Note

Flint, MI

#124 Jul 20, 2014
gotgum wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, a brick was taken into evidence, as were a lot of other objects when the police were looking for anything that could have been used. But the brick was not used. The sharp corners of a brick would have broken the skin.
Very good point,
we call your statement (speculation) This is good when looking for ideas.
But remember, looking for ideas.= speculation. May not turn into case facts.
Only case fact are facts.
Note

Flint, MI

#127 Jul 20, 2014
Our lab, yes here is a link to our facebook page for more information
On facebook type Forensic Science Investigation.
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#129 Jul 20, 2014
Note wrote:
<quoted text>
Profile:
She was killed right after the 911 call was place.
Case information support this statement.
That is sixteen hours after JonBenet was found at 1:05 pm and the corner noted her condition. About 10:00 pm on the 26th.
Time of death 10:00 pm on the 25th to 6:00 am on the 26th is the experts time frame of death using Rigor mortis.
We must use case information here.
Jonbenet's body was stiff when John carried her up the stairs. Her arms were, apparently, fixed above her head. It would seem that that would not have been the case had she been killed just before six that morning.
Note

Flint, MI

#131 Jul 20, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Jonbenet's body was stiff when John carried her up the stairs. Her arms were, apparently, fixed above her head. It would seem that that would not have been the case had she been killed just before six that morning.
This will happen at three hours after death in these conditions.
Note

Flint, MI

#132 Jul 20, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Jonbenet's body was stiff when John carried her up the stairs. Her arms were, apparently, fixed above her head. It would seem that that would not have been the case had she been killed just before six that morning.
Very good point

At the moment of death, the muscles relax completely
A condition called "primary flaccidity."
The muscles then stiffen, perhaps due to coagulation of muscle proteins or a shift in the muscle's energy containers (ATP-ADP), into a condition known as rigor mortis.
All of the body's muscles are affected.

Rigor mortis begins within two to six hours of death,

starting with the eyelids, neck, and jaw. This sequence may be due to the difference in lactic acid levels among different muscles, which corresponds to the difference in glycogen levels and to the different types of muscle fibers.

Over the next four to six hours, SIX HOURS

rigor mortis spreads to the other muscles, including those in the internal organs such as the heart.

The onset of rigor mortis is more rapid if the environment is cold and if the decedent had performed hard physical work just before death. Its onset also varies with the individual's age, sex, physical condition, and muscular build.

This what happen to JonBenet.- more rapid if the environment is cold and if the decedent had performed hard physical work just before death.
Note

Flint, MI

#133 Jul 20, 2014
I went down to lab A and pulled this off the cooler.

Jonbenet was place in a unheated wine cellar with the weather strip door closed. She was there for many hours.

At 1:05 pm she was located and move to the second floor the was a heated floor.

This chart is for 70 d room temperature.
A colder room will speed the times up.

Approximate times for algor and rigor mortis in temperate regions

Body temperature Body stiffness Time since death
warm not stiff dead not more than three hours
warm stiff dead 3 to 8 hours
cold stiff dead 8 to 36 hours
cold not stiff dead more than 36 hours

Under the conditions at the Ramsey's house. JonBenet was dead for Six hours at the time of 1:05 pm.

Cold conditions: Wine cellar floor.
cold stiff dead 6 to 36 hours

Thanks you lab A for the information chart.
Note

Flint, MI

#134 Jul 20, 2014
The killer needed a place in the house to print the ransom note and not be seen. Sun Room.

From there he could monitor the house.

Light Post was disabled

"As the police search the house, other police fanned out to canvass the neighborhood and conduct more interviews. A resident directly to the south reported that the light pole was off in the southeast corner near the sun room of the Ramsey home and thought that was odd because it was the only time she was aware in the past few years that it was not on all night. A neighbor to the north would say that the butler kitchen lights were on around midnight and considered that unusual since it was the first time he had noticed that light being on in the Ramsey home. A third neighbor, to the west, said that her dogs, who would barked at anyone walking through the alleyway, just as they did when the police officer came to question her, made no noise Wednesday night that she could remember."

