Jonbenet's "Secret Santa..."

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Fiona

Teignmouth, UK

#1 Jul 15, 2014
I've read in a couple of places that a witness said Jonbenet was expecting a visit from a "Secret Santa" the night of her death. Anyone know more about this? Could Jonbenet have expected someone that night that the family weren't aware of?

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#2 Jul 15, 2014
Fiona wrote:
I've read in a couple of places that a witness said Jonbenet was expecting a visit from a "Secret Santa" the night of her death. Anyone know more about this? Could Jonbenet have expected someone that night that the family weren't aware of?
Fiona, there are several HUNDRED threads on this board (if not thousands) all containing the elementary information you keep requesting on books, snow and now the secret Santa. Perhaps you might like to peruse the threads and glean what information you can and then maybe your questions would be relevant to what has NOT been discussed, as opposed to what has been discussed over and over for 17 years. Just a thought!
Fiona

Teignmouth, UK

#3 Jul 15, 2014
Well apologies for that. I'd have thought a case 17 years old would have already been discussed from every angle, yet here we still are. I didn't think taking up "room" on a webpage was too much of an inconvenience but if so, I will just read discussions from years ago rather than engage in fresh chats.

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#4 Jul 15, 2014
Fiona wrote:
Well apologies for that. I'd have thought a case 17 years old would have already been discussed from every angle, yet here we still are. I didn't think taking up "room" on a webpage was too much of an inconvenience but if so, I will just read discussions from years ago rather than engage in fresh chats.
The people who have themselves convinced of one outcome of an unknown occurrence, tend not to favor reanalysis of evidence they have already made their minds up about. You see it in this case with the ones who ignore the physical evidence and cry out RDI theories.
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#5 Jul 15, 2014
John and Patsy claimed that Jonbenet was "sound" asleep when they brought her home that night and tucked her into bed. I suppose it could have been possible that her secret Santa could have awakened her and no one else in the household that night. But, truly, what are the chances that happened? Then, again, Patsy would have us all believe that she stood outside Jonbenet's room and screamed for John who was in their bedroom one floor up and he heard her, but Burke, who was asleep in the room down from Jonbenet's did not hear the scream. Acoustics can be tricky, I suppose.

Back to the original question. One of the parents of Jonbenet's friend claims that Jonbenet said she was going to get a visit from Santa after Christmas. Many believe that she was referring to the fact that she was going on the Disney's Big Red Boat after Christmas. That perhaps her family had told her she would be getting another gift after Christmas and she construed it to mean that Santa would be visiting her house a second time that year. Sounds plausible.
soontobecut

Melbourne, Australia

#6 Jul 15, 2014
Fiona wrote:
Well apologies for that. I'd have thought a case 17 years old would have already been discussed from every angle, yet here we still are. I didn't think taking up "room" on a webpage was too much of an inconvenience but if so, I will just read discussions from years ago rather than engage in fresh chats.
The reason you got such a hostile response Fiona is that this is an RDI board and the topic you mentioned is one that does not fit with their theory and they would very much like it to go away
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#7 Jul 15, 2014
This whole case is heartbreaking. At times I forget that I am actually discussing the horrible death of an innocent six year old child. All I see are facts and evidence. I tend to forget that this tragedy was real life. And I hope and pray that perhaps something will come out on one of these forums that will lead to the arrest of the guilty party. I have my candidate just as most everyone who visits these sites has their candidate. But I need to remember that Jonbenet was a flesh and blood little girl that smiled, and pouted; laughed and cried; and dreamed of what she would someday become and maybe of whom she would someday marry. So much was lost with that child as is lost with each and every child that makes contact with the wrong type of person (monster) at the wrong moment in time.
Thisguyohio

Columbus, OH

#8 Jul 15, 2014
what about the pineapple ? it's hard for me to believe that she was asleep when she got home ...and hard to understand how and why an intruder would give her the snack...and if she was asleep I doubt she would wake up and want a snack rather than going right to bed
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#9 Jul 15, 2014
Also, to your original inquiry--the Ramseys were meeting John's other children and going to Michigan for a second Christmas in their home there before making their way to Disney. That could very well have prompted Jonbenet to say that she was going to get a second visit from Santa. No doubt, she would have been receiving more gifts there.
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#10 Jul 15, 2014
Thisguyohio wrote:
what about the pineapple ? it's hard for me to believe that she was asleep when she got home ...and hard to understand how and why an intruder would give her the snack...and if she was asleep I doubt she would wake up and want a snack rather than going right to bed
I doubt there are many of us who believe she was asleep when she got home. Burke reported that she walked up the stairs behind or in front of one of her parents that night upon arriving home. I cannot recall which.

