Since: Feb 12

Bayville, NJ

#416 Jun 4, 2012
The Truth Hurts wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a Fruit Loop.
*** NO I am not, but I do enjoy eating them.(Fruit Loop Cereal) You are bothered by something I posted. TOO BAD for YOU.
The Truth Hurts

Farmington, MI

#417 Jun 4, 2012
Justice1313 wrote:
<quoted text> *** NO I am not, but I do enjoy eating them.(Fruit Loop Cereal) You are bothered by something I posted. TOO BAD for YOU.
I am not bothered by anything you say. I actually have a soft spot in my heart for the mentally ill. ;)
The Truth Hurts

Farmington, MI

#418 Jun 4, 2012
Justice1313 wrote:
<quoted text> *** NO I am not, but I do enjoy eating them.(Fruit Loop Cereal) You are bothered by something I posted. TOO BAD for YOU.
BTW...you know what they say - "you are what you eat." ;)
mama

Saint Louis, MO

#419 Jun 5, 2012
Justice1313 wrote:
Did JonBenet's mother have any Karate training? Did she own a wooden Karate training sword? WHICH PARENT MADE THE CALL TO get out of dodge WHILE THEIR CHILD LAY DEAD ON A floor???
Which loving parent wrote the ransom note?

Since: Feb 12

Bayville, NJ

#420 Jun 5, 2012
mama wrote:
<quoted text>
Which loving parent wrote the ransom note?
*** I believe William ( Bill ) Ramsey wrote the ransom note. The letter -- P -- with a slash across it is his signature. The sin of PRIDE is his motive. He and his (2) friends had been out of work during the 1996 Christmas. Bill knew the nick-name used by the parents toward their daughter in the early days of the investigation. He was asked if he was related to the child found dead in Colorado, by his fellow students. He yelled out, " I don't know no JohnniB ". He then stormed out of class while ordering everyone to call him by his NEW name: Larry Rohn. He has changed his name many times since then.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#422 Feb 28, 2013
DNA match leads to an arrest in a 1982 cold case homicide:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/01/dna-matc...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#423 Feb 28, 2013
In 2010, DNA technology had advanced to allow testing of SMALL OR DEGRADED samples of evidence that were previously unable to be tested. In 2010, Sheriff's Detectives again submitted evidence from the Billingsley homicide to the OSP Crime Lab for DNA analysis.

A DNA profile was identified but didn't match any people currently in the DNA database.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/february28...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#424 Apr 11, 2013
"Boulder County District Attorney Stan Garnett, a supporter of the measure, said it's a valid concern regarding broadness to which misdemeanors in Colorado fall within the law and would require a DNA sample upon conviction.

"But unless the collection is pretty broad, it's almost meaningless, it doesn't provide the base of law enforcement information that we need to build these cases," Garnett said."

Read more: Colorado bill to require DNA sample for minor offenses passes House committee - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_230...
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candy

East Lansing, MI

#427 Apr 11, 2013
Stan is right. That misdemeanor DNA databank HAS TO be broad, or it's meaningless. They already whittled it down to just Class one misdemeanors. To me, next to doing what LE in this case wanted to do from day one, and go to the manufacturing plant in Asia, this is the best way to ID that DNA that is unsourced. Either someone who committed a misdemeanor that has not been caught or charged with a felony yet, or someone that committed a misdemeanor, and not any felonies, that you can link to this DNA and because of other factors, prove they did not commit this crime.

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#429 Apr 13, 2013
The foreign DNA samples from Jonbenet are just one of tens of thousands (more?) of unmatched crime scene DNA samples in the CODIS database. Even if we were to say that some percentage of those samples had actual “innocent” explanations we would still be left with tens of thousands (more?) of unmatched crime scene samples in the database. However, extensive testing conducted (iirc, Beckner said over 200 persons) has served to lessen the probability of “innocent” explanation.

This means that there is nothing unusual, abnormal or suspect about the Jonbenet foreign DNA being unmatched. It simply means that this person’s DNA is not in the database. At least, not now. I don’t think it ever will be.

