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Ramsey case haunts DA's aide who ran the grand jury

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candy

East Lansing, MI

#1 Jan 27, 2013
Another indispensable article by the great Charlie Brennan from 2001, about Michael Kane, who ran the Ramesy grand jury:

http://therocky.com/news/2001/dec/18/case-hau...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#2 Oct 18, 2013
One of the men of the hour that no one is talking about is Mike Kane, who HISTORY is going to remember forever, who got a grand jury indictment against both John and Patsy Ramsey for child abuse leading to death. Read between the lines, and you wonder what evidence he DIDN'T have, that was missed by Mr. Plea Bargain Alex Hunter, hemming and hawing, and fiddling while Rome burned, ANYTHING but to impanel a grand jury, wasting precious months and YEARS. Mike Kane has never gotten the credit he deserved in this case. I still remember how MAD he was when Lin Wood was telling him to open the grand jury records, HE couldn't say what he knew. It was thanks to Governor Roy Romer in the aftermath of Steve Thomas's resignation and letter, taking the bull by the horns, and TELLING ALEX this is what is going to happen, and it did.

"I think the major problem with this case was the hard-core evidence gathering," Kane said.

He believes a grand jury should have been impaneled promptly - not necessarily to secure a rapid indictment, but in order to use a grand jury's broad powers to subpoena witnesses and, equally important, personal records.

"I had this argument with them until the day (former Boulder prosecutors) Pete Hofstrom and Trip DeMuth were off the case" in August 1998, Kane said.

"That's what a grand jury is for, because a grand jury can order someone to produce documents. It's up to the DA's office to say,'There's an awful lot of things we need to know about, and the only way we're going to know about it is by getting these records.'

"Instead, it was almost two years later when we started issuing subpoenas for information, and the trail sometimes grows cold. A lot of businesses don't keep records that long," Kane said."

http://therocky.com/news/2001/dec/18/case-hau...

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

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#3 Oct 19, 2013
candy wrote:
One of the men of the hour that no one is talking about is Mike Kane, who HISTORY is going to remember forever, who got a grand jury indictment against both John and Patsy Ramsey for child abuse leading to death. Read between the lines, and you wonder what evidence he DIDN'T have, that was missed by Mr. Plea Bargain Alex Hunter, hemming and hawing, and fiddling while Rome burned, ANYTHING but to impanel a grand jury, wasting precious months and YEARS. Mike Kane has never gotten the credit he deserved in this case. I still remember how MAD he was when Lin Wood was telling him to open the grand jury records, HE couldn't say what he knew. It was thanks to Governor Roy Romer in the aftermath of Steve Thomas's resignation and letter, taking the bull by the horns, and TELLING ALEX this is what is going to happen, and it did.
"I think the major problem with this case was the hard-core evidence gathering," Kane said.
He believes a grand jury should have been impaneled promptly - not necessarily to secure a rapid indictment, but in order to use a grand jury's broad powers to subpoena witnesses and, equally important, personal records.
"I had this argument with them until the day (former Boulder prosecutors) Pete Hofstrom and Trip DeMuth were off the case" in August 1998, Kane said.
"That's what a grand jury is for, because a grand jury can order someone to produce documents. It's up to the DA's office to say,'There's an awful lot of things we need to know about, and the only way we're going to know about it is by getting these records.'
"Instead, it was almost two years later when we started issuing subpoenas for information, and the trail sometimes grows cold. A lot of businesses don't keep records that long," Kane said."
http://therocky.com/news/2001/dec/18/case-hau...
Kane was spot on in his assessments and comments here. The GJ can be a powerful force when it comes to obtaining evidence, it is what they were designed to do, and we should use them for that whenever possible.

