Suspect # 1- Rod Westmoreland did it or he was involved
Posted in the JonBenet Ramsey Forum
#1 Mar 30, 2010
June 23, 24, 25, 1998
Police Interview of John Ramsey by Lou Smit and Mike Kane.......
MIKE KANE: There are these phrases in
here that seem to have some kind of Hollywood connection? What did you think about that?
JOHN RAMSEY: Well, when we went back, Rod
Westmoreland had like a little reception after the
funeral, and some of my friends were there, and he
has a beautiful home in Atlanta. He makes a lot of
money. It's not a stretch for him to have it. It's
My friends were around me, consoling me and trying
to give me advice. And to be a part of that group
it's the Atlanta fat cats.
JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. We went back to Douglas's
analysis that it's somebody you know; it's
somebody that's been in the house; it's somebody
that's hanging with you who's jealous.
John Ramsey tells the police that he thinks of Rod Westmoreland when he reads the ransom note.
I also think of Rod Westmoreland when I read the ransom note and he attempted to sue me for my thoughts.
In Rod Westmoreland's lawsuit against me he claims.........
"Plaintiff has suffered public hatred, comtempt and ridicule"
"As a direct and proximate result of the false accusations maliciously published by the Defendant, Plaintiff has suffered special damages in that he has suffered permanent impairment to his abilities to obtain or maintain gainful employment".
But when you do a simple google search of Rod Westmoreland''s name you find this.........
2010 Top Advisor Rankings: Georgia
Ranked #1: Rod Westmoreland, Merrill Lynch
Rod Westmoreland goes on to state this in his lawsuit......
"Plaintiff did not write the ransom note"
"Plaintiff did not murder Jonbenet Ramsey"
Then oddly he says this..........
"Plaintiff has filed a motion to proceed anonymously"
So in other words, Rod Westmoreland wants to sue me to prove to the world that he "did not write the ransom note" and that he "did not kill Jonbenet", but he has just one simple request, that the world not know who he is! It took an investigation from the media to reveal that Rod Westmoreland was the Plaintiff.
He also states this in his lawsuit..........
"Plaintiff is not a public figure for purposes of this action"
And is contradicted by the fact that he is named by John Ramsey as a possible author of the ransom note and by all of the other facts in this case. He is not only a "public figure", he is one of the "main figures".
Finally, Rod Westmoreland goes on to say this in his lawsuit against me.........
"At the time of their posting, Defendant knew that the false accusations about Plaintiff were unverified and unsubstantiated"
It is a fact that almost 14 years after the murder of Jonbenet Ramsey, Rod Westmoreland the person who was in the middle of everything, still to this day has never spoken publicly about this case and the role that he played in it. He has never publicly told his side of the story except for his denials through his lawyers in his lawsuit. With that said, how can Rod Westmoreland say that the "Defendant knew that the false accusations about Plaintiff were unverified and unsubstantiated"? No one will ever know if these accusations are false until Mr. Rod Westmoreland finally speaks. It's way past due!
I have done my civic duty to get him to speak it is time for others to take it upon themselves to try to get him to speak. Who will be the first to do it?
The moral of this story is you have a guy in Rod Westmoreland that was in the middle of everything before, during and after the crime who wants to remain silent, who does not want to be considered a "public figure", who wants to remain anonymous, and if you accuse him of committing this crime, he will sue you, atleast for 30 days and anonymously of course because he knows he really doesn't want to sue.
#2 Mar 31, 2010
Rod Westmoreland was in somewhere like Mississippi when JonBenet was murdered. He flew into Boulder as soon as he heard JonBenet was murdered. That can easily be proved with witnesses and flight booking tickets.
I canít see how you can continue to have this strange belief about Rod Westmoreland. You have no evidence to back it up. He has never been a suspect of the police or FBI and he has never been one of the top three suspects at the Boulder DAís office.
It would be funny if it wasnít so serious. Itís an obvious libel.
I must say that I agree that some of your other arguments are logical. If you substituted Fleet White or Santa Bill or Joe Barnhill Jr for Rod Westmoreland then I would say you could be talking sense.
Since: Feb 10
#3 Mar 31, 2010
There are far more obvious candidates than anyone mentioned in this thread and I am endlessly staggered that IDI so rarely (if ever) mention them.
I'm guessing this is the person who R Westmoreland threatened to sue three or four years ago? Well, he may not have tken action then but you just gave him another XX number of years to sue you again (XX - What is the US limitation on libel action?).
Henri starts a new XX number of years most days with his libelling of Fleet White.
#4 Mar 31, 2010
MIKE KANE: There are these phrases in
here that seem to have some kind of Hollywood connection?
And Biblical connections and Muriel Spark connections. Too bad the investigators didn't pursue the literature theme.
#5 Mar 31, 2010
You and that other poster ("Sunshine?") are both ehfing retards to the nth power.
