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Steve Eller

United States

#107 Oct 16, 2012
The brutal despicable murder of JonBenet does not support such analogies. This was not a complicated case. The Ramseys were allowed to walk away from the beginning. There have been abuses of power and privilege before, but seldom have we seen anything nearly as horrific as the instructively favorable treatment of murderers like the Ramseys from the outset.

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Since: Mar 07

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#108 Oct 21, 2012
Steve Eller wrote:
The brutal despicable murder of JonBenet does not support such analogies. This was not a complicated case. The Ramseys were allowed to walk away from the beginning. There have been abuses of power and privilege before, but seldom have we seen anything nearly as horrific as the instructively favorable treatment of murderers like the Ramseys from the outset.
The one thing that horrified me the most was that the preferential treatment was so blatant and obvious that corruption has to be the only reason. What is more horrific is that it went ignored by those in positions to do something about it

That shows us how powerful Haddon is
Heloise

Leeds, UK

#109 Oct 21, 2012
This discussion reminds me of that chart someone made years ago showing the relationship between the players in this case. IIRC, there were fewer than six degrees of separation between the Ramseys and the Clinton administration. The point may have been exaggerated but it was instructive to see how the Ramsey family and their advisers were plugged in to the establishment.

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Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#110 Oct 25, 2012
Heloise wrote:
This discussion reminds me of that chart someone made years ago showing the relationship between the players in this case. IIRC, there were fewer than six degrees of separation between the Ramseys and the Clinton administration. The point may have been exaggerated but it was instructive to see how the Ramsey family and their advisers were plugged in to the establishment.
You are quite right Heloise,

Haddon and his firm did in fact, have Clinton connections and Haddon is a VERY powerful man, in Boulder and elsewhere. If you can afford Haddon's law firm, you stand a terrific chance of never goint to prison

The Ramseys sealed their freedom when they wrote that first check to Haddon's law firm

Ole South

“2009, 2011, 2012”

Since: Aug 11

Roll Tide - Good Luck, Tide!

#111 Oct 25, 2012
Steve Eller wrote:
The brutal despicable murder of JonBenet does not support such analogies. This was not a complicated case. The Ramseys were allowed to walk away from the beginning. There have been abuses of power and privilege before, but seldom have we seen anything nearly as horrific as the instructively favorable treatment of murderers like the Ramseys from the outset.
You aare right but you are wrong, too.

This was not a complicated case. The evidence is there and it's been shown to point without question to one person.

But you are taking a lot of freedom to state here in black and white, unequivocably, "murderers like the Ramseys from the outset".

Who appointed YOU judge and jury? I hope I live to see you eat those words!!

Since: Jul 10

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#113 Nov 6, 2013
There were a minimum of 3 sets of medical charts for both Burke and Jonbenet. They had files with Dr Beuf, another pediatrician in Charlevoix, the ER and plastic surgeon from when Burke hit Jonbenet in the face with a golf club, plus records from the school nurse. Beuf may have records from JAR as well who was about 14 when his father and step mother moved to Colorado. Not to mention the records of mental health intervention for Burke and Jonbenet's encopresis either privately or through the school.

With Jonbenet seeing Beuf over 30 times in 3 years presenting her specific complaints he had to suspect sexual molestation as part of the differential diagnosis but chose to attribute the problems to other causes. When a history of sexual trauma to Jonbenetís vagina was confirmed by the autopsy Iím sure he did a lot of soul searching.

Had the Ramseys wanted they could have sued him for malpractice to the tune of millions. Malpractice cases where there is an autopsy report have greater weight than those where the injured is alive. The Ramseys never filed for malpractice because it would have exposed what they knew about Jonbenetís death and her killer.