Had one been convened almost immediately, the case might have had a much different outcome.
Deb

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Oct 20, 2013
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Kane was spot on in his assessments and comments here. The GJ can be a powerful force when it comes to obtaining evidence, it is what they were designed to do, and we should use them for that whenever possible.
Had one been convened almost immediately, the case might have had a much different outcome.
How exactly would anything have come out differently? What evidence did they not obtain? Unless there is evidence that has not been released, there was no way for the DA to present a case beyond reasonable doubt.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

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#5 Oct 21, 2013
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Kane was spot on in his assessments and comments here. The GJ can be a powerful force when it comes to obtaining evidence, it is what they were designed to do, and we should use them for that whenever possible.
Had one been convened almost immediately, the case might have had a much different outcome.
I totally agree here. Had the GJ been convened in a more timely fashion, you bet there would be more questioning about the phone records, etc. and John and Patsy, Burke and a few others would have testified and the inconsistencies would have been way more obvious, like they have been to us.

There is so much more that the DA could have and should have done that it is just a disgrace that Boulder will likely never live down. It seems Garnett isn't interested in this either which is a big disappointment

Boulder just keeps voting in the spineless
Heloise

UK

#6 Oct 21, 2013
Did AH ever explain why he was so opposed to a GJ? If he was presuming the Ramseys to be innocent, he had to know that getting phone records and medical records early might exonerate them or help trace a perp.

Could it be that he didn't want to find the evidence to prosecute this case? Even ignoring questions of his connections with Team Ramsey, he had to be aware that his prosecution record was less-than stellar and that the public appetite for justice would mandate the toughest possible sentence. How could he equitably justify a harsher penalty in the JBR case than in any other without Team Ramsey/Other Perp calling foul. It's hard not to imagine that these things crossed his mind.

Since: Jul 10

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#7 Oct 21, 2013
Alex Hunter should personally have to repay the costs of the Grand Jury to Colorado for his part in the cover-up and hoax. Consider it a fine.

Any remaining costs incurred by the state for the unneccasssry investigation need to be the responsibility of John Ramsey.

Kane deserves a bonus too.

I see no other was to settle the score.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#8 Oct 21, 2013
At last we will get to see the evidence that the DA was able to offer the jurors. And, yes, had they empaneled a grand jury earlier, they could have gotten more testimonies and more private records that could have determined the guilt or innocence of the Ramseys.

The BPD requested many records that they could not get without a grand jury's indictment. And they requested the DA to seek an indictment multiple times. The BPD did all they could with the authority they possessed. Why did the DA do everything he could, it seems, to tie their hands?

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#9 Oct 21, 2013
"At last we will get to see the evidence that the DA was able to offer the jurors."
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Oh really? I'm not sure "evidence" is part of what will be released.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#10 Oct 21, 2013
BrotherMoon wrote:
"At last we will get to see the evidence that the DA was able to offer the jurors."
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Oh really? I'm not sure "evidence" is part of what will be released.
Okay, Brother Moon. Testimony might have been the proper wording. Thanks for taking me to task. I am assuming that was your point--then again, you may have lost me completely with that snide comment.

Btw, I did read, "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie". I liked the author's writing style. And I can say, that I did, for the most part, enjoy the novel. I understand that Sandy Stranger betrayed Miss Brodie through vindictiveness, but I do not see any correlation to the Ramsey case. Other than the pineapple cubes in cream and the comment that "silence is golden". Why do think Patsy would have fixated on the character of Sandy? Please enlighten. If not on this post, then on the Why Did Jonbenet Eat the Pineapple forum. Thanks.

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#11 Oct 21, 2013
I was not trying to be snide, I too would like to see new evidence and I was wondering if evidence would be in the papers released. I e-mailed that question to Brennan. Whatever is the content of what can be released will be interesting. We can only hope it is substantial.
Jean Brodie was a pathological narcissist. So too, I say, was Nedra Paugh. Thus the unconscious and or conscious identification between Patsy and Sandy.
Deb

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Oct 21, 2013
http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/...

