Fleet White Thread
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#402 Aug 28, 2007
nonyabiz wrote:
Didn't Lou Smit check out the Whites after Nancy's allegations?
I'm not at all sure that Lou Smit did check out the Whites thoroughly after Nancy's allegations. That was probably on orders from Lockheed Martin Security in order to maintain the Ramsey case cover-up of a Boulder child sex ring and child sex party.

As far as I can remember Lou Smit seemed to be concentrating on Gary Oliva at that time which came to nothing.

I think Jameson, and others, need to back up their sweeping statements that Fleet Whites's handwriting and DNA were properly tested. I agree that it would be extraordinary if Fleet hadn't been tested. I think Fleet's fingerprints would have almost certainly have been taken for comparison purposes.

To my mind, the Boulder cops were only really interested in testing Ramseys and nobody else.

Steve Thomas, a Ramsey case lead detective, in his deposition didn't have much of a clue about whether Fleet White's handwriting had been tested. Priscilla White wasn't even mentioned:

9 Q. Do you know whether the Boulder

10 Police Department obtained historical writings

11 with respect to Chris Wolf's handwriting?

12 A. I don't know. I didn't get very

13 far with Mr. Wolf, Mr. White -- or Mr. Wood,

14 I'm sorry.

15 Q. That's okay. Fleet White's

16 handwriting was tested?

17 A. I believe so, yes.

18 Q. Was he eliminated?

19 A. He fell into a category that he

20 was no longer, if my understanding is

21 correct, and this wasn't my assignment, but

22 by way of detective briefings, Mr. White was

23 not in the running, if you will, by way of a

24 handwriting exemplar.

25 Q. My question is not in the running.

104

1 My question is was he eliminated as the

2 author of the note based on a handwriting

3 analysis conducted by the Boulder Police

4 Department or the CBI?

5 A. I don't know what the CBI expert

6 concluded as far as a categorical elimination

7 of Mr. White.
Ashley

Avondale, AZ

#403 Aug 28, 2007
Thank you Henri. So was he eliminated or not, is the question. I'm wondering how you know jams, that his handwriting is not a match? What about Priscilla? Know anything about that?

I don't know how you can justify saying he's as innocent as a newborn babe that night? Unless, he was in jail or the hospital, it's possible he could have snuck out and been back in bed before anyone knew he was gone. If his guests were sleeping how would they know where he was?

Also, the ransom note ,imo, reeks of him. The notewriter used "we" continously as does Fleet in all of his crazy letter writing. Also, John Ramsey pointed out that he has heard PW use the term "fat cat" before. Coincidence? Possibly and possibly not.

B and other's are right, imo.
Dots

AOL

#404 Aug 28, 2007
JR used "fat cat" to describe his Atlanta friends. Maybe that is where PW picked up the term. He also uses "we" a lot. What is your point?

Mr. White was not "in the running" by virtue of the handwriting exemplars. This is from detective briefings.

People were awake in the White house until 2:00 am. FW went to bed at 11:00pm and never left the residence. Oh sure, I know they are all lying. Everyone is lying except the R's.
icedtea4me

Saint Louis, MO

#405 Aug 28, 2007
Dots wrote:
People were awake in the White house until 2:00 am. FW went to bed at 11:00pm and never left the residence. Oh sure, I know they are all lying. Everyone is lying except the R's.
Like I said before, Dots, Fleet purchased a really long rope that was the distance from his place to the Ramseys and then some. He tied one end to a bedpost and made a huge lasso with the other. Then he opened the window and threw out the lasso, which landed around a tree in the Ramseys' yard. Then he used something that would support his weight as he glided over to the Ramseys.
koldkase

Athens, GA

#406 Aug 28, 2007
Dots wrote:
JR used "fat cat" to describe his Atlanta friends. Maybe that is where PW picked up the term. He also uses "we" a lot. What is your point?
Mr. White was not "in the running" by virtue of the handwriting exemplars. This is from detective briefings.
People were awake in the White house until 2:00 am. FW went to bed at 11:00pm and never left the residence. Oh sure, I know they are all lying. Everyone is lying except the R's.
Yeah, and I'm going to investigate everyone on these forums who use "we", a SUSPECT PRONOUN if ever there was one! Suspects everywhere!

