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Just to be clear, I was being facetious. I don’t believe for a minute you know all of those people and what they have or haven’t done both publicly and privately. It just wasn’t wasn’t worth arguing over.
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Yes, but the case was dropped against undertheradar too.
My theory on why FW hasn't filed a suit against NK is because it would embarrass his family and children. Plus he would be forced to testify and be subject to interrogation about the case.
what would he get out of a suit against NK? She doesn't have money and people sue those who have money. Otherwise its not worth the effort.
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I don't think any one posts to malign the r's. There is a lot of scorn displayed for their manipulative behaviors and the fact that they dissed authority with impunity because of their wealth and connections, but I think that's an offshoot, rather than a motivation.
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Since it’s a private forum, I think Tricia has the right to run it any way she wants, though I don’t personally agree with her. It’s and RDI forum, that’s for sure. I don’t think they’re searching for the truth about what happened to JBR so much as they are posting to malign the Ramseys.

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Yes, no money in it.
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FW hasn't sued an internet poster, either. Nor has he sued NK -
ever wonder why?
Undertheradar did get taken to court by RW.

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Otr wrote:
I don't think any one posts to malign the r's. There is a lot of scorn displayed for their manipulative behaviors and the fact that they dissed authority with impunity because of their wealth and connections, but I think that's an offshoot, rather than a motivation.<quoted text>
I agree with all of what you said. However, you have to realize that the only rationale for defending the Ramseys is to claim that those of us who believe them to be involved must hate them or somehow are jealous or other ridiculous reasons other than the REAL reasons they are suspected and criticized for the behavior they displayed
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I agree with all of what you said. However, you have to realize that the only rationale for defending the Ramseys is to claim that those of us who believe them to be involved must hate them or somehow are jealous or other ridiculous reasons other than the REAL reasons they are suspected and criticized for the behavior they displayed
I do realize that happens and totally agree except for the part about it being the only rationale.

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Well, if someone wants to waste his or her entire life screaming to the world that the Ramseys are guilty and how much they hate the Ramseys, probably even after they are all dead, who am I to intervene.

Just wait for the DNA to be matched and the killer to be hopefully identified.

In the mean time, just discuss the case with your microwave. It listens just as well as the true believers in Ramsey guilt.

Plus, the Ramseys will be never really be cleared until the killer is found because they were in the house the night of the murder. I don't think they did it, but LE in Boulder doesn't see it my way, and that is all that really counts.
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Yes, but the case was dropped against undertheradar too.
My theory on why FW hasn't filed a suit against NK is because it would embarrass his family and children. Plus he would be forced to testify and be subject to interrogation about the case.
FW, If I am not mistaken, wrote a very public letter to the DA's office and/or the BPD, for announcing they were looking into NK's claims.
Her claims went nowhere and were completely bogus, so she went away almost as quickly as mame trotted her into town - she was exposed for the psycho that she was. End of story, no need to make it bigger than it was.
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FW, If I am not mistaken, wrote a very public letter to the DA's office and/or the BPD, for announcing they were looking into NK's claims.
Her claims went nowhere and were completely bogus, so she went away almost as quickly as mame trotted her into town - she was exposed for the psycho that she was. End of story, no need to make it bigger than it was.
It's Fleet White who is the psycho, in my opinion. Just because FW wrote some letters isn't proof of anything. I appeal to the people of Colorado on this public forum to INVESTIGATE what Nancy Krebs had to say about FW.
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It's Fleet White who is the psycho, in my opinion. Just because FW wrote some letters isn't proof of anything. I appeal to the people of Colorado on this public forum to INVESTIGATE what Nancy Krebs had to say about FW.
I don't think they investigate ANYTHING anymore. I know of several people who have sent in very good information and nothing is ever followed up on. They (BOULDER PD) do NOTHING.
I wish they would look into NK's info too. I think there could have been a pedophile ring that would have embarrassed FW's family as well as other high profile people in Boulder. It's really the only thing that makes any sense as to why they go out of their way to make sure none of this is looked into. NK's mother was said to have ties to the Manson family so it could even lead to some of those weirdos. Some call Colorado "Cultorado". It's full of them.

