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#1 Jun 12, 2014
I noticed recently that in '98 John Ramsey was evasive when he was asked about a book on his nightstand,_When Good-bye is Forever_. He says that he probably never read it, that he probably wasn't reading it at the time of the murder and that he hated the title because he didn't want it to be forever, Patsy might have bought it, Patsy probably didn't buy it, someone gave it to him. He's all over the place about this book.

I read the book recently. It's written by a Navy man and an engineer who was diagnosed with cancer three weeks before his 2yo son was killed by a garbage truck. Formerly irreligious, the man developed deep Christian beliefs. Rather than good-bye being forever, he feels that his dead son visited him and his wife in the form of small birds behaving oddly.

It's interesting, honest and sincere (in sharp contrast to Ramsey's two books). Ramsey would have an affinity for the author; they have a lot in common. I think he did read it. I don't know why he said he didn't.
real Topaz

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#2 Jun 12, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
I noticed recently that in '98 John Ramsey was evasive when he was asked about a book on his nightstand,_When Good-bye is Forever_. He says that he probably never read it, that he probably wasn't reading it at the time of the murder and that he hated the title because he didn't want it to be forever, Patsy might have bought it, Patsy probably didn't buy it, someone gave it to him. He's all over the place about this book.
I read the book recently. It's written by a Navy man and an engineer who was diagnosed with cancer three weeks before his 2yo son was killed by a garbage truck. Formerly irreligious, the man developed deep Christian beliefs. Rather than good-bye being forever, he feels that his dead son visited him and his wife in the form of small birds behaving oddly.
It's interesting, honest and sincere (in sharp contrast to Ramsey's two books). Ramsey would have an affinity for the author; they have a lot in common. I think he did read it. I don't know why he said he didn't.
same reason he denied ever seeing the bowl the pineapple was in..even tho Patsy said it was part of their every day dishes. Distancing--deny, deny, deny.
Heloise

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#3 Jun 16, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
I noticed recently that in '98 John Ramsey was evasive when he was asked about a book on his nightstand,_When Good-bye is Forever_. He says that he probably never read it, that he probably wasn't reading it at the time of the murder and that he hated the title because he didn't want it to be forever, Patsy might have bought it, Patsy probably didn't buy it, someone gave it to him. He's all over the place about this book.
I read the book recently. It's written by a Navy man and an engineer who was diagnosed with cancer three weeks before his 2yo son was killed by a garbage truck. Formerly irreligious, the man developed deep Christian beliefs. Rather than good-bye being forever, he feels that his dead son visited him and his wife in the form of small birds behaving oddly.
It's interesting, honest and sincere (in sharp contrast to Ramsey's two books). Ramsey would have an affinity for the author; they have a lot in common. I think he did read it. I don't know why he said he didn't.
I may be imagining this, but I am pretty sure that John has reported something similar about a bird at Patsy's grave.
Heloise

UK

#4 Jun 16, 2014
real Topaz wrote:
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same reason he denied ever seeing the bowl the pineapple was in..even tho Patsy said it was part of their every day dishes. Distancing--deny, deny, deny.
I think that's right RT. John would really have to be detached from family life is he was as unaware of aspects of his home and family as he claims.
real Topaz

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#5 Jun 16, 2014
Heloise wrote:
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I think that's right RT. John would really have to be detached from family life is he was as unaware of aspects of his home and family as he claims.
Hi Heloise:D Yeah, but notice how aware he was of the neighbors? He knew everyone's story! And of course his extensive memory of what Patsy packed for JBR to wear, ie yellow bathing suit. He couldn't get his story straight about the actual toy he and Burke played with before bed,.. was it a robot, parking garage, model?.or whether he read to JonBenet or just to himsel that night. All that distancing yet he 'knew' the suitcase in that mess of a basement 'didn't belong' there. Knew exactly where Patsy kept the pad of paper the rn was written on, went right to the drawer, and no others. So, it looks like he was selectively familiar with his house and hyper aware of a certain family member's wardrobe...

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#6 Jun 17, 2014
Heloise wrote:
I may be imagining this, but I am pretty sure that John has reported something similar about a bird at Patsy's grave.

You're right.

From TOSOS:

"I stood by Patsy's headstone with a heavy heart, when a lone sparrow emerged from the woods and flew right up to me. It flapped its wings and hovered inches from my chest for what seemed like minutes. I didn't do anything to brush it away; I just stood there. Was it trying to tell me something there in the silence of the cemetery? I thought, wouldn't it be just like the Lord to send a little sparrow to assure me He's taking good care of my girls?"

This is a conflation of two scenes from _When Good-bye is Forever_. In the first one, a small bird (which I think he calls a sparrow) hovers at a window beyond which the bereaved father and two ministers are sitting. In the other scene a sparrow repeatedly flies between the father and mother at chest height as they are locked in argument on their front porch.

I can't search WGiF and I can't find the passages right now. If I do, I'll post them here.

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#7 Jun 18, 2014
From _When Good-bye is Forever_:

"Turning quickly I saw a small bird hovering against the glass. It had not collided with the window but instead was simply fluttering in midair wings sweeping softly against the windowpane. We were all taken aback by the unusual timing of the bird's appearance. The ministers discussed the apparent connection between the comment I had just made about the little bird that Christopher loved and the simultaneous arrival of the real bird at our window...."

and:

"As we stood there in silence, we suddenly heard an unusual sound. There was a soft fluttering followed by the appearance of a small sparrow. It flew *between* us at chest level, quickly disappearing into the darkness. We both thought of the bird at our window the day before the funeral....As we turned to go into the garage to pull out the car, Mairi went first and I followed, about two feet behind her. As if to make sure we understood, the sparrow returned and flew between us again--once more at chest height...."

The scene in TOSOS which I believe is a combination of the two scenes above:

"I stood by Patsy's headstone with a heavy heart, when a lone sparrow emerged from the woods and flew right up to me. It flapped its wings and hovered inches from my chest for what seemed like minutes. I didn't do anything to brush it away; I just stood there. Was it trying to tell me something there in the silence of the cemetery? I thought, wouldn't it be just like the Lord to send a little sparrow to assure me He's taking good care of my girls?"

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#8 Jun 23, 2014
As I mentioned, Ramsey distances himself from _When Good-bye is Forever_ even though the book was in/on his nightstand. I think that Ramsey did read the book for many reasons, some of which I mentioned in a previous post. The book is short, practical and comes across as genuine and heartfelt (weird bird behavior notwithstanding). If you've been reading self-help literature about the death of a child, this book is going to be on your list. So I expected to find something incriminating in the book, but didn't: no references to Psalm 34 or 35, no ransom note phrases.

Ramsey is even squirrelly about how he acquired the book. I'm wondering if it might've been given to him by a woman other than Patsy and if this might have been a bone of contention for them.

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