Since: Aug 07

AOL

#407 Aug 28, 2007
So where are the PHOTOS OF THE WHITE'S CHRISTAMS GUESTS? We know he had "California guests". Who were they?

" 7:00 am +
John and Fleet White went to Burke's room and woke him up. According to Schiller, Fleet along with John Fernie drove Burke first to the Fernies' to pick up his children and took all the kids to the Whites' where Whites' houseguests (friends and relatives from California) looked after all the kids. Burke never asked why the family was no longer flying to Michigan as planned, where his sister was, or why police were in the house. At 7:45am Fleet and Fernie returned to the Ramsey home."

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6...
koldkase

Athens, GA

#408 Aug 28, 2007
Ask jams. Maybe you'll believe HER.
icedtea4me

Saint Louis, MO

#409 Aug 28, 2007
koldkase wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and I'm going to investigate everyone on these forums who use "we", a SUSPECT PRONOUN if ever there was one! Suspects everywhere!
LOL!!! You do that, koldkase, and I'll investigate everyone who uses "the", a suspect definite article, for sure!
icedtea4me

Saint Louis, MO

#410 Aug 28, 2007
et al wrote:
So where are the PHOTOS OF THE WHITE'S CHRISTAMS GUESTS? We know he had "California guests". Who were they?
Someone correct me on this, but I believe they were Priscilla's sister and her boyfriend.
joejam

Chickasha, OK

#411 Aug 28, 2007
Is that who it was It4M....? I thought there were more than 2.
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#412 Aug 29, 2007
icedtea4me wrote:
<quoted text>
Someone correct me on this, but I believe they were Priscilla's sister and her boyfriend.
Fleet White's Californian guests were Cliff Gaston (Priscilla's sister's boyfriend) who was supposed to be sleeping by 2.00am (PMPT page 34). There was Bill Cox, who I presume was the husband of Heather Cox, who was a niece of Priscilla White. Heather Cox was some kind of sports reporter for CNN.

There were Priscilla' parents, although there is some doubt as to whether they actually stayed at Fleet's house.

Priscilla's sister was there who was supposed to have chatted with Priscilla until 1am. I've gone and forgotten her name. It was something like Allison Schoeney.

There used to be a photo on the internet of the people at the Whites' party which is no longer on the internet. I'm pretty sure it included Priscilla's parents and Priscilla, and even JonBenet.

The interesting thing to me is that John and Patsy never seemed to mention those Fleet White guests as being at the Whites' Xmas party. They may have gone somewhere else for Christmas day.

The JonBenet forum poster Eagle has been harping on for years that she heard or read once some rumor that Gaston and Cox were in some Kali murder cult. Nobody else seems to have much of an idea about that information.

This is part of what I wrote about this matter on this Topix forum last September for a bit of background information:

"The official line is that Fleet White did have some family guests from California that Christmas. As far as I can judge they were mostly relations of Priscilla White.

There was Gaston and Cox. I think it's Cliff Gaston and Bill Cox. I think Bill Cox was the husband of Heather Cox who was Priscilla's niece. She worked as a sports reporter for CNN. I believe Priscilla's sister was there, and Priscilla's parents.

I'm sorry if this isn't entirely accurate. I did have all the information at my fingertips a few years ago. I think Gaston was a partner, or boyfriend, of somebody. It may have been Priscilla's sister but I've forgotten her surname. Somebody once posted on the internet that Priscilla's parents didn't stay at Fleet's house for the night. I suppose they must have stayed at a hotel somewhere. Nobody has ever mentioned which hotel.

I believe John Ramsey said in a depostion that some of Fleet's guests were at the Ramsey party on 23rd December without ther wives and girlfriends.

Steve Thomas was asked by Lin Wood a few years ago if Gaston and Cox had ever been tested for hair, blood, DNA and the rest of it. Steve Thomas replied as usual that he didn't know, and that it was Detective Jane Harmer's assignment.

Fleet's alibi came from Priscilla who said that Fleet went to bed that night at 11pm. She said she stayed up talking to 1pm in the morning. Frankly, I have my doubts about that.

