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Fiona

Teignmouth, UK

#1 Jul 14, 2014
Does anyone else find it odd that the ransom note was not folded up, and that the sheets of paper were laid out flat? It makes sense that if an intruder came in then their note would not only have been written in advance,(therefore NOT on Patsy's pad!) but also the idea of the intruder holding out the notes and them staying flat & not folded up seems somehow odd to me. It makes it seem staged, rather than IDI.

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#2 Jul 15, 2014
The most well thought out intruder theories propose the intruder came into the house while the Ramseys were out delivering gifts and attending the Christmas party, cased the house out and then wrote the note.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#3 Jul 15, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
The most well thought out intruder theories propose the intruder came into the house while the Ramseys were out delivering gifts and attending the Christmas party, cased the house out and then wrote the note.
And then was stupid enough to leave the note and the body? Shows you how well thought out it was, LOL!
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#4 Jul 15, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
The most well thought out intruder theories propose the intruder came into the house while the Ramseys were out delivering gifts and attending the Christmas party, cased the house out and then wrote the note.
What exactly was the intruder's intent? To molest and murder the child, or to kidnap the child? I wish the IDIs would choose one.

The ransom note could possibly have been a brilliant strategy employed by one of the Ramseys to forestall a murder investigation. In my opinion, that is the ONLY scenario in which the ransom note fits. The ransom note allowed them to call in a kidnapping to 911 instead of a murder. Investigators would have immediately targeted the family as suspects and would have launched into their investigation in quite a different manner had the 911 call been to report the death of their daughter. They certainly would have put up crime scene tape immediately and not allowed friends to come over and traipse through the home including the basement.

I always suspected Patsy of writing the ransom note to cover for her son, Burke, but John was, apparently, a brilliant businessman. Most businessmen think strategically.
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#5 Jul 15, 2014
I would like an opinion as to why you feel John's participation in the cover up or diversion of the crime scene is not viable. That, in fact, I am clueless and/or nuts--one would have sufficed. Lol.
Note

Flint, MI

#6 Jul 15, 2014
The note is real.
They called 911 and the killer did as he printed.
Left the basement, out the butler door , dome the side yard to the back alley.

The brown paper bag was to keep the money in his back pack as he left Boulder.

The note took 20 to 30 minutes to print, he let the water base , out of production marker in a orange can in the kitchen because he know how the police will work, as stated in the note.

He dog leg the bottom left corner of page one as he moved around the house that night. Page three, he use a second marker and the thickness of the ink is 50% wider.

He paint with green paint and left a green strip on JonBenet chin. It match the tub of paint in the paint tote next to where JB was tied up.

Yes it was a IDI that did this.

The note paper was from page 27 28 29 from the note pad, very flat pages.

The killer is right handed.

A bike track was found in the snow on 15 street.
Fiona

Teignmouth, UK

#7 Jul 15, 2014
Note-So are you saying you believe the perpetrator sat inside the house, and spied/waited to see if the Ramsey's phoned the police? It just seems odd. Most perps you'd imagine would head off as soon as possible with the hostage & play off for money.. Not sit inside the family home with massive risk of being seen/heard or witnessed fleeing the property...

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#8 Jul 15, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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And then was stupid enough to leave the note and the body? Shows you how well thought out it was, LOL!
It would make sense to leave the note on the way to the basement on the stairs, when he already had taken JonBenet from her room. At that point he probably still intended to kidnap her. Something happened in the basement to cause a change to that plan, he got scared? she woke up and started resisting? I don't know.
Just Wondering wrote:
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What exactly was the intruder's intent? To molest and murder the child, or to kidnap the child? I wish the IDIs would choose one.
They don't have to chose one as an absolute theory. Both are possibilities. If it was to molest/murder then the RN was a distraction tool. If it was to kidnap JBR then the RN was written with the killer's original intentions.

Keep in find JBR had fingernail marks over the ligature around her neck. I believe she was starting to resist and the killer decided to end it.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#9 Jul 15, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
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It would make sense to leave the note on the way to the basement on the stairs, when he already had taken JonBenet from her room. At that point he probably still intended to kidnap her. Something happened in the basement to cause a change to that plan, he got scared? she woke up and started resisting? I don't know.
It makes absolutely no sense, common or otherwise, to stop and leave a note in the middle of transporting a child from a bedroom to the basement. There was no intruder!
biz

Port Richey, FL

#10 Jul 15, 2014
It makes no sense for intelligent parents to write a bizarre three page ransom note to cover up an accident or crime.