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I don't think they investigate ANYTHING anymore. I know of several people who have sent in very good information and nothing is ever followed up on. They (BOULDER PD) do NOTHING.
I wish they would look into NK's info too. I think there could have been a pedophile ring that would have embarrassed FW's family as well as other high profile people in Boulder. It's really the only thing that makes any sense as to why they go out of their way to make sure none of this is looked into. NK's mother was said to have ties to the Manson family so it could even lead to some of those weirdos. Some call Colorado "Cultorado". It's full of them.
Lacking the ability and or willingness to see into human behavior people resort to conspiracy theories.
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VPbee wrote:
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FW, If I am not mistaken, wrote a very public letter to the DA's office and/or the BPD, for announcing they were looking into NK's claims.
Her claims went nowhere and were completely bogus, so she went away almost as quickly as mame trotted her into town - she was exposed for the psycho that she was. End of story, no need to make it bigger than it was.
But they never did look into her claims. They only requested info about the charge against Mackey Boykin (he was imprisoned for molestiing NK and they found this claim to be true---which should have warrented further investigation). They never asked NK's therapist for info about her sessions BEFORE the murder which both she and the therapist claimed mentioned the abuse by the White family. They never questioned NK's grandmother or Spade. Her grandmother said she believed that Spade was probably involved in JBR's murder. Why would she have said that? They interviewed NK's mother, a former manson follower, drug abuser, a mother who likely pimped out her own daughter. She had good reason to lie about everything.
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Lacking the ability and or willingness to see into human behavior people resort to conspiracy theories.
You are the one who refuses to see human behavior. Patsy had an impeccable reputation as a loving mother. Even her step children agreed. Neither she or John had any history of mental illness. Why would two college educated religious parents concoct such a brutal staging. This is clearly the work of a sadistic pedophile or at least a sadist who wanted to hurt them in the worst way possible.

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Biz wrote:
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You are the one who refuses to see human behavior. Patsy had an impeccable reputation as a loving mother. Even her step children agreed. Neither she or John had any history of mental illness. Why would two college educated religious parents concoct such a brutal staging. This is clearly the work of a sadistic pedophile or at least a sadist who wanted to hurt them in the worst way possible.
Patsy did not have that rep as a mother, in fact mothers in Boulder spoke the opposite. Patsy was eccentric and famous for being so. She had panic attacks. Religion is anything but an indication of moral behavior. There is no evidence anywhere that anyone wanted to hurt them.

You are completely and utterly wrong on every count.

Why do you shamelessly apoligize for a murderess?

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You are the one who refuses to see human behavior.
I study psychology.

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Biz wrote:
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But they never did look into her claims. They only requested info about the charge against Mackey Boykin (he was imprisoned for molestiing NK and they found this claim to be true---which should have warrented further investigation). They never asked NK's therapist for info about her sessions BEFORE the murder which both she and the therapist claimed mentioned the abuse by the White family. They never questioned NK's grandmother or Spade. Her grandmother said she believed that Spade was probably involved in JBR's murder. Why would she have said that? They interviewed NK's mother, a former manson follower, drug abuser, a mother who likely pimped out her own daughter. She had good reason to lie about everything.
Biz, you don't know for a fact how much and what was looked into. Why didn't Smit pursue it further. You failed to mention that when they wanted to take it further, her therapist REFUSED to cooperate. "Her grandmother said....", and that is for you a reliable source and opinion? A woman whose whole family was "ill" to say the least? Why would she say that? Seriously?

Why do you think Smit and the Ramsey investigators didn't pursue it either? You folks come up with things that you don't know for a fact regarding who and what was investigated and then have no explanations as to why Smit and the Ramsey investigators didn't take it further if it was so valid and warranted?

As far as college educated and religious, both and either of those do not preclude someone from doing bad things. We saw that when Patsy and SS just thought it was the best thing in the world to tell a wife that her husband was having an affair; no regrets, no apologies, and years later still thought it was the funniest thing ever, even after time to reflect

That is probably the most telling tale about Patsy for me about who she was
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The bottom line for me in believing or not believing the Ramseys are THEIR actions. You go on TV to say there is someone out there, and yet you refuse to back up your concerns about WHO MIGHT HAVE DONE THIS to the investigating authorities, you know, those keystone cops who were FOREVER going to put your butts in jail, so no, don't cooperate to their satisfaction. Make it ALL about YOU and not the search for the killer. WHY stand in the way of that. Nope. Pretty much seals it for me.
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Capricorn wrote:
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Biz, you don't know for a fact how much and what was looked into. Why didn't Smit pursue it further. You failed to mention that when they wanted to take it further, her therapist REFUSED to cooperate. "Her grandmother said....", and that is for you a reliable source and opinion? A woman whose whole family was "ill" to say the least? Why would she say that? Seriously?
Why do you think Smit and the Ramsey investigators didn't pursue it either? You folks come up with things that you don't know for a fact regarding who and what was investigated and then have no explanations as to why Smit and the Ramsey investigators didn't take it further if it was so valid and warranted?
John Ramsey has voiced his suspicions in the past about Fleet and Priscilla White, and so have many of his friends and relatives.

