Note-odd detail?

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#149 Jul 22, 2014
This case will bother me until the killer is found. I have little faith in a DNA match from the national database. What is unrealistic but might help is getting a DNA sample from all of the Ramsey's workers, business partners, family freinds, and associates. Unrealistic and if money was not a factor.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#150 Jul 22, 2014
The DNA will always be meaningless until they release the entire report, period.

When that is released and we see ALL the RAMSEY DNA that likely was found, the case will go further.

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#151 Jul 22, 2014
Capricorn wrote:
The DNA will always be meaningless until they release the entire report, period.
When that is released and we see ALL the RAMSEY DNA that likely was found, the case will go further.
I want clarification on where exactly the DNA was extracted from. I know there was DNA isolated from her blood. But I have never seen consistent confirmation that this DNA also matched the one from underneath her fingernail.

I have heard a theory about a possible oral sexual assault where blood was drawn and the killer's saliva was mixed with it, and that caused the mixed DNA sample in her underpants.
Undrtheradar

Miami, FL

#152 Jul 22, 2014
JimmyWells wrote:
Most of us have looked very close at the case information for many years. My suggestion is to review those posts that are relevant to your inquiries. I can only write for myself but I'm assuming most of us don't want to rehash the Jonbenet 101 material. And everything on here is speculative so there's not much material suitable for court that hasn't already been there. With that being said I could state with absolute certainty that this is not an IDI case. There is a ton of resources online that will help you come to your own conclusion. But don't think you are for one second going to change anyone's opinion based on whatever you uncover. Most of us have opened every door possible regarding this case and whatever "Ah ha" moments that you may have most of us have already had ten times over. Most of the "Facts" in this case are fabrications that cannot be substantiated nor brought to court. A Grand Jury is not going to convene based on information provided via message board so don't get your hopes up. <quoted text>
I guess you told him....lol...

“Everyone is an expert”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#153 Jul 22, 2014
Not really. When I'm derogatory you won't have to guess.
Undrtheradar wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you told him....lol...

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#154 Jul 22, 2014
JimmyWells wrote:
Most of us have looked very close at the case information for many years. My suggestion is to review those posts that are relevant to your inquiries. I can only write for myself but I'm assuming most of us don't want to rehash the Jonbenet 101 material. And everything on here is speculative so there's not much material suitable for court that hasn't already been there. With that being said I could state with absolute certainty that this is not an IDI case. There is a ton of resources online that will help you come to your own conclusion. But don't think you are for one second going to change anyone's opinion based on whatever you uncover. Most of us have opened every door possible regarding this case and whatever "Ah ha" moments that you may have most of us have already had ten times over. Most of the "Facts" in this case are fabrications that cannot be substantiated nor brought to court. A Grand Jury is not going to convene based on information provided via message board so don't get your hopes up. <quoted text>
I am sure you recognized this poster, but in case you didn't...

The poster called Note is the same poster who comes on every few months posting the same information over and over again. They have been previously banned under MMichigan and also under TEAM JBI, and JBI Investigation. This time they are back flooding the board under multiple hats, such as :

Case File, Note, C S I, Grass, Bike Club, Two, Pain, Ransom Note, DNA, Fast, Ink, and pretending to be part of the investigation. There is a thread down the page a little bit called JonBenet Investigation which includes another thousand or more of these same type posts.

S/he thinks if they set up a web page and a FB account with this same information that all of a sudden people will recognize them as a valid source of information while they pretend to be an integral part of this JBR case. It doesn’t work that way! A spammer is a spammer is a spammer.

“Everyone is an expert”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#155 Jul 22, 2014
Ah thanks for the info. I haven't really been paying attention lately because the case has been kind of quiet since the Kolar book. I got kicked off the WM3 board because the mod is a douche so I checked out my old stomping grounds. That case is so much more intriguing than the Jonbenet case IMO so it blows that I got the boot. That Jonbenetinvestigation page is horseshit, don't waste your time.
Legal__Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure you recognized this poster, but in case you didn't...
The poster called Note is the same poster who comes on every few months posting the same information over and over again. They have been previously banned under MMichigan and also under TEAM JBI, and JBI Investigation. This time they are back flooding the board under multiple hats, such as :
Case File, Note, C S I, Grass, Bike Club, Two, Pain, Ransom Note, DNA, Fast, Ink, and pretending to be part of the investigation. There is a thread down the page a little bit called JonBenet Investigation which includes another thousand or more of these same type posts.
S/he thinks if they set up a web page and a FB account with this same information that all of a sudden people will recognize them as a valid source of information while they pretend to be an integral part of this JBR case. It doesn’t work that way! A spammer is a spammer is a spammer.
Undrtheradar