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#11 Jul 15, 2014
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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It makes absolutely no sense, common or otherwise, to stop and leave a note in the middle of transporting a child from a bedroom to the basement. There was no intruder!
Why would it not make sense? Elaborate. If all he planned to do was take her out and exit with her from where ever he wanted, it would be a short two second stop.
I don't want to debate this in a hostile manner, I have no problem doing it in a logical one.40
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#12 Jul 15, 2014
Detective Xyitech wrote:
<quoted text>
It would make sense to leave the note on the way to the basement on the stairs, when he already had taken JonBenet from her room. At that point he probably still intended to kidnap her. Something happened in the basement to cause a change to that plan, he got scared? she woke up and started resisting? I don't know.
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They don't have to chose one as an absolute theory. Both are possibilities. If it was to molest/murder then the RN was a distraction tool. If it was to kidnap JBR then the RN was written with the killer's original intentions.
Keep in find JBR had fingernail marks over the ligature around her neck. I believe she was starting to resist and the killer decided to end it.
Please explain to me why a distraction tool was necessary for the intruder? It would in no way play to his benefit. In fact, the more DNA left at the scene, the greater the chance of his being arrested.

But the ransom note could very well be a very valuable tool for the Ramseys. As stated, it allowed them to call in a kidnapping instead of a murder to the police. Knowing that the protocol for handing a murder investigation would have been quite different than a kidnapping situation. Unfortunately. It bought them time, allowed them to call in friends to muddy the crime scene, and they felt it would deflect guilt from themselves. But it hasn't. To the contrary. But, unfortunately, it did serve them well with their first two objectives.

Since: Jul 14

Dallas, Texas

#13 Jul 15, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Please explain to me why a distraction tool was necessary for the intruder? It would in no way play to his benefit. In fact, the more DNA left at the scene, the greater the chance of his being arrested.
But the ransom note could very well be a very valuable tool for the Ramseys. As stated, it allowed them to call in a kidnapping instead of a murder to the police. Knowing that the protocol for handing a murder investigation would have been quite different than a kidnapping situation. Unfortunately. It bought them time, allowed them to call in friends to muddy the crime scene, and they felt it would deflect guilt from themselves. But it hasn't. To the contrary. But, unfortunately, it did serve them well with their first two objectives.
It could play to his benefit in delaying the body being found or throw detectives off by writing false information.

Patsy sounds too genuine in the 911 call for this to be staged. The Ramsey family had a very comfortable life with privileges and wealth, they would not risk it by killing their daughter.
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#14 Jul 15, 2014
Really? By the way, what do the wealthy do when they want to molest or abuse their children but they value their wealth and privilege more than their perverted pleasures? I should think being sentenced to death, whether rich or poor, would be more of a deterrent to murdering a child than fear of losing one's social status and wealth--IF ONE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT ONE'S CHILDREN WERE OF FAR MORE VALUE THAN A COMFORTABLE LIFESTYLE.
Quite frankly, I would be more inclined to believe that one or both of the parents were covering for their son, Burke.
Not being a kidnapper/pedophile/murderer intruder, I have to contemplate here which would be more advantageous to me: leaving behind an unnecessary HANDWRITTEN ransom note that may or may not contain my DNA or using that note to secure myself a little extra time to do ...what? Get out of town? Settle back into my home and look as if nothing had happened in case my neighbors were on to me? Go out to the bar and get soused? I imagine it would take the police quite a while to collect all the evidence and begin looking for me. What would four hours matter in that situation? Had the note been followed, the Ramseys would have contacted no one until after ten o'clock. Then it would be obvious that they were not looking at a kidnapping. So in exchange for the maximum of four hours, he risked leaving his signature for the police.
However, to the Ramseys it meant the ability to put off questioning by the police for the murder of their child indefinitely. They would have been treated quite differently had the 911 call been for the death and not the kidnapping. You must admit that.
And I found it odd that Patsy could not bring herself to say "My child has been kidnapped." No, it was more like "we have a kidnapping" and "we have a note". Never," help me, please, my child has been kidnapped." If I knew that my child was lying dead in the basement, I am sure I would sound distraught as well during the 911 call. But, in my opinion, Patsy's Christian upbringing would not allow her to flat out lie and state that her child had been kidnapped. That would have been a disingenuous statement and it would have definitely sounded faked and forced.
Just Wondering

Oak Hill, WV

#15 Jul 15, 2014
One more thought, the note was written on Patsy's pad and they were full sheets of paper. Is that correct?

After writing those notes, he did not fold them so he could tuck them in a pocket for safe keeping. No, he kept them unfolded and carried them around with him. Where did he lay them while he collected Jonbenet from her bedroom? While he struggled to carry her downstairs? How much DNA should have been transferred to those pages just from contact with his clothing fibers. Surely at one point or the other he has had to tuck them in close to the body.