As for the new bill proposed (in
colo.), I’m a little confused. is it saying that a sample will be collected and stored in the database only after conviction? Better than nothing, I suppose.


AK
pop goes the world

Atlanta, GA

#430 Apr 13, 2013
Good idea posters

pop
candy

East Lansing, MI

#431 Apr 13, 2013
"Quote" "This means that there is nothing unusual, abnormal or suspect about the Jonbenet foreign DNA being unmatched."

I disagree. With the personalized ransom note, knowledge of the family, THEY HAD TO BE IN BOULDER AT THE TIME OF THE CRIME, it shortens the LIST as to who could have committed this crime, and it's MOST UNUSUAL it's never been matched, if you're betting it's an intruder's DNA.

Quote: "As for the new bill proposed (in
colo.), I’m a little confused. is it saying that a sample will be collected and stored in the database only after conviction? Better than nothing, I suppose."

It's a continuation of what they have now under "Katie's law" in Colorado. Under Katie's Law, when you are first CHARGED with a felony, your DNA is taken, and put in a special DNA databank. If you are then CONVICTED of a FELONY ONLY, your DNA is entered into CODIS. It would be the same procedure for a misdemeanor, the DNA is taken when there is an arrest and misdemeanor charge, and only entered into CODIS upon a misdemeanor conviction.

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#432 Apr 14, 2013
Yes, it should be a short list but the short list is a subset of a larger list.

The short list is made up of those known to be in recent contact with the victim leading up to her death and after her death leading up to the autopsy. Most of this list has been tested and not matched. This simply means that the source is someone not on that list.

The larger list is those in Boulder and surrounding area on the night of the crime. How many of those people are in the DNA database? I would venture, not many. Tens of thousands of persons in Boulder and surrounding area on the night of the crime means that there are tens of thousands of potential matches who have never had their DNA submitted to the database and who will never have their DNA submitted to the database. The foreign DNA found on Jonbenet belongs to one of those tens of thousands.


AK

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#434 Apr 15, 2013
If the tens of thousands had no contact with JBR, then how can you say they would be a potential match, who remains untested? And further state the foreign DNA belongs to one of those people?

If they had no contact they aren't the killer!

If the foreign DNA doesn't match those who were in contact, then it is most likely an artifact. No killer there!
Anti-K wrote:
Yes, it should be a short list but the short list is a subset of a larger list.
The short list is made up of those known to be in recent contact with the victim leading up to her death and after her death leading up to the autopsy. Most of this list has been tested and not matched. This simply means that the source is someone not on that list.
The larger list is those in Boulder and surrounding area on the night of the crime. How many of those people are in the DNA database? I would venture, not many. Tens of thousands of persons in Boulder and surrounding area on the night of the crime means that there are tens of thousands of potential matches who have never had their DNA submitted to the database and who will never have their DNA submitted to the database. The foreign DNA found on Jonbenet belongs to one of those tens of thousands.

AK

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#435 Apr 15, 2013
DrSeussMd wrote:
If the tens of thousands had no contact with JBR, then how can you say they would be a potential match, who remains untested? And further state the foreign DNA belongs to one of those people?
If they had no contact they aren't the killer!
If the foreign DNA doesn't match those who were in contact, then it is most likely an artifact. No killer there!
<quoted text>
?
I’m saying that the CODIS DNA sample(s) likely came from someone who was in Boulder or the surrounding area on the night of the crime. That list is made up of tens of thousands of people and that list is a list of possible matches.


AK

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#438 Apr 17, 2013
It is almost a certainty that JBR knew her killer for the following reasons. This, considerably, narrows the prospective DNA donor base.

1. The ransom note writer was familiar with the Ramseys

2. JBR ate pineapple around 30 minutes before being gravely wounded.

3. The perpetrator displayed a certain amount of comfort in the home.

4. Even John, upon finding the body, said: "This is an inside job".

5. Prior abuse. The death is, most certainly, connected with prior abuse. Only someone, with access to JBR, could have been the abuser.