Miami, FL

#156 Jul 22, 2014
JimmyWells wrote:
Not really. When I'm derogatory you won't have to guess. <quoted text>
Ok then I will try not to get u derragatory
Undrtheradar

Miami, FL

#157 Jul 22, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure you recognized this poster, but in case you didn't...
The poster called Note is the same poster who comes on every few months posting the same information over and over again. They have been previously banned under MMichigan and also under TEAM JBI, and JBI Investigation. This time they are back flooding the board under multiple hats, such as :
Case File, Note, C S I, Grass, Bike Club, Two, Pain, Ransom Note, DNA, Fast, Ink, and pretending to be part of the investigation. There is a thread down the page a little bit called JonBenet Investigation which includes another thousand or more of these same type posts.
S/he thinks if they set up a web page and a FB account with this same information that all of a sudden people will recognize them as a valid source of information while they pretend to be an integral part of this JBR case. It doesn’t work that way! A spammer is a spammer is a spammer.
Im not sure who the poster note,ransom note or whatever they want to call themself is....but I will say I leArned some pretty valuable information from all of the jumbled up case facts...i not sure about this posters past but as far as im concerned he should change his name to EF Hutton.
Note

Flint, MI

#158 Jul 22, 2014
JimmyWells wrote:
Most of us have looked very close at the case information for many years. My suggestion is to review those posts that are relevant to your inquiries. I can only write for myself but I'm assuming most of us don't want to rehash the Jonbenet 101 material. And everything on here is speculative so there's not much material suitable for court that hasn't already been there. With that being said I could state with absolute certainty that this is not an IDI case. There is a ton of resources online that will help you come to your own conclusion. But don't think you are for one second going to change anyone's opinion based on whatever you uncover. Most of us have opened every door possible regarding this case and whatever "Ah ha" moments that you may have most of us have already had ten times over. Most of the "Facts" in this case are fabrications that cannot be substantiated nor brought to court. A Grand Jury is not going to convene based on information provided via message board so don't get your hopes up. <quoted text>
I understand were you are coming from, good luck from us.
Note

Flint, MI

#159 Jul 22, 2014
Undrtheradar wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not sure who the poster note,ransom note or whatever they want to call themself is....but I will say I leArned some pretty valuable information from all of the jumbled up case facts...i not sure about this posters past but as far as im concerned he should change his name to EF Hutton.
Our lab is working on some untested items, this may break this case.
Note

Flint, MI

#160 Jul 22, 2014
JimmyWells wrote:
Ah thanks for the info. I haven't really been paying attention lately because the case has been kind of quiet since the Kolar book. I got kicked off the WM3 board because the mod is a douche so I checked out my old stomping grounds. That case is so much more intriguing than the Jonbenet case IMO so it blows that I got the boot. That Jonbenetinvestigation page is horseshit, don't waste your time. <quoted text>
We are not, This case could break with the work our lab is performing.
Note

Flint, MI

#161 Jul 22, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure you recognized this poster, but in case you didn't...
The poster called Note is the same poster who comes on every few months posting the same information over and over again. They have been previously banned under MMichigan and also under TEAM JBI, and JBI Investigation. This time they are back flooding the board under multiple hats, such as :
Case File, Note, C S I, Grass, Bike Club, Two, Pain, Ransom Note, DNA, Fast, Ink, and pretending to be part of the investigation. There is a thread down the page a little bit called JonBenet Investigation which includes another thousand or more of these same type posts.
S/he thinks if they set up a web page and a FB account with this same information that all of a sudden people will recognize them as a valid source of information while they pretend to be an integral part of this JBR case. It doesn’t work that way! A spammer is a spammer is a spammer.
You have spent some time online.
Keep up the good work.
Note

Flint, MI

#162 Jul 22, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
This case will bother me until the killer is found. I have little faith in a DNA match from the national database. What is unrealistic but might help is getting a DNA sample from all of the Ramsey's workers, business partners, family freinds, and associates. Unrealistic and if money was not a factor.

We are DNA ready to collect for the test, person of interest.
We will be using the DNA profile.
Note

Flint, MI

#163 Jul 22, 2014
Traber wrote:
<quoted text>
Quite interesting observation!
There is 60,000 pages in the Boulder file , and more files in other areas.
Note

Flint, MI

#164 Jul 22, 2014
We are working hard on this, you should see our lab and what we add each week..........

Now, what does Boulder Police say about this case.

