Home Invasion
First Prev
of 2
Next Last
WV Sleuth

Washington, DC

#2 Aug 13, 2009
You've GOT to get off those meds. I'm telling you..
learnin

Valley Falls, KS

#5 Aug 13, 2009
Actually, I'm glad Shill brought this scenario up because it shows how important it is to look at the evidence as a whole and apply Occam's razor.

You see. Shill could always say: "Well, after killing the little girl, they staged it to make it look like the parents did it." Or as AK might project. "They staged it to taunt the police....it was set up for the benefit of the police"

or Shill might also say: "Well, they wrote the ransom note, in order to delay the police so they could get out of Dodge.
learnin

Valley Falls, KS

#6 Aug 13, 2009
The point being. Let's look at the whole scene, and evidence we know about, and find what is most probable.

That's why the pineapple time line (for one thing) is so important. What is most likely and probable if that little girl ate pineapple and was whacked within 30 minutes? Family, acquaintance or complete stranger?

Who would gain the most by writing a completely false and misleading ransom note? Family, friend or complete stranger....

Thanks Shill for presenting another possible scenario and showing that we must look at what is most probable...

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#8 Aug 14, 2009
TTAGPINE wrote:
<quoted text>Some brillient criminals! They forgot to disable the video cameras or take the video evidence. Then they murdered the people that could open the safe. Then, they made their getaway in a red van, then painted the van RED so it wouldn't be recognizable. You think this is compares with the Ramsey case? UNBELIEVABLE!
The had a guy who was suppose to disable the security cameras remotely, but failed to do so.
Had those security cameras been disabled, it would have taken someone involved blabbing about it before they would be caught.
They didn't repaint the van red, they just painted some collision damage to cover it.

And they haven't ruled out this was a hired hit made to look like a robbery.

See, we learnin something, even when there are news articles and TV coverage of what went down in a crime, we still have posters that are way off the mark, assuming the criminals were idiots for killing someone who could open the safe, when it may be that they were just there for the killing and they didn't care about opening the safe.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#9 Aug 14, 2009
If Brother Moon can pedal his psycho Patsy theory of her living out the novel The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie with out harrasment, then I should be able to go out on a limb and pitch an unbelievable story too.
Old South

AOL

#10 Aug 14, 2009
For a noticeable difference between the Pensacola investigation of the Billings case and the Boulder investigation of the Ramsey case:

"David Melenkevitz, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration, said his agency is assisting with the investigation but would not comment further. He said Escambia County officials have also sought help from other federal agencies including the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."

Note that Escambia County officials have ALSO sought help from other federal agencies, including the FBI...etc.

Obviously these officials know the importance of bringing in top LE investigators to assist when dealing with a murder case in which outside aid can be so valuable in its resolution. No false pride in these guys...

I might also ask how is it the FBI can be brought in on this case, yet Boulder officials keep saying they would have no jurisdiction in the Ramsey case? Where does the buck stop?
TTAGPINE

Sunset, LA

#11 Aug 14, 2009
Old South wrote:
For a noticeable difference between the Pensacola investigation of the Billings case and the Boulder investigation of the Ramsey case:
"David Melenkevitz, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration, said his agency is assisting with the investigation but would not comment further. He said Escambia County officials have also sought help from other federal agencies including the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."
Note that Escambia County officials have ALSO sought help from other federal agencies, including the FBI...etc.
Obviously these officials know the importance of bringing in top LE investigators to assist when dealing with a murder case in which outside aid can be so valuable in its resolution. No false pride in these guys...
I might also ask how is it the FBI can be brought in on this case, yet Boulder officials keep saying they would have no jurisdiction in the Ramsey case? Where does the buck stop?
I could be wrong, but I think the FBI will only get involved if it's a kidnapping.
TTAGPINE

