Reasons why I believe Patsy killed Jonbenet

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mr Giblets

UK

#4 Aug 8, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
1. The Ransom Note. Notice the slip up ((I will call you between 8 and 10 AM. If we monitor you getting the money early))....Wm what bank in this country is open before 8 AM? How could he get the money "early"? Yea the writer couldn't fully put herself in the mind of a kidnapper asking for a ransom and that is why the note makes NO sense at all.
2. Practice Note on Patsy's legal pad. Did GARY also find his way in the dark, in the complicated layout of the home, to Patsy's legal pad to practice the note?
3. Their sudden decision to leave JonBenet's body in Boulder and immediately fly to Atlanta after her body was found. WOW! What great GREAT parents!
4. John hired attorneys immediately, for EVERY member of his family, including his ex-wife in Atlanta. WHY?!?!?!?
5. John goes missing for approximately 45 minutes around 11 AM and when he returns to join the others he begins drinking one drink after another. Yea he was having too much fun while his baby was "missing".
6. John and Patsy received little, if any communication or comfort from the other, before JonBenet's body had even been "found." Why were they so angry with each other???
7. Why did Patsy still have on the same clothing from the night before, when witnesses say Patsy NEVER wore the same thing two days in a row? She couldn't change, she was too busy staging the crime!
8. This is important - JonBenet's autopsy report stated there were chronic injuries to her vagina which Dr. Wecht stated that they appeared to have been inflicted about 72 hours earlier. I guess GARY went there three days earlier also.
9. Refused to be interviewed by Boulder police, unless it could be under their own terms.
10. Would not discuss events concerning the 24 hours before and the 24 hours after her murder.
11. The finger prints on the bowl of pineapple only matched Patsy and Burke. I guess that magical man GARY had his finger prints surgically removed.
12. Patsy said she "think" 2 people did it. How could she say that if she wasn't there and didn't hear/see anything?
13. She was found in the basement and only a person who is really familiar with the home would be able to find the basement. The maid who once clean their house said she didn't even know about the basement.
14. The note stated "I advise you to be well rested"...Umm kidnappers don't give such advice! Besides, who would urge SLEEPING people to be RESTED?!?! Weren't the Ramsey's "asleep when the murder took place"?
15. As you say GARY did it, how did he know where to find clothes to redress her? Specifically the size 12 panties that were in a bathroom drawer, rather than in her dresser with her other clothes.
very good points .

the basement - why didn't John tell the police about that room?

Where did he go for 45 minutes at 11am?

Basement again - we have only John's word that is where he found Jon-Benet. He appeared later carrying her and said he found her there.

and if YOU were looking for your child, wouldn't you look in EVERY room? and open ALL doors for the police?

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#5 Aug 8, 2008
Mr. G...we don't just have Johns word that he "found" her in that room. Fleet White was there with him.
Annie Girl

Surrey, Canada

#6 Aug 8, 2008
I believe that Patsy and John were involved in the staging that took place that night ... the staging that was meant to direct the focus of an investigation away from the family and ... onto an unknown "intruder".

However ... my speculation goes back and forth between Burke and Patsy in regards to the person who was instrumental in the action which result to Jonbenet head trauma ... not death.

BURKE RAMSEY:

I theorize that during an altercation Burke may have physically lashed out at Jonbenet with the flashlight and ... his action may have caused his sister's head trauma. The appearance of death implied that Patsy and John Ramsey's mission for the remainder of the night in regards to the staging stemmed out of a misguided sense of love for their son.

1. John originally told officers on the morning of December 26, 1995 that he had read to Jonbenet prior to her going to sleep.

JONBENET: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation - Steve Thomas
Chapter 3 Page 25

Officers reconstructed some of the timeline of the previous night from the parents' recollections. John Ramsey said the family returned home from the party about ten o-clock, and he read to both children before they went to sleep. He confirmed to Arndt that he had read to JonBenet after tucking her in. He would later deny those statements as well.
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2. At a later point in time ... Burke would reveal to interrogators that his sister was awake upon arriving home. I believe that this is when Jonbenet consumed the pineapple.