The secrets aren't about the victim, they are about the killer.
Mind Hunter

Cheltenham, Australia

#114 Nov 11, 2013
Surely when a child is murdered their "confidential" medical or any records for that matter should made known...
Texxy

Spring, TX

#116 Mar 23, 2017
Doesn't Burke's records being sealed make people want to know even more what is in them?
Dr. Phil said that Burke is the most sought after interview even though he claims he slept throughthe whole thing, including all the chaos the next morning. Unless he was on Risperadal or some other medication, I can't imagine a kid that age sleeping that soundly and for that long.
Texxy

Spring, TX

#117 Mar 23, 2017
Ole South wrote:
Continued~~

He then goes on with, "But these observations pointed to indicia of some type of behavioral issue that had been taking place in the Ramsey household, and they appeared to have been taking place over some period of time. Incidents like these would not likely have become known to those outside the family..."

Kolar continues with his observations regarding a telephone interview he had with Dr. Araji in which he said he wanted to know more about the treatment of children diagnosed with the symptoms of SBP and a final statement of his is, "I couldn't help but wonder what had been going on behind closed doors at the Ramsey home."

He then noted that it wasn't clear exactly how long Burke had been seeing a psychiatrist, but it seemed safe to him to assume that some type of treatment and psychological testing had been taking place after JonBenet's death.(I'd like to point out that it is well known that Burke underwent some psychological testing after the murder, presumably at the request of investigators.)

Kolar then goes on to relate how he turned to the Internet to perform his own investigation into what he considered to be a type of behavioral disorder from which Burke was suffering. IOW, he was acting upon a foregone conclusion that Burke had killed JonBenet and was looking on the Internet for proof to back up his belief.

He even goes so far as to say (p. 388), "John Ramsey noted during his June 1998 interview with Lou Smit, that he was taking medication that had been prescribed for him by Burke's psychiatrist...I did think it unusual that Burke, who reportedly had not witnessed any of the events surrounding JonBenet's kidnapping or death, was still being treated professionally nearly a year and a half after the event." (I don't know why he would think this unusual since considering the agreement, it was apparent that Burke had been undergoing psychological treatment for some years, probably from a condition he contracted while Patsy was fighting cancer when he was a young child.)

But this is IMO illustrative of his audacity, that he would take it upon himself to interpret something Pam Paugh said as having voided the doctor-patient privilege. He said, "I believed that by raising the issue of his psychological testing and treatment, she had made the issue of his mental health treatment a matter of public record, interest, and concern. I wondered whether or not her public statements (see page 389) had opened the door to accessing his psychiatric records, for I felt that they needed to be evaluated in relation to any possible knowledge he may have had about the death of JonBenet."

So, not only has James Kolar violated an agreement made between two parties, the Ramseys and the D.A.'s office, he has taken it upon himself to use his knowledge of what this agreement referenced and used the information therein to reveal in his book the same medical records to which his own office had agreed to keep private, away from public scrutiny. Furthermore, I believe he is guilty of the very thing he accuses Pam Paugh of doing, opening the door to assessing Burke's medical records -- records that are privileged information between the doctor and patient -- yet he believes he has some "right" to do that simply because he believes "they needed to be evaluated in relation to any possible knowledge he may have had about the death of JonBenet." I have to wonder if it occurred to him that that was not HIS decision to make?
some psychiatric meds can give people tics and odd facial expressions.
who wants to go on a Disney cruise with this family?
raise your hands now.

Since: Aug 16

Philadelphia, PA

#118 Mar 23, 2017
Texxy wrote:
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some psychiatric meds can give people tics and odd facial expressions.
who wants to go on a Disney cruise with this family?
raise your hands now.
Mark from Denver, Peter Boyles wants to talk to you.
Texxy

Spring, TX

#119 Mar 27, 2017
Speaking of Spam, what are you going on about ? Same message thread after thread.
robert

Canada

#120 Mar 27, 2017
Texxy wrote:
Speaking of Spam, what are you going on about ? Same message thread after thread.
Play dummy BM
Tex-

Spring, TX

#121 Tuesday Jul 25
robert wrote:
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Play dummy BM
I'm just going to pretend that every poster who accuses me of being someone I'm not is all the same twisted person. That is all.

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