I don't really like mentioning Fleet's kids because in a way they may know nothing. There was a rumor that before JonBenet's murder Daphne White was believed lost. Fleet called John Ramsey over to search for her. The rumor was that Daphne was found hiding naked in Fleet's house, which I find a bit odd. Nancy Krebs did mention once that she considered Daphne White to be in moral danger."
Capricorn

New York, NY

#413 Aug 29, 2007
Yet, Daphne White grew up to be a self thinking, confident young lady who obviously wasn't in moral danger....and it's been ten years!

I guess Nancy was wrong....I don't know how that could have happened, but alas, she was, in fact, wrong as we know. Daphne herself is living proof of that; no documentation needed.

And..ten years later, she is still alive

You question the alibis of the Whites and their guests, yet the only alibis the Ramseys have are each other and John was so asleep (the melatonin) he would have no way of knowing if Patsy stayed up the whole night.

How do they get to be believed and nobody else, especially since they were known and admitted to being in the house?

Logic is nowhere to be found in any of your inane suppositions
nonyabiz

Clovis, CA

#414 Aug 29, 2007
Henri you are getting old. Forgetful and you are mixing things up again.
The question was a trick one. Yes Lou Smitt checked into the Whites backrounds, associates, friends, etc. He found nothing because there was nothing to find.
There used to be a photo on the internet of the people at the Whites' party which is no longer on the internet.
There has NEVER been a photo of the White's 1996 Christmas party EVER on the internet. If there ever had been I'm sure someone would have copied it immediately and put it up somewhere or emailed it around to everyone they knew.
Not ONE of Nancy's family members were at the White's Christmas 1996. Not one. Not her mother, nor her niece. It's been verified.

And for et al, why don't you try 'researching' the ACandyRose website for a change? She has the actual depositions from the Ramsey's posted as well as many other legal documents that may actually help you learn something about this case instead of your assertions about child pedophile rings that you keep insisting existed back in the mid-late 1960's. I find it very interesting after reading some the archives that YOU are very much like the poster Mary99 was at JusticeWatch.
Patricia Fox

Atlanta, GA

#415 Aug 29, 2007
Henri McPhee wrote:
<quoted text>
Nancy Krebs did mention once that she considered Daphne White to be in moral danger."
Since we know that Daphne has turned out to be a fine young woman, I guess we can add this to our neverending list of inaccurate things that NKs' said..

It appears that DW's morals are a little higher than a lot of other students at her school..
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#416 Aug 29, 2007
nonyabiz wrote:
Henri you are getting old. Forgetful and you are mixing things up again.
The question was a trick one. Yes Lou Smitt checked into the Whites backrounds, associates, friends, etc. He found nothing because there was nothing to find.
<quoted text>
There has NEVER been a photo of the White's 1996 Christmas party EVER on the internet. If there ever had been I'm sure someone would have copied it immediately and put it up somewhere or emailed it around to everyone they knew.
Not ONE of Nancy's family members were at the White's Christmas 1996. Not one. Not her mother, nor her niece. It's been verified.
I do wish nonyabiz wouldn't keep saying things are facts, which certainly aren't facts.

There is no evidence that Fleet White was wealthier than John Ramsey at the time of JonBenet's murder, or that Daphnie White was lovelier that JonBenet, as nonyabiz insists.

Nobody knows for certain what Lou Smit has investigated. Lou Smit would never tell internet posters what he knows about the Whites anyway.

The problem with Lou Smit is that he has never been the senior officer in charge of the JonBenet murder investigation. Lou Smit doesn't have to investigate the Whites if he doesn't want to. To be brutally frank about it, it's not really his job.

I agree with nonyabiz that it has probably been verified that Nancy's mom and niece were not at a Christnmas night child sex party at Fleet's house. As Nancy Krebs said at her Boulder police interview, it hasn't been verified if a child sex party was held somewhere else in Boulder.

Nonyabiz shouldn't say that Nancy's niece didn't live in Colorado and that her niece wasn't a child prostitute. I fully understand that Nancy was always a bit sensitive, and circumspect, about all that and that Nancy's niece is still a minor.

It's just we are talking about a brutal murder here. If nonyabiz is going to say that Nancy didn't have a niece and she didn't live in Colorado then I would say that he is not only mistaken, but lying.