John Ramsey has also atempted, at great expense to himself, to find the killer by hiring private detectives. He is not a professional criminal investigator himself. He has never pretended to be Sherlock Holmes, or advocated that there should be a rush to judgement in the case.

Ollie Gray is not an experienced homicide detective. He has been interested in the past in suspects like Helgoth, and Gigax, and at the risk of offending Biz and Old South, John Mark Karr, who might have been involved as accomplices to the killer, or had knowledge in relation to the crime.

Personally, I suspect that Lou Smit knew Fleet White did it, but that after he left the investigation in 1998 he came to an arrangement with the then Head of Security at Lockheed Martin, who was a close former colleague, not to pursue Fleet White. Lou Smit was never the senior officer in charge of the investigation.

There could have been wild parties arranged by Fleet White for Lockheed Martin. If there was ever a thorough investigation of Fleet White, and perhaps a prosecution of Fleet White, that would have been bad publicity for Lockheed Martin, and perhaps for the people in high places who might have attended those parties.

I have always regarded the Nancy Krebs information as crucial. Nancy was quoted once as having a high opinion of Lou Smit because he asked the right questions at an interview.

Nancy told the Boulder police that she had heard, or been told, that her mom and niece attended a Fleet White party that night. Nancy also said that her grandmother told her that a Fleet White did it, but, of course, he will never be caught.

Nancy's story was rejected by the very inexperienced Boulder cops on the grounds that Californian cops had told them she was a fruitloop.

The thing is you don't automatically reject a story because the person who told it made mistakes, or even lied, as to part. Nancy made mistakes in that she assumed John Ramsey was her evil Uncle Johnnie, who the cops have never, incompetently, identified.

The sinister FBI psychiatrist, Dr. Steven Pitt was going to interview her and tell her Sandy Stranger did it, and perhaps also the pompous ass, Dr. Wecht.

Nancy's niece must be a teenager now. She has probably not forgotten what she might know about the murder. She was whisked off to Germany after the murder so that she couldn't be questined about what she might know. It was never Lou Smit's job to do investigating in that regard.

I suppose Nancy's niece's life could be in danger. Americans seem to have a sentimentalsofthead belief that child prostitution doesn't exist in America, and any child prostitue who complains is disregarded.

The other aspect about this is that I have always agreed that Nancy would make a lousy witness in a courtroom. At the first suggestion of any mental illness, or a therapist, when she was properly cross-examined, a judge and jury would reject her story.

That's no reason for the police to reject Nancy's information received. There should have been INVESTIGATING of her information by a homicide squad.
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There are some interesting questions asked about Lockheed Martin on a UK website, which I think may be relevant to the Ramsey case.

For some reason, which I never knew about, and which was never given much publicity, the American Lockheed Martin company was awarded the multi-million contract to run the UK 2011 census. I hope no bribes were involved in that.

That's coming from a coalition government which tricks claimants out of social security benefits, and leads to the suicides of single mothers and deaths of their children, and which allows private companies to employ doctors from Romania for the National Health Service who are not qualified to be doctors in the UK:

"29. Please confirm or deny that the census data will be handled by an American Arms Manufacturer Lockheed Martin.
30. Please confirm or deny that Lockheed Martin have in the past been charged with illegally spying on UK citizens.
31. Please confirm or deny that Lockheed Martin works with the CIA and FBI and that they have a lengthy record of crimes against humanity.
32. Please confirm or deny that while it may be illegal for UK intelligence agencies to spy on the population without a warrant that it is not illegal for US intelligence services to spy on the UK population with such a warrant.
33. Given their track record for such actions please confirm or deny that Lockheed Martin have not in the case of the census consultancy paid bribes to individuals in order to secure the contract.
34. It is suggested that Lockheed Martin have no moral fibre, social conscience or scruples and it is further suggested that they are one of the most disreputable companies in the world – please confirm or deny this.
35. It is suggested that thousands of law suits have been filed against Lockheed Martin for everything from racial discrimination to fraud. If this were the case, it would prevent them from fulfilling their contract with the ONS – Please confirm or deny this.
36. It is reported that Lockheed Martin have “lobbied” for the illegal war in Iraq and that they have been the main arms suppliers to the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine thus making them responsible for the deaths of millions of human beings – Please confirm or deny this.
37. Please confirm or deny that personal details collected in your census will be processed in a plant run by an American firm, staff of which were prosecuted for stealing student loan records of US President Obama."

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