6. If the perp was not a family member, or close friend of the family, the perp was, most certainly,
a psychotic, perverted fiend. Such a person does not stop with one attack. Such a person's DNA would be in a database.

Therefore, the DNA is, most likely, inconsequential to the matter at hand.

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#440 Apr 19, 2013
1. The ransom note writer was familiar with the Ramseys – not verified, opinion only, controversial

2. JBR ate pineapple around 30 minutes before being gravely wounded.– meaningless; she could have easily ate it on her own without anyone knowing about it

3. The perpetrator displayed a certain amount of comfort in the home.- agree

4. Even John, upon finding the body, said: "This is an inside job".– john may have been clueless or wrong

5. Prior abuse. The death is, most certainly, connected with prior abuse. Only someone, with access to JBR, could have been the abuser.– no evidence to support claim that death and prior abuse are connected

6. If the perp was not a family member, or close friend of the family, the perp was, most certainly,
a psychotic, perverted fiend. Such a person does not stop with one attack. Such a person's DNA would be in a database.– many such persons are not in the database, maybe most of them. he could have been incapacitated shortly after the murder - death, disease, injury, incarceration; could have left the country; could have changed his evil ways; could have stopped after one attack because the one attack was “personal” and not the act of a psycho or pervert.


AK

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#441 Apr 19, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
1. The ransom note writer was familiar with the Ramseys – not verified, opinion only, controversial
2. JBR ate pineapple around 30 minutes before being gravely wounded.– meaningless; she could have easily ate it on her own without anyone knowing about it
3. The perpetrator displayed a certain amount of comfort in the home.- agree
4. Even John, upon finding the body, said: "This is an inside job".– john may have been clueless or wrong
5. Prior abuse. The death is, most certainly, connected with prior abuse. Only someone, with access to JBR, could have been the abuser.– no evidence to support claim that death and prior abuse are connected
6. If the perp was not a family member, or close friend of the family, the perp was, most certainly,
a psychotic, perverted fiend. Such a person does not stop with one attack. Such a person's DNA would be in a database.– many such persons are not in the database, maybe most of them. he could have been incapacitated shortly after the murder - death, disease, injury, incarceration; could have left the country; could have changed his evil ways; could have stopped after one attack because the one attack was “personal” and not the act of a psycho or pervert.

AK
Here's another one for you.

FBI FACTOID: Child found dead in home. 90% of the time, it's parents or family member.

I've listed about 7 things which suggest familiarity. No one category indicates 100% familiarity, but, taken together, the 7 items present overwhelming evidence of familiarity.

If you really are leaning toward an intruder, you would do yourself a favor by looking heavily at a close acquaintance.

Since: Oct 08

Grande Prairie, Canada

#442 Apr 19, 2013
learnin wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's another one for you.
FBI FACTOID: Child found dead in home. 90% of the time, it's parents or family member.
I've listed about 7 things which suggest familiarity. No one category indicates 100% familiarity, but, taken together, the 7 items present overwhelming evidence of familiarity.
If you really are leaning toward an intruder, you would do yourself a favor by looking heavily at a close acquaintance.
Sadly, statistics only tell us what happens in most cases but not what happened in an individual case.

I think that your list of familiarity could be expanded and I know that a lot of IDI would agree with you on this point.

However, it is possible for someone to become familiar with another person without that person's knowledge. You can follow them around, spy on them, poke through their trash, sneak into their house, peruse public records, etc. The killer could have been familiar with the Ramseys and their home, while remaining completely unknown to them.


AK

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#443 Apr 19, 2013
Anti-K wrote:
<quoted text>
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I’m saying that the CODIS DNA sample(s) likely came from someone who was in Boulder or the surrounding area on the night of the crime. That list is made up of tens of thousands of people and that list is a list of possible matches.

AK
Boulder or the surrounding area? Why do you try and soft-pedal and/or obfuscate the obvious truth?

The person would have had to have been IN THE HOME to kill JBR, not merely "in the surrounding area".

{{{sigh}}}

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