It appears that the indictment needed to be specific and detailed regarding evidence leading to the indictment
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#13 Oct 21, 2013
BrotherMoon wrote:
I was not trying to be snide, I too would like to see new evidence and I was wondering if evidence would be in the papers released. I e-mailed that question to Brennan. Whatever is the content of what can be released will be interesting. We can only hope it is substantial.
Jean Brodie was a pathological narcissist. So too, I say, was Nedra Paugh. Thus the unconscious and or conscious identification between Patsy and Sandy.
My apologies.

I am trying to understand your logic--it makes for an interesting theory and discussion. But the public has not been made aware of any signs of a personality disorder in Patsy. Other than seeming to be a little spoiled, affected by her newfound wealth, and, apparently, a little too relaxed with housekeeping duties, she seemed normal. Of course, I guess Ted Bundy did as well. One can never be certain.

Since we agree that it wasn't an intruder, let's keep our fingers crossed that we do get some interesting facts to shore up our opinions. And, perhaps, someday there will be justice for Jonbenet.

Until I am proven wrong, I remain a BDI.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#14 Oct 29, 2013
In the above article: the prosecutor who ran the Grand Jury, Mike Kane said:

"I think the major problem with this case was the hard-core evidence gathering," Kane said.

He believes a grand jury should have been impaneled promptly - not necessarily to secure a rapid indictment, but in order to use a grand jury's broad powers to subpoena witnesses and, equally important, personal records.

"I had this argument with them until the day (former Boulder prosecutors) Pete Hofstrom and Trip DeMuth were off the case" in August 1998, Kane said.

"That's what a grand jury is for, because a grand jury can order someone to produce documents. It's up to the DA's office to say,'There's an awful lot of things we need to know about, and the only way we're going to know about it is by getting these records.'

"Instead, it was almost two years later when we started issuing subpoenas for information, and the trail sometimes grows cold. A lot of businesses don't keep records that long," Kane said."

I finally got to hear some of Tricia's inerview with Chief James Kolar on Blog radio. The most stunning revelation by Chief Kolar is that there were NO, repeat, NO PHONE RECORDS AT ALL for the grand jury to see in this case. NONE! Steve Thomas strongly intimated this in his book, but several Team Scamsey posters said the Scams "gave" the DA's office phone records. WE KNOW TRIP DEMUTH REFUSED TO SIGN SEARCH WARRANTS TO OBTAIN PHONE RECORDS. How corrupt can Hunter and company be? It appears that phone records were among the records NOT be able to obtained and viewed by the grand jury. As most people know, Peter Boyles staqted in 1998 that there was a 4:00 a.m. phone cal from John Ramsey to Mike Bynum on 12/26/13. WHERE DID THAT INFO COME FROM? It appears the Rapps illegal phone records are the only records that are available. Unlike Kolar, I can't imagine any police force using the Rapps illegally obtained phone records as evidence. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A CRIMINAL CASE WITHOUT PHONE RECORDS. They are crucial evidence, and thanks to Hunter's stalling for a grand jury for YEARS, and Trip DeMuth, who went to work for John Ramsey's lawyer , Mike Bynum, after he left the DA's office, this CRUCIAL evidence is GONE WITH THE WIND from this case. That the grand jury was able to indict on anything is a MIRACLE.
Steve Eller