If nonyabiz is saying that Nancy's niece wasn't a child prostitute in Colorado and Boulder then I say let the chips fall where they may. Just let that be verified with a thorough and proper investigation.

Nnacy's mom told the Boulder police that she visited Fleet and Priscilla in Boulder, Halloween 1996, but not Christams. Nancy's mom told the Boulder cops she was in California, 1996. Some women lie. Nancy's mom told one of Nancy's cousins that she was in Colorado, Christmas 1996. That should raise red flags.

I don't know if I'm seeing things but I distinctly remember a group photo on the internet a few years ago with Priscilla's father standing on the back row. I'm pretty sure that JonBenet was in it, and Priscilla, and some others like the White kids. Gaston and Cox and their wives and girlfriends were not on the photo. I assumed at the time that was at the Whites' Xmas party. That photo is no longer on the internet.

I seem to remember Ashley commenting on that photo a few years ago and saying something like Priscilla's father looked a bit creepy. I would be interested to know if Ashley can remember anything about that photo.
icedtea4me

Saint Louis, MO

#417 Aug 29, 2007
Henri McPhee wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know if I'm seeing things but I distinctly remember a group photo on the internet a few years ago with Priscilla's father standing on the back row. I'm pretty sure that JonBenet was in it, and Priscilla, and some others like the White kids. Gaston and Cox and their wives and girlfriends were not on the photo. I assumed at the time that was at the Whites' Xmas party. That photo is no longer on the internet.
The photo of which you speak is most likely from the Ramseys' party on Dec 23 and it is on the net.
nonyabiz

Clovis, CA

#418 Aug 29, 2007
I can't even be bothered to respond to this drunken pedophilic moron as all he has are his SICK and PERVERTED alcoholic fantasies. He has apparently been slinging this garbage for many many years and even though people who KNOW Nancy directly refutes his idiotic fantasy he continues to do all he can to argue they are WRONG.
I think he's jealous of the White family because they have money and class and he has neither.
jameson

AOL

#419 Aug 29, 2007
The photo was taken at the Ramsey's Christmas Party on the 23rd. No photos from the Whites have been released ever. I believe they are all in the police files and neither family got copies.

I don't know what happened to Nancy's niece. Personally, if I was her sister, I would have cut all contact with Nancy long ago to protect my child from her delusions.

Whatever -- the child was not in Boulder at some sex party that led to a murder that Christmas night. We have no evidence that she was ever at any sex party. I think everyone should leave her alone and pray she is in a safe and caring place -- not jump to the conclusion that she is a whore based on Nancy's stories.
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#420 Aug 29, 2007
nonyabiz wrote:
I can't even be bothered to respond to this drunken pedophilic moron as all he has are his SICK and PERVERTED alcoholic fantasies. He has apparently been slinging this garbage for many many years and even though people who KNOW Nancy directly refutes his idiotic fantasy he continues to do all he can to argue they are WRONG.
I think he's jealous of the White family because they have money and class and he has neither.
It's nothing of the kind.

If nonyabiz comes on to the internet on this Topix forum and says that Nancy's niece didn't live in Colorado, and that Nancy's niece wasn't a child prostitute in Colorado, or even Boulder, and that Fleet White was much wealthier than John Ramsey, or that Daphne White was much more lovely than JonBenet Ramsey, then nonyabiz must back that up with some evidence.

It's simply not good enough to peddle lies on the internet. I also think calling somebody an alcoholic, or a pervert, or pedophile, or on drugs, is libel, unless that can be proved to be true.

I don't know if it's because nonyabiz is just mistaken. Nonyabiz might have had a passing acquaintance with Nancy Krebs in California for all I know, or nonyabiz might be lying about that matter as well.

It's just when Nonyabiz loudly proclaims on this forum that Nancy's niece didn't live in Colorado, with her mother, who was Nancy's sister, then as far as I'm concerned nonyabiz is talking twaddle.

There must still be good documentation in America of where Nancy's niece and sister lived at the time of JonBenet's murder.
koldkase

Athens, GA

#421 Aug 29, 2007
nonyabiz wrote:
I find it very interesting after reading some the archives that YOU are very much like the poster Mary99 was at JusticeWatch.
Ya' think? LOL

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