It took 30 minutes to print the Ransom note.
Note

Flint, MI

#135 Jul 20, 2014
Content Words and Function Words

Content Words

It isn't surprising that content words are usually nouns, verbs, adjectives, and sometimes adverbs. Those are the words that help us form a picture in our head; they give us the contents of our story and tell our listener where to focus his or her attention. We want our listener to be able to quickly grasp the main content of our story, so we make the content words easier to hear by bringing attention to them with added stress. Function Words Function words are the words we use to make our sentences grammatically correct. Pronouns, determiners, and prepositions, and auxiliary verbs are examples of function words. If our function words are missing or used incorrectly, we are probably considered poor speakers of English, but our listener would probably still get the main idea of what we are saying. Since function words don't give us the main information, we don't usually want or need to do anything to give them added attention and the words remain unstressed. In addition, sometimes we do things to deliberately push function words into the background... almost the opposite of stressing. This is called reducing.
Note

Flint, MI

#136 Jul 20, 2014
Printing the Sentences - MUL

Ransom Note

Mean Length of Utterance

The average number of words per sentence is called the "mean length of utterance" (MLU). The MLU equals the total number of words in a statement divided by the number of sentences: Total number of words / Total number of sentences = MLU

Most people tend to speak in sentences of between 10 and 15 words (ACFE Self-Study CPE Course, "Analyzing Written Statements for Deception and Fraud," 2009). When people feel anxious about an issue, they tend to speak in sentences that are either significantly longer or significantly shorter than the norm. Investigators should pay particular attention to sentences whose length differs significantly from the subject's MLU.

The Ransom Note has 347 words and in made up of 28 sentences.

This is known as the killerís MUL pattern. 347/ 28 = 12.39
The killerís MUL is 12.39.
The sentence that has 30 words shows deception.
Note

Flint, MI

#137 Jul 20, 2014
Truthful people make frequent use of the pronoun "I" to describe their actions:

" I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery.

The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them."

This ransom statement contains the pronoun "I" three times in three sentences. Deceptive people often use language that minimizes references to themselves. One way to reduce self- references is to describe events in the passive voice and use the word we.
Note

Flint, MI

#138 Jul 20, 2014
Printing the letters F.B.I.

Acronyms

The killer prints the letters F.B.I. with punctuation or termination marks.
Today we do not print these letters with separate termination marks. This may be a clue to who the killer is by how he wrote the ransom note. Ransom Note Punctuation Showing the ellipsis of letters In English, abbreviations have traditionally been written with a full stop/period/point in place of the deleted part to show the ellipsis of letters, although the colon and apostrophe have also had this role. In the case of most acronyms, each letter is an abbreviation of a separate word and, in theory, should get its own termination mark. Such punctuation is diminishing with the belief that the presence of all-capital letters is sufficient to indicate that the word is an abbreviation. A word formed from the first letters of each one of the words in a phrase. A set of initials representing a name, organization, or the like, with each letter pronounced separately; an initialism
Note

Flint, MI

#139 Jul 20, 2014
Ransom Note - Page One - Dog-Earing

Page One of ransom note -
bottom left Dog-Ear

The Ransom Note was printed on white paper taken from the middle of a note pad of paper located at Ramseyís' home and printed with a old marker found in side a can located in the kitchen. Additional sheets were missing from the note pad and was never located at the crime scene. The marker used to write the Ransom Note was sourced to an out of production marker was found placed in with other pens in a normal place for pens by the kitchen phone. Also, there was another page in the note pad that was written on it "Mr. and Mrs. I," which many experts believe to have been an early "false start" of the Ransom Note.

The crime scene techs inside the house had recovered three Sharpie felt-tip pens from an orange metal container that was on the kitchen counter beneath the telephone from which Patsy called 911 that day, The ransom note came from a note pad on a counter top near by, the U.S. Secret Service had determined that one of those pens, a pre-November 1992 water- based ink Sharpie marker, was used to write both the practice and actual ransom notes. The Secret Service, which maintains a database on inks because of federally mandated assignment to locate forgers. The ink on the ransom notes was unique in the collection of approximately 6,900 ink standards from the Ink Library.