Official statement...
Testa said he has no plans to reignite the investigation into Boulder’s most famous cold case, the killing of Jon Benet Ramsey.
“There is no goal or move to take that in front of a grand jury any time soon,” he said.

Now you may see why out side lab is needed.......
Note

Flint, MI

#165 Jul 22, 2014
OK Something new. from the lab.

Don’t be fooled… some elements of society pay attention to TV news and Cop Shows, and thus the criminal element learns new tricks to prevent detection. Wearing gloves and covering up body hair are two of the most often used preventative measures, but according to Rob Knight, a microbial ecologist, bacteria on the hands may soon be replacing latent prints and DNA.

In many crime scenes, the investigator’s goal is to get DNA from blood, semen, saliva, skin tissue and hair.

When when physiological material is found at a crime scene, investigators can use it to examine the DNA of the human who left it behind.“A good DNA sample is considered incredibly accurate evidence, but samples can be damaged, misleading, or improperly handled. In some cases, it's impossible to find DNA at a crime scene at all,” Knight noted.

When people touch different objects within the crime scene, they leave traces of their skin’s unique bacterial colonies. The DNA from these traces have the potential to match the individual depositing them. This match could then serve as confirmation of human DNA evidence or even provide new leads when DNA is absent.

Testing this theory, Knight and his collaborators examined bacteria from three computer keyboards to the living bacterial from the owner’s fingers. The samples were different enough to show which fingers touched which keyboard.

The next test was to check public computer keyboards to see if the three volunteers from the previous experiment could be linked to those. They could not be.

The unique bacterial traces that researchers had swabbed from the keyboards were still there, even after sitting in room temperature for two weeks — suggesting that the sampling technique might be usable in slow-moving forensic investigations, or crime scenes stumbled on after the fact.

According to Knight, in a follow up study we tested the hands and computer mice of nine additional people and let the computer mice sit untouched for more than 12 hours before collecting samples.

In every case, the bacteria on the mouse matched up with the bacteria on its owner's hand, significantly more so than with samples from 270 hands that had never touched the mouse.

Knight Urges That Investigators Proceed With Caution

Knight and his team caution that forensic analysis requires considerable testing, refinement and documentation before it can be regularly used in criminal investigations. So at present, a good DNA sample is still more accurate.

But they said that their results show that analyzing bacteria could provide independent confirmation of other forensic findings like fingerprints or human DNA, and could provide evidence in cases where those don't exist. In the future, a refined version of microbe-based forensics could potentially provide a more "personally identifying" picture of an individual than other commonly accepted techniques.
Note

Flint, MI

#166 Jul 22, 2014
I was trying to understand how the RDIs think about this case.

After Patsy Ramsey read a few lines in the Ransom note, She called 911.

Patsy had on a fresh new outfit that she ware to the Christmas diner the night before. Red and White, very Christmas.

She and the family was to get up early and take there own air plane here to Michigan for a Christmas in Michigan with the whole family. The a family trip on the Big Red Boat.

RED is Red boulder police and the RDIs say. If it red then it is red. FACT we think, we are RDI people.

The black duct tape pulled from JonBenet by her farther at 1:05 pm on the 26th was tested. Fibers were found.

Boulder police look at crime scene photos and seen the Patsy had on a RED and White Christmas outfit on. So RED is RED and it look like a match, we have picture to look at they said.

Now that said, Are you saying the only red fibers came off the close red and white top?
Boulder Police thinks so. Just red no white.

Now a full one year goes by and they may get changes on that so they ask Pasty do you still have the red and white outfit you ware a year ago?
She said, I don't remember, so they went back to the photos to see what they ware that day.

Days later they find this outfit and give it to the police.

Only red fibers when she was wearing a two color top.

It like they over look the white color id it does not math their thinking.

So many time this has happen in this cold case.

We would make that mistake here in this lab Facts are Facts and red and white is red and whit not just red.

I just don't understand the Boulder Police thinking.
Note

Flint, MI

#167 Jul 22, 2014
The question is, what could our lab do that other have not done on the very cold case?

If this lab could do something that could solved this case, what would you used?

Our Fingerprint Development Chamber was developed
exclusively for the UK Home Office Research Group.

The Fingerprint Development Chamber (FDC) is now used by almost every Police Force in the United Kingdom.
The chamber is also used across the globe with customers ranging from the Victoria Police Force, Australia, Special Anti-Crime Unit of Trinidad and Tobago through to the FBI in the USA.

Victory was printed in the Ransom Note.

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#168 Jul 22, 2014
Calm down, Note. You just did posted ten times in a row.

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