So why DID they adamantly decree that she was "sound" asleep? And why didn't they note the pineapple on the table that was obviously in the wrong type of bowl with the wrong kind of spoon? It looked suspicious on the crime scene photos yet they failed to notice it the morning of the "kidnapping" when their senses should have been alerted to anything out of place? They didn't count on the pineapple still being in her system so then, more than likely, they had to concoct the line about the pineapple because they had already stated that the child was "sound" asleep. And we know that you can't get any more asleep than "sound" asleep as they kept reiterating. And "sound" asleep children can't eat pineapple.
Steve Eller

Bronx, NY

#11 Jul 15, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
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The people who have themselves convinced of one outcome of an unknown occurrence, tend not to favor reanalysis of evidence they have already made their minds up about. You see it in this case with the ones who ignore the physical evidence and cry out RDI theories.
Yes and save for the part about RDI, you fit perfectly into the profile you described.
Rupert

Waterford, Canada

#12 Jul 15, 2014
The Ramseys were not going to have a formal Christmas party that year. Santa was at the last two. Patsy just had 40th birthday party and they were going to Charlevoix immediately after Christmas and then on to the Red Boat Disney cruise. John just had his biliion dollar sales party at Friday Dec 20 downtown Boulder. McSanta called Patsy out of the blue Friday afternoon and asked her to put on a party because Charles Kurault was in town and goingto film McSanta. Patsy said okay and the party was Monday Dec 23. Charles Kuralt never showed up and never was in town. Why did. McSanta want Patsy to have the party? Note there was an emergency call made from the Ramseys during the party. The next day after the party JonBenet tells Bark Kostanick that Santa said there would be a secret visit after Christmas. First Charles Kuralt and then a secret visit. I doubt JonBenet met any other Santa between the party Dec. 23 and lunch at the Kostanicks the very next day. In the space time of a few days, JonBenet was dead.
Mama2JML

Kansas City, MO

#13 Jul 16, 2014
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#14 Jul 16, 2014
Rupert wrote:
The Ramseys were not going to have a formal Christmas party that year. Santa was at the last two. Patsy just had 40th birthday party and they were going to Charlevoix immediately after Christmas and then on to the Red Boat Disney cruise. John just had his biliion dollar sales party at Friday Dec 20 downtown Boulder. McSanta called Patsy out of the blue Friday afternoon and asked her to put on a party because Charles Kurault was in town and goingto film McSanta. Patsy said okay and the party was Monday Dec 23. Charles Kuralt never showed up and never was in town. Why did. McSanta want Patsy to have the party? Note there was an emergency call made from the Ramseys during the party. The next day after the party JonBenet tells Bark Kostanick that Santa said there would be a secret visit after Christmas. First Charles Kuralt and then a secret visit. I doubt JonBenet met any other Santa between the party Dec. 23 and lunch at the Kostanicks the very next day. In the space time of a few days, JonBenet was dead.
Are you alleging that the BPD did not check out McReynold's story about Kuralt's desire to include him in a story about Santas? I think you need to check that out yourself then.

It seems to me that Jonbenet did not state that Santa told her he was going to visit her, she just said that she was going to get a second visit from Santa. And they did check out that allegation and came to the conclusion that she was referring to the subsequent Christmas Party in Michigan or the trip on the Big Red Boat they had planned for her mom's birthday.

The BPD also concluded that McReynolds was too ill to have committed the murder. He was recovering from heart surgery, if I am not mistaken.
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#15 Jul 16, 2014
Also, if she were sound asleep upon returning home, as the Ramseys claimed, how did Santa manage to awaken Jonbenet but no one else in the home that night? I don't see McReynolds trying his luck at jumping down a chimney. And if she weren't sound asleep, why did the Ramseys feel the need to lie about it?
candy

East Lansing, MI

#16 Jul 16, 2014
Santa had a head full of hair and a full beard an NO HAIRS resembling his were found anywhere near the crime scene. "Santa" is another false suspect from Team Scamsey. No one is interested in Team Scamsey's lies, disinformation and false suspects, and publishers won't publish books that peddle them.
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#17 Jul 16, 2014
Candy is right. McReynolds had a full beard. It is reasonable to expect that there would be at least one of his hairs found at the scene. Because they did manage to find fibers from Patsy's jacket in the knot of the ropes.

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#18 Jul 16, 2014
Steve Eller wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and save for the part about RDI, you fit perfectly into the profile you described.
Keep telling yourself that.
Steve Eller

United States

#19 Jul 18, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep telling yourself that.
Actually I was directing that comment to you. As usual you are rehashing the typical non sense. Nothing new for you and the beat goes on...
Rupert

Waterford, Canada

#21 Jul 27, 2014
Who said Santa was there that night?

No one has countered on the Kuralt story.

Yes, maybe Santa told JonBenet that she was going to get a visit after Christmas when they exchanged gifts in Charlevoix, but that is a bit weird. Why would it have to be a secret?

Maybe his obvious attempt to get on TV is just a bit of the limelight.

Santa is just parked over there for the moment.

Rupe

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