Sunset, LA

#12 Aug 14, 2009
TTAGPINE wrote:
<quoted text>Some brillient criminals! They forgot to disable the video cameras or take the video evidence. Then they murdered the people that could open the safe. Then, they made their getaway in a red van, then painted the van RED so it wouldn't be recognizable. You think this is compares with the Ramsey case? UNBELIEVABLE!
P.S. I forgot about the Ninja outfits!
TTAGPINE

Sunset, LA

#13 Aug 14, 2009
shill wrote:
<quoted text>The had a guy who was suppose to disable the security cameras remotely, but failed to do so.
Had those security cameras been disabled, it would have taken someone involved blabbing about it before they would be caught.
They didn't repaint the van red, they just painted some collision damage to cover it.
And they haven't ruled out this was a hired hit made to look like a robbery.
See, we learnin something, even when there are news articles and TV coverage of what went down in a crime, we still have posters that are way off the mark, assuming the criminals were idiots for killing someone who could open the safe, when it may be that they were just there for the killing and they didn't care about opening the safe.
I suppose they were planning to blame the "hired hit" on the local Mafia's arched enemies, the local Ninja mob?
Old South

AOL

#14 Aug 14, 2009
TTAGPINE wrote:
<quoted text>I could be wrong, but I think the FBI will only get involved if it's a kidnapping.
Well, I consider the Ramsey case a kidnapping. She was moved from her bed to the basement and a note was left.

When one of the McReynolds sons was convicted on a kidnapping charge, they said it was a kidnapping because he took a woman from one location to another (within the same building) at gunpoint, thus establishing grounds for kidnapping.

I see no difference between the two cases.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#15 Aug 14, 2009
TTAGPINE wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose they were planning to blame the "hired hit" on the local Mafia's arched enemies, the local Ninja mob?
That was the beauty of it, if it was a hit, it was disguised to look like a home invasion gone bad.
You just skim posts don't you?
TTAGPINE

Sunset, LA

#16 Aug 14, 2009
Old South wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I consider the Ramsey case a kidnapping. She was moved from her bed to the basement and a note was left.
When one of the McReynolds sons was convicted on a kidnapping charge, they said it was a kidnapping because he took a woman from one location to another (within the same building) at gunpoint, thus establishing grounds for kidnapping.
I see no difference between the two cases.
We don't know with any certainty that JB was taken from her bed. As unlikely as it may be, she may have already been in the basement. Plus, JB was murdered, making a ransom note pretty much useless for getting a ransom. Was McReynolds charged with or convicted of murder?
TTAGPINE

Sunset, LA

#17 Aug 14, 2009
shill wrote:
<quoted text>That was the beauty of it, if it was a hit, it was disguised to look like a home invasion gone bad.
You just skim posts don't you?
shillow grave, you have a morbid sense of humor.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#18 Feb 25, 2013
For the archives:

www.rockymountainnews.com

October 1, 1997

No Forced Entry, Says Locksmith
Break-In at Ramsey House Under Question:

By: Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer

BOULDER -- No one broke into the Ramsey home the night JonBenet was killed, according to the owner of a security company that changed the locks after the little girl died.
"There was no forcible entry,'' said Tom Johnston, who owns Buffalo Lock and Key Inc.
Boulder police hired Johnston's company to replace all the locks at 755 15th St. several days after JonBenet's Christmas night death.
The Ramsey camp's theory that an intruder killed JonBenet was bolstered Monday when unsealed court documents revealed pry marks on the kitchen door.
Johnston's serviceman saw the pry marks, but Johnston isn't convinced that means a killer got into the Ramsey home the night of Dec. 26."
The Truth Hurts

United States

#20 Feb 26, 2013
Was there a ransom note involved in that case, SIG?
The case you posted the link to is so different from the JB case that I fear it is you who may be living under a rock.
Nice try. You just keep grasping at those straws now, ya hear?
The Truth Hurts

United States

#22 Feb 26, 2013
It's amazing to me the extent of foolishness and irrationality to which the IDI cult will go to to deny the probability that this crime may have been committed by family members. One would think the IDI's lives depended on it being an intruder.

Would it kill you to consider the possibility that the Ramseys are guilty?

