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koldkase

Athens, GA

#182 Jan 26, 2008
Nancy Drew wrote:
River Rat, I know a lot of things you don't know...
The Mason Family came up on this thread so I thought I'd add to the conversation with a little info...for those who care to take a further look...
I know little more than that...oh except that Nancy was one of the many children taken from the ranch during the raid. Poor things were found to have burned soles of their feet from wearing no shoes while running around desert in the hot sand.
Off to Starbucks baby...have fun.
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There it is again: "I KNOW...YOU DON'T...."

SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES SOURCES
koldkase

Athens, GA

#183 Jan 26, 2008
Nancy Drew wrote:
Nancy Krebs named? Hell no...criminal libel is an antiquated law...found unconstitutional in most states! Fleet White was advised by law enforcement to go after Krebs directly...which I fully supported. Instead he went after the media, which is what criminal libel charges are all about. He is a sly one...as he knew three things. 1)Criminal libel would not force him to take the stand...@) He could avoid facing the direct Krebs allegations...this was with the media, not Krebs...in the few cases that have been tried in criminal libel its not a legal fight between direct parties...(White/Krebs) its a fight between media lawyers....White knew that...3) It would allow him the opportunity to GAIN info on what Krebs provided...case files.
Fleet White will do anything to avoid going on the stand! He went to jail for refusing to take the stand. He will do anything to avoid meeting Nancy Krebs in court. Why?
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CRIMINAL LIBEL...not CIVIL LIBEL. Get it? THAT'S PROSECUTOR and DEFENSE ATTORNEY, NOT CIVIL ATTORNIES. It's NOT battling lawyers with absent clients, it's THE PEOPLE V DEFENDANT, with witnesses and evidence. Who says White would not testify, as the VICTIM? Who says Krebs would not be called to testify? Source?

More GOSSIP: You don't know WHAT Fleet White KNEW. Did you ASK him? Did he TELL you? SOURCES PLEASE!!!!!!!!! What law enforcement TOLD WHITE to go after Krebs? I don't believe THAT for one minute. Go after Krebs? For false reporting? If the woman is mentally ill--and everyone but you KREBBIES can see that she is, as THE VOLUMINOUS EVIDENCE WE HAVE AVAILABLE CLEARLY PROVES, how is that going to stick? She's at LEAST going to make REASONABLE DOUBT on her HISTORY alone. If you have PROOF that the DA was willing to try to make THAT CASE, I'd LOVE to see it! Otherwise, you're back out in left field GOSSIPING again.

Let me guess: "Provide evidence and sources? To you? NEVAH!!" HAHAHA Yeah, we know. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT GOSSIP.

And why WOULDN'T White want to see that file? If you had people making such claims against you, investigating you, and writing articles for the world to see that YOU were accused of doing such horrible things, ARE YOU SAYING YOU'D LAY DOWN AND FORGET ABOUT IT?

There's that DOUBLE STANDARD again. If White GOES AFTER anyone, he's ANGRY, VIOLENT, SCARY, TRYING TO GET EVIDENCE TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE. But if he does NOT go after someone, HE'S AFRAID, HIDING, DOESN'T WANT THE TRUTH TO COME OUT.

You are unbelieveable, mame. Totally Nancy's doppleganger.
koldkase

Athens, GA

#184 Jan 26, 2008
Nancy Drew wrote:
Jeez...Catherine Gilles isn't even mentioned here. Wow.
It's far easier for those with simple minds to rehash, rehash...
Why don't you tell us about dear old Catherine? Obviously, you have some GOSSIP you're DYING to share.

Simple minds? Yours doesn't even rise to a simple mind. You're stuck back in a mental primordial ooze of HYSTERIA: IT'S A CHILD SEX RING!! RUN!! RUN!!
Nancy Drew

Chicago, IL

#185 Jan 26, 2008
No gossip...

And, no, I have nothing to share, at least with you. Just waiting for your robotic, possessed battery to run down. Ha.
koldkase wrote:
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Why don't you tell us about dear old Catherine? Obviously, you have some GOSSIP you're DYING to share.
Simple minds? Yours doesn't even rise to a simple mind. You're stuck back in a mental primordial ooze of HYSTERIA: IT'S A CHILD SEX RING!! RUN!! RUN!!
Nancy Drew

Chicago, IL

#186 Jan 26, 2008
Go study the law KK...you are totally wrong...it has nothing to do with civil vs. criminal.

