abandoned.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#18 May 10, 2016
machlin wrote:
Putative suspect #1: A hypothetical circus juggler for Barnum and Bailey circus passing through Denver. If he were a sadistic killer, not motivated by financial gain, it would NOT be to his advantage to write a fake ransom note. A fake ransom note would not particularly lead police away from him any more than if there was no note.

Putative suspect #2: A competitive Pageant Mom whose daughter came in Second Place at the big Coronation.(or a pageant dad or grandfather or uncle). A fake ransom note would be HUGELY advantageous to lead suspicion away from themselves. By leading police to focus on "a failed kidnapping attempt", other motivations are overlooked, such as envy and vengeance against the Ramseys because their own child lost to JBR.
Do you REALLY think that a disappointed mom of a six year old beauty contestant--who could foresee many more pageants in her daughter's future--would break into a home--like a phantom--leave a ransom note, pseudo molest and garrote a child, just for revenge?

As a mother, thinking in the strongest terms--and remember this isn't the Olympics--the most I would even think to do would be to accidentally spill grape soda on the child's costume just prior to the "show." There are some fame crazed moms out there, but to kill a six year old child? To be willing, IF you could deal with your conscience, to go to jail over a grade school beauty contest?

And one must remember, this kidnapper had to be familiar with that big rambling home, and the family's schedule over Christmas. The use of "fat cat," and "good ole southern commonsense", and "don't try to grow a brain" comments that more than likely were bantered about within the home as sarcastic put downs.

So a pageant mom? Doesn't seem likely.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#19 May 10, 2016
Anonymous wrote:
I believe the suspect was an employee of the Ramseys. The author by misleading LE gained full knowledge of every move in the investigation. This note was inteded to mislead le.However the author gave to much info which not only left clues to identity but also left le baffled. Overall the note served multiple purposes.
Why would a random killer/pedophile need a ransom note? Do the deed, scores are settled, slip out of the home. There was no need for a ransom note unless you were trying to lead the police away from the family. Because leaving the body there in the home was enough to convict the family. With a ransom note, the police still zeroed in on them--without one, it would have been a piece of cake to convict them.

A pageant mom, a former employee, the housekeeper, a random intruder, a close friend, did not need to leave a ransom note. The addition of a ransom note did not inflict any more pain on the parents than the actual finding of their dead child's body would have.

So we are left with a member of the family, or a true kidnapper. One who intended to kidnap, but decided to molest and torture and kill, instead. But one who neglected to devise a means to take the body with him after the kidnapping.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#20 May 10, 2016
To be honest with myself, I can think of only one reason a ransom note would have been left if the family is innocent of the crime. The ransom note did indeed give the parents hope that their child was still alive and would possibly be returned to them. Finding the body would have been as if they were experiencing her separation from them the second time, only much worse. Their hopes were dashed. Inciting hope just to inflict further heartbreak could very well have been the intention.(But a simple ransom note would have sufficed.)

Then I think of Fleet White who knew the turmoil of finding a ransom note. But he knew the joy and elation of finding his child alive and well within his home. If anyone knew how devastating it would have been to find his child dead within the house, it would have been White.

However, White did the same thing in the Ramsey home that morning as he had done in his own home--he went throughout the house calling out the child's name. Which is a normal response to me and I always wondered why the Ramseys did not do the same, or did not wake up Burke to question him.

When one thing could point to someone outside the home, several things then point back to the family, for me.

Since: Jan 16

Redondo Beach, CA

#21 May 10, 2016
Just Wondering wrote:
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Do you REALLY think that a disappointed mom of a six year old beauty contestant--who could foresee many more pageants in her daughter's future--would break into a home--like a phantom--leave a ransom note, pseudo molest and garrote a child, just for revenge?.........
..........So a pageant mom? Doesn't seem likely.
Don't forget the Cheerleader Mom who put out a contract on the other cheerleaders mother. She figured that the other cheerleader would botch the tryouts do to stress over her mothers killing, and her own daughter would become head cheerleader.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#22 May 11, 2016
machlin wrote:
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Don't forget the Cheerleader Mom who put out a contract on the other cheerleaders mother. She figured that the other cheerleader would botch the tryouts do to stress over her mothers killing, and her own daughter would become head cheerleader.
So maybe we should investigate to see who in the pageant circuit stood to gain from Jonbenet's demise. Who replaced her as Little Miss Colorado or Little Miss Christmas?

Would I risk prison and a tortured conscience to kill a SIX year old child because she won a tiara and my daughter was just runner up? Would I break into her home, a rambling home that I had never entered in my life, and be able to compose a ransom note that had all the qualities of someone who was familiar with the family, find her room, carry her down the stairs, molest her and kill her for that reason? Now maybe if it was the Miss Universe contest--but not a Little Miss Colorado contest...
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#23 May 11, 2016
Why are we getting double posts on this thread?
Billy Smith

Denver, CO

#24 May 16, 2016
machlin wrote:
In regards to the Jonbenet Ramsey murder, I would like to start a list of perpetrator-characters, and rank them as to what degree A FAKE ransom note would be either an advantageous distraction, or conversely a red flag which would only attract unwanted suspicion towards themselves.
It wasn't a fake out. The only person's scrutiny it had to pass was Patsy's. She wrote it for herself.
The White Queen

Melbourne, Australia

#25 May 18, 2016
I study Criminology and i have followed this case for many years -.
If we look at the bigger picture in this case we can easily see that it was more than likely that it was someone who was so jealous so vindictive of the Ramsey's that in their sick mind they organised this horrendous crime !
What a better way to bring down a family than to orchestrate a horrific murder of their small daughter on Christmas night ! And to top it off write a fake ransom note , use Patsy's/ the Ramsey's pen and paper and Patsy's paint brush for the sexual assault !

All of the above pointing straight to the Ramsey's !

Any tunnel visioned LE would only see one thing and one thing only - The Ramsey's !- Therefore the perfect crime was committed and some evil , sick demented person for now, is getting away with murder. This criminal would appear to look and behave just like anyone of us and not stand out as a threat .
We need to understand that there are many people in this world with mental illness and personality disorders /psychopaths who don't appear to be abnormal from the outside, instead of looking at Patsy , John and Burke who really are the victims aside from little Jon Benet !

The note was a Fake .. end of story ...

This is my Hypothesis
The White Queen

Melbourne, Australia

#26 May 18, 2016
The White Queen wrote:
I study Criminology and i have followed this case for many years -.
If we look at the bigger picture in this case we can easily see that it was more than likely that it was someone who was so jealous so vindictive of the Ramsey's that in their sick mind they organised this horrendous crime !
What a better way to bring down a family than to orchestrate a horrific murder of their small daughter on Christmas night ! And to top it off write a fake ransom note , use Patsy's/ the Ramsey's pen and paper and Patsy's paint brush for the sexual assault !

All of the above pointing straight to the Ramsey's !

Any tunnel visioned LE would only see one thing and one thing only - The Ramsey's !- Therefore the perfect crime was committed and some evil , sick demented person for now, is getting away with murder. This criminal would appear to look and behave just like anyone of us and not stand out as a threat .
We need to understand that there are many people in this world with mental illness and personality disorders /psychopaths who don't appear to be abnormal from the outside, instead of looking at Patsy , John and Burke who really are the victims aside from little Jon Benet !

The note was a Fake .. end of story ...

This is my Hypothesis
Therefore it was Advantageous to the criminal and detrimental to the Ramsey's

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