United States

#15 Oct 29, 2013
candy wrote:
In the above article: the prosecutor who ran the Grand Jury, Mike Kane said:
"I think the major problem with this case was the hard-core evidence gathering," Kane said.
He believes a grand jury should have been impaneled promptly - not necessarily to secure a rapid indictment, but in order to use a grand jury's broad powers to subpoena witnesses and, equally important, personal records.
"I had this argument with them until the day (former Boulder prosecutors) Pete Hofstrom and Trip DeMuth were off the case" in August 1998, Kane said.
"That's what a grand jury is for, because a grand jury can order someone to produce documents. It's up to the DA's office to say,'There's an awful lot of things we need to know about, and the only way we're going to know about it is by getting these records.'
"Instead, it was almost two years later when we started issuing subpoenas for information, and the trail sometimes grows cold. A lot of businesses don't keep records that long," Kane said."
I finally got to hear some of Tricia's inerview with Chief James Kolar on Blog radio. The most stunning revelation by Chief Kolar is that there were NO, repeat, NO PHONE RECORDS AT ALL for the grand jury to see in this case. NONE! Steve Thomas strongly intimated this in his book, but several Team Scamsey posters said the Scams "gave" the DA's office phone records. WE KNOW TRIP DEMUTH REFUSED TO SIGN SEARCH WARRANTS TO OBTAIN PHONE RECORDS. How corrupt can Hunter and company be? It appears that phone records were among the records NOT be able to obtained and viewed by the grand jury. As most people know, Peter Boyles staqted in 1998 that there was a 4:00 a.m. phone cal from John Ramsey to Mike Bynum on 12/26/13. WHERE DID THAT INFO COME FROM? It appears the Rapps illegal phone records are the only records that are available. Unlike Kolar, I can't imagine any police force using the Rapps illegally obtained phone records as evidence. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A CRIMINAL CASE WITHOUT PHONE RECORDS. They are crucial evidence, and thanks to Hunter's stalling for a grand jury for YEARS, and Trip DeMuth, who went to work for John Ramsey's lawyer , Mike Bynum, after he left the DA's office, this CRUCIAL evidence is GONE WITH THE WIND from this case. That the grand jury was able to indict on anything is a MIRACLE.
Good points Candy! Refusing to subpoena the phone records ennervates any claims that Hunter was merely incompetent and afraid of losing. Obtaining phone records would have been common procedure anywhere else in the industrialized world...what if the "kidnappers" had called while the Ramseys were "sleeping"? More important than the logs for the land lines, I would love to see the mobile phone records for both of the Ramseys. And while I might be surprised to find a predawn phone call directly from the Ramseys to Alex Hunter, I would not be surprised if there was a direct predawn conversation between Hunter and Bynum or Haddon that night.

Since: Jul 10

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#16 Oct 29, 2013
Kane was really just a patsy for Hunter. Hunter couldn't run the grand jury himself without committing perjury. It's not like he had a full plate of trials keeping him busy. Id like to know more about the specifics of hiring Kane. Not at all that he wasnt qualified or anything, just something is hinky.

"Kane moved back to his native Pennsylvania and spent the time since November 1999 in private practice doing primarily civil litigation.

He returned Dec. 10 to the Pennsylvania State Department of Revenue, as deputy director for taxation. He had been working at that Pennsylvania state agency when Hunter picked him to pilot the Ramsey grand jury."

As 'deputy director' he must have some leadership skills but why the heck did Hunter hire a tax lawyer from PA for this job???

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#17 Oct 29, 2013
... not really perjure himself but Hunter wouldn't have been able to do the job as a prosecutor functionally because he knew the truth.

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#18 Oct 29, 2013
candy wrote:
One of the men of the hour that no one is talking about is Mike Kane, who HISTORY is going to remember forever, who got a grand jury indictment against both John and Patsy Ramsey for child abuse leading to death.
Which the evidence does not suppost.

Whatever Hunter's thinking was it can be said his refusal to prosecute was backed up by the lack of evidence supporting the indictment.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#20 Oct 30, 2013
BrotherMoon wrote:
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Whatever Hunter's thinking was it can be said his refusal to prosecute was backed up by the lack of evidence supporting the indictment.
Hunter was ill qualified and too lazy among other things to prosecute this case. Even if the fix hadn't been in, he wouldn't have prosecuted it, and his previous 10-year record as a DA is all anyone need look at to back up that statement. It had nothing to do with the abundance or lack of supporting evidence.

BrotherMoon

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#21 Oct 30, 2013
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Hunter was ill qualified and too lazy among other things to prosecute this case. Even if the fix hadn't been in, he wouldn't have prosecuted it, and his previous 10-year record as a DA is all anyone need look at to back up that statement. It had nothing to do with the abundance or lack of supporting evidence.
Whatever Hunter's thinking was it can be said his refusal to prosecute was backed up by the lack of evidence supporting the indictment.

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