JONBENET: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation - Steve Thomas

With his legs pulled up and his chin on his knees, Burke said he played some Nintendo on the afternoon of December 25. When showed a photograph of the pineapple and bowl, he recognized the bowl. That showed it belonged in the house and not brought in by an intruder. He recalled nothing unusual at the Whites' party other than getting a mild shock from the electric deer fence outside. He said his sister fell asleep in the car on the way home but awakened to help carry presents into the house of a friend. When they got home, JonBenet walked in slowly and walked up the spiral stairs to bed, just ahead of Patsy. That was quite a difference from the initial and frequently repeated story that she was carried to bed.
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2. However ... John words and actions prevented the officers from questioning Burke on the morning of December 26, 1995.

JONBENET: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation - Steve Thomas
Chapter 3 Pages 22/23

At the house, another peculiar scene unfolded that left police bewildered. Burke Ramsey was awakened by the his father and Fleet White, dressed, and was being taken from the house. Burke was one of only three people in the house at the time of the crime and therefore a witness who needed to be closely questioned about the disappearance of his sister. Perhaps he had heard or seen something during the night that could help investigators find JonBenet.

So when Officer Rick French saw him being taken away, he went over to talk to the boy. But John Ramsey intervened. The father told the policeman that Burke didn't know anything and had slept through it all, and he hustled the boy to a waiting vehicle.

It was one of the poignant moments of the morning. His sister was thought to be the victim of a terrorist kidnapping, but Burke was exiled to the White's home, an unprotected location, where he would be watched over by friends instead of police. Whatever he knew went away with him.
icedtea4me

Saint Louis, MO

#7 Aug 8, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
1. The Ransom Note. Notice the slip up ((I will call you between 8 and 10 AM. If we monitor you getting the money early))....Wm what bank in this country is open before 8 AM? How could he get the money "early"? Yea the writer couldn't fully put herself in the mind of a kidnapper asking for a ransom and that is why the note makes NO sense at all.
Most banks aren't open until 9 a.m. Therefore, what if Patsy had been monitoring John getting something else early? In other words, "money" could symbolize something else and may not necessarily mean cash money.
icedtea4me

Saint Louis, MO

#9 Aug 8, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
<quoted text>
What could she possibly be talking about besides the money? Besides, I think John helped her write the note.
Think about it. What do you think she could have possibly been monitoring John getting that may have led to JonBenet being killed?
mr Giblets

UK

#10 Aug 9, 2008
thewhitewitchone wrote:
Mr. G...we don't just have Johns word that he "found" her in that room. Fleet White was there with him.
but isn't Fleet White a potential suspect as well? can his word be trusted?
lucyd

United States

#11 Aug 9, 2008
I believe Fleet ran upstairs from the basement shouting to call 911, as JR followed behind carrying JB's body. So he was there with JR.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#12 Aug 9, 2008
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Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#13 Aug 9, 2008
BrotherMoon wrote:
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I'm sorry but I seem to have misplaced my secret decoder ring. Could you please translate that?
Steve

Redmond, WA

#14 Aug 9, 2008
thewhitewitchone wrote:
I'm sorry but I seem to have misplaced my secret decoder ring. Could you please translate that?
That's code for ritual sacrifice by Patsy.
M r Giblets

UK

#15 Aug 10, 2008
lucyd wrote:
I believe Fleet ran upstairs from the basement shouting to call 911, as JR followed behind carrying JB's body. So he was there with JR.
they could have been colluding. earlier John vanished for 45 minutes . What did he do, where did he go?
Henri McPhee

Bristol, UK

#16 Aug 10, 2008
M r Giblets wrote:
<quoted text>they could have been colluding. earlier John vanished for 45 minutes . What did he do, where did he go?
I don't think that's quite correct.