In addition, he couldn't chance placing the notes on the stairs until he was finished in the basement. Anyone in the family could have been alerted to the situation had the notes been placed on the stairs anytime other than just prior to his exiting the home. So that means he would have had to come back up from the basement before leaving the home. With either choice of actions, he was quite the daring fella.
Rupert

Waterford, Canada

#16 Jul 15, 2014
Yeah, why the long note with Dirty Harry references. It is one thing for sure - a communication tool. The Dirty Harry movie had "Kill the Pigs". So did the Tate LaBianca murders, after which Manson and crew fled to the hills just east of Trona.

What was the author trying to communicate? That is a mystery. They were trying to challenge John with "It is up to you now John!" What does S.B.T.C have to do with Victory? Usually period separators are included to distinguish emphatic names or commands, eg, "Stop Bombing Thirdworld Countries". Yeah, but why would a cute innocent little girl be brutally sacrificed for that. That doesn't make sense to me. IMO, JonBenet was brutally garroted and smashed over the head because the perp had a sadistic streak towards little girls and maybe wanted to do something witchy.
Rupe
Ransom Note

Flint, MI

#18 Jul 15, 2014
Fiona wrote:
Note-So are you saying you believe the perpetrator sat inside the house, and spied/waited to see if the Ramsey's phoned the police? It just seems odd. Most perps you'd imagine would head off as soon as possible with the hostage & play off for money.. Not sit inside the family home with massive risk of being seen/heard or witnessed fleeing the property...
Profile

He travel on foot bike bus so taking JB was never part he crime. Stay in the basement is a good plan when the note sais she was taken from the home.

He is on foot, he has no place to take any one. He was not from there so he could print the note with out any fear of his writing being reckenize.

The plan went wrong when the police was called and e did as printed. Killer JB. and left mad.
Ransom Note

Flint, MI

#19 Jul 15, 2014
The ransom note was so long because he had one chance to make it work if they did not call police. He used She will die many time because the plan need the family to weight for instruction and put the money in a brown paper bag. JB was in the basement with him. He could monitor the house from one room by the back stairs. Window open you call monitor the house.

Three pages ransom note took 30 minutes to print before the crime.
The killer has MS it was just starting and he would have to take two weeks off work after the crime, Cause Heat and stress. Starts MS in most people at age 30. male.

Zoom the note 300% and you will see the lines of MS printing.

This case may be solved soon.

No thanks to Boulder Police,
Ransom Note

Flint, MI

#20 Jul 15, 2014
Profile:

The killer has a rock climbing background,
Up high, hanging on ropes thousand of feet from the ground is fearless.
Using cords, special knot tying, Hi-Tec boots, finger wool gloves are tool of the trade.

He a painter, sketchbook, sharpie marker person, so note pad are every day uses.

The killer broke the paint stick at two ends leaving the 5 inch middle stick the same size as the sharpie marker he is use to in his hands.
Person of habbit.

Printing the note with his water base marker and leaving it in the orange can in the kitchen un the phone will frame the family as he said he know how police work. The marker was out of production for many years, water base ink is safe for art work as he does.

Yes JB had green paint on her chin and it matches the tube in the paint tote.

The carabiner mark on the cellar floor was use in the crime and is the killer key change. He has a pulley connecter to it as well used with cords.

Yes it was a IDI.

Case facts.
Ransom Note

Flint, MI

#21 Jul 16, 2014
Just Wondering wrote:
One more thought, the note was written on Patsy's pad and they were full sheets of paper. Is that correct?
After writing those notes, he did not fold them so he could tuck them in a pocket for safe keeping. No, he kept them unfolded and carried them around with him. Where did he lay them while he collected Jonbenet from her bedroom? While he struggled to carry her downstairs? How much DNA should have been transferred to those pages just from contact with his clothing fibers. Surely at one point or the other he has had to tuck them in close to the body.
In addition, he couldn't chance placing the notes on the stairs until he was finished in the basement. Anyone in the family could have been alerted to the situation had the notes been placed on the stairs anytime other than just prior to his exiting the home. So that means he would have had to come back up from the basement before leaving the home. With either choice of actions, he was quite the daring fella.
Not true
As soon as the note was place, the crime was on. He has JB in the basement and the note said she was removed from the house and weight for the call don't call police. grow a brain, the house is monitor so do nothing. like look around in the basement.

Note place as soon as he took JB.

If they found note late night they would weight for the call 8 to 10am and do not call police. banks will not be open so weight was the plan.

Very easy crime when on foot. JB was never to be taken from home.

Simple crime gone wrong.

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