Yeah. I think it would.

FYI..I've considered an intruder many times and it just doesn't fit. Sorry.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#24 May 22, 2015
The horrific murders in the "DC mansion case" of a husband, wife, son and housekeeper brought to my attention once again other REAL home invasions. These are cases where there is NO DOUBT there was an intruder that killed family members living in the house . How alike or NOT alike are they to the Ramsey case?

In the DC mansion case, the killers (because the police said there is evidence of more than one perp) killed THE ENTIRE family. They didn't single any one person out to take from a HOUSE FULL OF PEOPLE, and then not take them out of the residence, but kill them in the residence. NO, everyone alive in the house was killed. No ransom note or anything else to divert attention away, but a conscious effort to destroy evidence by burning the house down, burning the Porsche, and erasing the home security camera footage.

There was a very similar case in Connecticut a few years ago, where 2 ex con intruders entered the home and killed everyone but the dad. The intruders also killed everyone they could, not just one person.

IN CASES WHERE THE MOTIVE WAS SEXUAL: The Polly Klass case, where the ex-con intruder entered the home, kidnapped Polly with others in the home, TOOK HER OUT OF THE HOUSE to a field, raped and killed her. The same with Samantha Runion case. The same with the Elizabeth Smart case, where she was able to survive her kidnapping until she was rescued. These girls were taken while others were in the house, BUT ASSAULTED ELSEWHERE, NOT in the family home, as is was the case with JonBenet.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#25 May 23, 2015
Not to mention the DC monster had a direct connection to the victim's business and the police discovered the information within days. Yet here we are so many years later and there is no connection to anyone for Jonbenet's death other than Burke, Patsy, and John Ramsey.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#26 May 23, 2015
The little boy was killed differently... The adults are mentioned to have been beaten and bludgeoned, targeted with all the hate and physical anger anyone could muster but that is not mentioned regarding the murder of the child.

Since: Jul 14

Location hidden

#27 May 23, 2015
candy wrote:
The horrific murders in the "DC mansion case" of a husband, wife, son and housekeeper brought to my attention once again other REAL home invasions. These are cases where there is NO DOUBT there was an intruder that killed family members living in the house . How alike or NOT alike are they to the Ramsey case?
In the DC mansion case, the killers (because the police said there is evidence of more than one perp) killed THE ENTIRE family. They didn't single any one person out to take from a HOUSE FULL OF PEOPLE, and then not take them out of the residence, but kill them in the residence. NO, everyone alive in the house was killed. No ransom note or anything else to divert attention away, but a conscious effort to destroy evidence by burning the house down, burning the Porsche, and erasing the home security camera footage.
There was a very similar case in Connecticut a few years ago, where 2 ex con intruders entered the home and killed everyone but the dad. The intruders also killed everyone they could, not just one person.
IN CASES WHERE THE MOTIVE WAS SEXUAL: The Polly Klass case, where the ex-con intruder entered the home, kidnapped Polly with others in the home, TOOK HER OUT OF THE HOUSE to a field, raped and killed her. The same with Samantha Runion case. The same with the Elizabeth Smart case, where she was able to survive her kidnapping until she was rescued. These girls were taken while others were in the house, BUT ASSAULTED ELSEWHERE, NOT in the family home, as is was the case with JonBenet.
I never thought of comparing the Ramsey case to others in this manner. Excellent points!

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

JonBenet Ramsey Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Censorship re: Ramsey Case? 1 min kauna 29
Jameson's Windfall (May '07) 3 min Jolamom 783
Jameson's latest stunt... 6 min boop 45
Evidence against Patsy Ramsey (Jun '07) 26 min robert 302
Arms Above Head 30 min Texxy 365
News JonBenet Family Attorney: CBS Lawsuit Coming So... 39 min Texxy 106
John starts to say "Rrrr" as in rape but catche... 50 min Texxy 13
GSLDPD99178617 - the DNA that matters! 1 hr Right44 138
funeral clothes (Sep '09) 1 hr Texxy 44
More from around the web