Let's say there's evidence that suggests the intruder was FW, or RW, or "Santa" BM, or JMK, or anyone else you want to name. ALL of these people clearly could not have been involved together, which means in the real world it is possible for some evidence to exist that points to an innocent person. In fact, they all can't be guilty, but they all could be innocent.
Now, there is evidence that the Ramseys, themselves, were involved. However, unlike anyone else, it can clearly be shown that the Ramseys were in the house that night and had both the motive and opportunity to be involved in JonBenet's death in some way.
#6 Mar 31, 2010
What became of the lawsuit against you?
#7 Mar 31, 2010
I find it strange that when John mentioned the Atlanta Fat Cats, the investigators didn't follow up with any questions as to who they were, what they did, etc.
#8 Mar 31, 2010
Yes, it is. I'm beginning to see, more and more that only theory that really fits what would otherwise be seen as a bizarre crime or a staged crime scene, is your theory. Of course, I don't know your theory in total, not even the half of it, but I do believe you when you say it takes in all the evidence.
I was thinking last night that the Ramseys didn't leave a bowl of pineapple (and perhaps cream) and a glass with a tea bag on their breakfast table and then assault JBR with a paint brush to cover prior sexual abuse. The paint brush had nothing at all to do with prior sexual abuse. It was part of the sacrifice of JB. Not being very conversant with these things, I'm not sure exactly how it was part of the sacrifice, but I'm sure it was.
#9 Mar 31, 2010
No, his theory does not explain the missing Christmas lights, or why some people claim there were Christmas lights on that spiral staircase that Christmas and others claim there were no Christmas lights on the spiral staircase that year.
Also, he claims Patsy sufered some bizarre and unique psychotic episode in which she killed JonBenet on purpose and then staged the crime scene to make it look as if an intruder killed JonBenet. He doesn't explain whether or not Patsy remembers doing any of this, but if she staged the crime scene then she did it because she knew she killed JonBenet. Was the staging part of the psychosis or was it after the fact? Neither answer makes sense.
The ONLY answer that does make sense is that Patsy killed JonBenet accidentally and unintentionally and then staged a crime scene because she feared being socially ostracized and going to prison. The evidence supports this conclusion.
#10 Mar 31, 2010
Your theory is much the same as the largely discredited Steve Thomas hypothetical scenario of a rage over bedwetting. Steve Thomas made it up that that Patsy hurled JonBenet against a bath tub and you have made up a theory that she fell down the stairs and bashed her head on electric light bulbs.
Judge Carnes ruled in 2003 that the only so-called evidence against any Ramsey was that they were at home at the time of the murder.
There is no evidence to indicate that any Ramsey wrote the ransom note as you keep insisting. Those strange marks on JonBenet are almost certainly caused by a stun gun. That stun gun theory is backed up by forensic pathologists. There is no evidence to indicate that any Ramsey had a stun gun.
The only possible evidence you could use to prosecute any Ramsey would be the four red fibers on the duct tape which I consider to be planted police evidence. There is also the pineapple mystery which still hasnít been solved by the Ramseys or by the police. That could be planted evidence as well. This idea of prior sex abuse isnít considered plausible by the FBI. In any case if it did happen there is no evidence at all that any Ramsey was involved in any prior sex abuse.
I donít believe the possibility of child prostitution and child sex rings were ever properly investigated in the Ramsey case. There is no doubt at all that people like Fleet and Priscilla White and Gwen Boykin and Randy Simon and Helgoth and Joe Barnhill Jr and Chris Wolf and Santa Bill and Spade were suspicious characters who all needed a complete background check to make sure they were not involved in any Boulder child sex rings. There is no evidence at all that any Ramsey was involved in any of that.
Steve Thomas disregarded all of those leads and suspects. He jumped to conclusions and he never developed leads and suspects. He didnít even want to know about the Nancy Krebs information or the possibility of a Fleet White child sex party that night.
#11 Mar 31, 2010
This is what Lin Wood has said about the matter in the past on CNN TV:
"WOOD: There were a number of individuals who were involved in the investigation in the first few months who felt strongly that the intruder evidence was strong and it was not being followed.
Thurston Hughes (ph) I mentioned, a former assistant district attorney, a police officer named Steve Ainsworth, who's recognized out in Boulder as one of the best homicide cops still working. Individuals in the D.A.'s office. Mary Keenan worked on this case early on. An individual named Pete Hostrom, who kept a very open mind.
All of those individuals that felt like the intruder evidence was strong and was not being followed were mysteriously removed from the case in 1998 before the grand jury was convened. So that the only people involved as a practical matter were the people who were bent on this idea that the Ramseys had to do it."
#12 Mar 31, 2010
This is what John Ramsey actually said in 1998 about fat cats. It has been distorted on the internet over the years into some sort of suggestion that there was some kind of Fat Cats club in Atlanta.