The trouble is the Boulder police in America are a bit like the Herbert Britisher police, and the Herbert Britisher doctors. They haven't got the brains to detect a barking dog nuisance let alone diagnose brittle bone disease in babies, as in the Midyette case in Colorado.

This is what former Boulder cop Linda Arndt testified actually happened that morning during the Linda Arndt deposition:

23 Q. And you had sealed off JonBenet's bedroom.

24 A. I did, yes.

25 Q. And you had lost track of John Ramsey for a

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1 period between 10:40 and twelve o'clock?

2 A. No.

3 Q. You didn't see him during that period of

4 time; is that correct?

5 A. No.

6 Q. It's not correct?

7 A. That is not correct.

8 Q. Didn't you report - all right. You said

9 sometime between 10:40 and 12:00 he went out to pick up

10 the mail.

11 A. No.

12 Q. What did you say?

13 A. I believe I worded it in my report rather

14 vaguely, and what I worded and what has been put out in

15 the media are not the same. I said something during

16 that time frame I saw John reading his mail.

17 Q. We will get back to that later.

18 But there was a period when you lost

19 contact with him, is that right, personal contact with

20 him?

21 A. I did not watch John Ramsey the entire

22 time.

Observer

Columbus, OH

#17 Aug 10, 2008
icedtea4me wrote:
<quoted text>
Think about it. What do you think she could have possibly been monitoring John getting that may have led to JonBenet being killed?
What is that?
JACK

Kingsport, TN

#18 Aug 10, 2008
So far you have made no sense at all,do you think you could have got on the wrong forum by mistake?
Mr Giblets

India

#19 Aug 11, 2008
Henri McPhee wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think that's quite correct.
The trouble is the Boulder police in America are a bit like the Herbert Britisher police, and the Herbert Britisher doctors. They haven't got the brains to detect a barking dog nuisance let alone diagnose brittle bone disease in babies, as in the Midyette case in Colorado.
This is what former Boulder cop Linda Arndt testified actually happened that morning during the Linda Arndt deposition:
23 Q. And you had sealed off JonBenet's bedroom.
24 A. I did, yes.
25 Q. And you had lost track of John Ramsey for a
Page 117
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1 period between 10:40 and twelve o'clock?
2 A. No.
3 Q. You didn't see him during that period of
4 time; is that correct?
5 A. No.
6 Q. It's not correct?
7 A. That is not correct.
8 Q. Didn't you report - all right. You said
9 sometime between 10:40 and 12:00 he went out to pick up
10 the mail.
11 A. No.
12 Q. What did you say?
13 A. I believe I worded it in my report rather
14 vaguely, and what I worded and what has been put out in
15 the media are not the same. I said something during
16 that time frame I saw John reading his mail.
17 Q. We will get back to that later.
18 But there was a period when you lost
19 contact with him, is that right, personal contact with
20 him?
21 A. I did not watch John Ramsey the entire
22 time.
I see. In other words , they had no idea where he was, in or out. I agree the police were unbelievably incompetent.
icedtea4me

Saint Louis, MO

#21 Aug 11, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no clue. Please tell me?
What do most crimes boil down to? Money and what else?

Since: Jul 08

North Carolina

#22 Aug 11, 2008
IcedTea,

She wouldn't be monitoring sex.

Crimes are money, power, revenge, sex and compulsion. Pedophiles are compulsion. Pedophile killers are power-hungry compusives.

Evil comes into play quite often as well.
ex-pitcher

Henderson, NV

#23 Aug 11, 2008
Ramseys= up to their EYEBALLS!!!
Rodney

Ashland, KY

#25 Aug 13, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
DETROIT, where are you??..I started this thread because YOU wanted to know my reasons for being RDI...Why no comment from you??
Because he's you? IMO.
Rodney

Ashland, KY

#27 Aug 13, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
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I was speaking to Detroit, not Rodney. It's your opinion but it wasn't asked for and isn't cared for. Thanks for your interest though :)
What's the name of your site again, please?

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