The JBI profile predict that the killer brought the markers to the crime scene because he uses this type of water base safe ink on his art work, leaving the markers there to set up the family. The Sharpie marker was about 5 inches long just like the broken paint stick use in this crime. The killer Dog-Ear the first page of the ransom note to keep track of page one as he moves around the house and completed the note. JBI testing shows it takes about 30 minutes to print the ransom note

“Hey”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#140 Jul 21, 2014
Quite a bit of over analysis here. Her brother critically injured her and her parents unknowingly killed her during the cover up. Thomas was close, Kolar was closer.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#141 Jul 21, 2014
JimmyWells wrote:
Quite a bit of over analysis here. Her brother critically injured her and her parents unknowingly killed her during the cover up. Thomas was close, Kolar was closer.
Quite a bit of spamming as well, LOL.
Traber

Shippensburg, PA

#142 Jul 21, 2014
Note wrote:
Printing the letters F.B.I.
Acronyms
The killer prints the letters F.B.I. with punctuation or termination marks.
Today we do not print these letters with separate termination marks. This may be a clue to who the killer is by how he wrote the ransom note. Ransom Note Punctuation Showing the ellipsis of letters In English, abbreviations have traditionally been written with a full stop/period/point in place of the deleted part to show the ellipsis of letters, although the colon and apostrophe have also had this role. In the case of most acronyms, each letter is an abbreviation of a separate word and, in theory, should get its own termination mark. Such punctuation is diminishing with the belief that the presence of all-capital letters is sufficient to indicate that the word is an abbreviation. A word formed from the first letters of each one of the words in a phrase. A set of initials representing a name, organization, or the like, with each letter pronounced separately; an initialism
Quite interesting observation!
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#143 Jul 21, 2014
So, actually, the person writing this note was old school and formal. I would agree with that. Obviously, "and hence" is not a phrase many would use. Both would seem to point to Patsy as the author, in my opinion.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#144 Jul 21, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
So, actually, the person writing this note was old school and formal. I would agree with that. Obviously, "and hence" is not a phrase many would use. Both would seem to point to Patsy as the author, in my opinion.
John and Patsy seem to both use it a lot though, Hmmm.

“Hey”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#145 Jul 21, 2014
Note

Flint, MI

#147 Jul 21, 2014
With two years on this. The Ramsey family did not do this.
We have look very close at the case information.
If you have good facts about one or more family member killing JonBenet, post it here.
Real case facts that you can take to court.
Many people take and then walk at this point.

Post your real case facts here.

Lets see what you have.

“Hey”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#148 Jul 22, 2014
Most of us have looked very close at the case information for many years. My suggestion is to review those posts that are relevant to your inquiries. I can only write for myself but I'm assuming most of us don't want to rehash the Jonbenet 101 material. And everything on here is speculative so there's not much material suitable for court that hasn't already been there. With that being said I could state with absolute certainty that this is not an IDI case. There is a ton of resources online that will help you come to your own conclusion. But don't think you are for one second going to change anyone's opinion based on whatever you uncover. Most of us have opened every door possible regarding this case and whatever "Ah ha" moments that you may have most of us have already had ten times over. Most of the "Facts" in this case are fabrications that cannot be substantiated nor brought to court. A Grand Jury is not going to convene based on information provided via message board so don't get your hopes up.
Note wrote:
With two years on this. The Ramsey family did not do this.
We have look very close at the case information.
If you have good facts about one or more family member killing JonBenet, post it here.
Real case facts that you can take to court.
Many people take and then walk at this point.
Post your real case facts here.
Lets see what you have.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

JonBenet Ramsey Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Suspect # 1- Rod Westmoreland did it or he was ... (Mar '10) 16 hr Undrtheradar 124
Why do so many RDI's think Burke did it (Sep '10) 17 hr Rangette 692
Burke Ramsey REFUSED to be interviewed by inves... (Sep '10) 17 hr Rangette 653
Chief James Kolar on the JonBenet Ramsey case, ... (Aug '13) 18 hr Rangette 282
"Mr Ramsey Listen Carefully!" New book released... 18 hr Rangette 18
Madelyn McCann (Aug '07) 18 hr Rangette 1,064
Phone Records 19 hr Rangette 10
•••

JonBenet Ramsey People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••