I have always understood that Priscilla White used the phrase 'fat cats' but I must confess I can't back that up with proof:
5 JOHN RAMSEY: It didn't dawn on me at
6 the time, because we (INAUDIBLE) so much. But that
7 came out later. There was a couple of phrases that
8 came out later: "you must grow a brain"; and we
9 can talk about the of the fat cat; and other fat
10 cats here, or something like that.
11 MIKE KANE: You're not the only fat cat
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. Those are the phrases
14 that we, you know, later we thought we had heard
15 from people around us who have tried to
16 reconstruct who, where.
17 MIKE KANE: When you say we thought?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy and I.
19 MIKE KANE: Okay. And how was it that you
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, grow a brain, fat
22 cats. We'd heard those before.
23 MIKE KANE: Were you ever able to --
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we had some names
25 we came up with. We passed on (INAUDIBLE) our
1 friends in Atlanta, "Atlanta fat cats" later in
2 that week.
3 MIKE KANE: When was that specifically?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: That was when she was back;
5 when we were back for the funeral.
6 MIKE KANE:(INAUDIBLE) friends saying that
Since: Mar 08
#13 Mar 31, 2010
Don Paugh used the term "Fat cats." It wasn't Priscilla, you buffoon.
#14 Mar 31, 2010
Theory: "the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another."
A theory is something that is "made up". It can be derived from various sources, but depending on the veracity of the information the theory may be extremely accuarte or totally inaccurate.
It's a tricky thing coming up with a theory. We come to learn about our environment through experience, the development of theories, the testing of theories, refining theories, proving theories, or discarding them altogether.
I don't see how you can claim that Steve Thomas's theory was "totally" discredited. Where do you get that? Maybe he didn't have everything right, which was difficult to do under the circumstances. However, perhaps the general framwork of his theory is accurate: Patsy killed JonBenet and then staged a crime scene to make it look as if an intruder had been in the house.
Now, even if you can prove Patsy did not kill JonBenet by strangling her with a "garrote" and smashing her head in with a flashlight or baseball bat, that does not discount the entire framework of the theory, unless the only wayt JonBenet could have died was being strangled with a garrote and smashed in the head with a heavy blunt object.
It's easy to show that Patsy killed JonBenet and then staged a crime scene. Her unique handwriting traits found in the ransom note proves that. And since Patsy was there to write the note, she would know what hapened in the house that night, and both she and John are on record as saying that whoever wrote the note killed JonBenet.
The more difficult part is in trying to determine exactly why Patsy killed JonBenet, how and why, that is. That's what I have accomplished. You don't believe it? Fine. But that only goes to show how retarded YOU are.
#15 Mar 31, 2010
JR told police PW used "Fat Cat", and didn't mention the Atlanta Fat Cats til much later. IOW, he pretended not to have a clue what Fat Cat meant to him, until he had to admit it.
#16 Mar 31, 2010
You're free to believe that if you want, but I'm just a little bit more intelligent than you. Wait a minute. A cockroach is just a little bit smarter than you are. I am a LOT smarter than you are.
This piece of sh*t judge did not have the benefit of the case file in Boulder. There was a lot of information, facts and evidence she never had the chance to consider.
Basically, Judge Carnes stated, "IN MY OPINION there is more evidence of an intruder...blah blah balh..." That is her OPINION, you ehfing retard, and has nothing to do with whether or not the Ramseys were involved.
Again, you can choose to believe her, but her statement doesn't PROVE anything. Her opinion is not proof. What's more, she based her opinion on insufficient information, so the veracity of the opinion is in question.
But you go ahead and believe her. I don't have to. I know better.
One more thing. You do not have the intellectual capacity to assess the facts and evidence yourself. All you can do is listen to others' opinions and choose which one you want to believe. You're a retarded moron.
#17 Mar 31, 2010
You're either lying or you're stupid, or both.
#18 Mar 31, 2010
You're either lying or you're stupid, or both. "Almost certainly?" Where's the mathematical formula for that? How did you calculate the "certainty"? You didn't. You're just spewing sh*t out of that sh*t-filled head of yours.
Stun guns leave electrical burns, but they are not "signature burns," which means, moron, that an electrical burn from a stun gun looks exactly like an electrical burn from some other source with the same power output (amp output).
You're stupid. Seriously.
#19 Mar 31, 2010
I would be interested in an exact reference for that statement of yours. Can you provide it?
#20 Mar 31, 2010
A theory is a theory but you need a theory with facts to back that theory up up in a murder case. You don't just 'find' or invent facts to fit that theory as the police seem to think. You go by the evidence.
The rage over bedwetting theory is a load of baloney without facts and so is inventing a motive that JonBenet was murdered to cover up an accident.
There are several unsolved murders in my own city and at least three within the area I used to live. That causes a bad atmosphere of suspicion and puts innocent people in grave peril if there is a lazy and incompetent police force there.
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