Where oh where do you get this crap.
koldkase wrote:
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CRIMINAL LIBEL...not CIVIL LIBEL. Get it? THAT'S PROSECUTOR and DEFENSE ATTORNEY, NOT CIVIL ATTORNIES. It's NOT battling lawyers with absent clients, it's THE PEOPLE V DEFENDANT, with witnesses and evidence. Who says White would not testify, as the VICTIM? Who says Krebs would not be called to testify? Source?
More GOSSIP: You don't know WHAT Fleet White KNEW. Did you ASK him? Did he TELL you? SOURCES PLEASE!!!!!!!!! What law enforcement TOLD WHITE to go after Krebs? I don't believe THAT for one minute. Go after Krebs? For false reporting? If the woman is mentally ill--and everyone but you KREBBIES can see that she is, as THE VOLUMINOUS EVIDENCE WE HAVE AVAILABLE CLEARLY PROVES, how is that going to stick? She's at LEAST going to make REASONABLE DOUBT on her HISTORY alone. If you have PROOF that the DA was willing to try to make THAT CASE, I'd LOVE to see it! Otherwise, you're back out in left field GOSSIPING again.
Let me guess: "Provide evidence and sources? To you? NEVAH!!" HAHAHA Yeah, we know. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT GOSSIP.
And why WOULDN'T White want to see that file? If you had people making such claims against you, investigating you, and writing articles for the world to see that YOU were accused of doing such horrible things, ARE YOU SAYING YOU'D LAY DOWN AND FORGET ABOUT IT?
There's that DOUBLE STANDARD again. If White GOES AFTER anyone, he's ANGRY, VIOLENT, SCARY, TRYING TO GET EVIDENCE TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE. But if he does NOT go after someone, HE'S AFRAID, HIDING, DOESN'T WANT THE TRUTH TO COME OUT.
You are unbelieveable, mame. Totally Nancy's doppleganger.
Nancy Drew

Chicago, IL

#187 Jan 26, 2008
KK, you gotta pull yourself together girl...you're about to have a cyber melt down!!!

Criminal libel laws are subject to the same constitutional requirements as civil libel law.

White had to know that fewer than half of the states have criminal defamation statutes. Some of those laws, though still on the books, have been invalidated by court decision. Even in states where criminal libel laws exist, prosecution under those statutes is rare. Nevertheless, criminal libel laws are used against journalists from time to time, particularly when their reports are politically charged, and the person allegedly defamed has influence with a prosecutor's office.
RiverRat

North Fort Myers, FL

#188 Jan 26, 2008
"Singular asked if there was interest in investigating the White family. Mr. Hunter stated that he would investigate the Hartman family if it was indicated. Singular asked if the Whites had been actively investigated. Mr. Hunter replied that they hadd been actively investigated, although not 100%."

"Singular said that about three years ago Alex Hunter had some interest in Daphne White, and asked if there was interest in pursing this further. Alex Hunter then stated that he wanted to hear what Mr. Singular had to say first, then would consider answering Singular's questions. He stated that his first goal was concerning JonBenet's death. He said he had an open mind to anything that might advance the case.

Stephen Singular then stated that he [wanted] it to be on the record that he didn't think the Ramseys or an intruder killed JonBenet. He thinks other things need investigated. He referred to the exploitation of children and a subculture that JonBenet was exposed to that he didn't think had been investigated. He further stated that he had five names of people connected to pornography who have some connection to the Ramseys or the Ramsey group. He said that he had information from BPD Det. Ron Gosage that this had not been investigated. If there was to be a dialogue Mr. Singular wanted an indication of some baseline interest. He wanted to put this topic on the table and kick it around without names."
koldkase

Athens, GA

#189 Jan 26, 2008
Nancy Drew wrote:
KK, you gotta pull yourself together girl...you're about to have a cyber melt down!!!
Criminal libel laws are subject to the same constitutional requirements as civil libel law.
White had to know that fewer than half of the states have criminal defamation statutes. Some of those laws, though still on the books, have been invalidated by court decision. Even in states where criminal libel laws exist, prosecution under those statutes is rare. Nevertheless, criminal libel laws are used against journalists from time to time, particularly when their reports are politically charged, and the person allegedly defamed has influence with a prosecutor's office.
I'm not having a cyber meltdown. If you can't keep up, not my fault.

So you are stating that a criminal libel prosecution is done in civil court? Or a third kind of court? But not criminal court? And the prosecutor works for White, not for the People? You're right, I never heard of this.

I don't see how any of this is important in the big picture, though. What you seem to be claiming is that White used this obscure law to get the Krebs case file, but knew he'd never testify. I don't think you can prove that, but so what? Did White commit a crime in trying to have this prosecuted? Did they arrest him for that?

He got the case files released after petitioning the court. I think we ALL needed to see that file after the public lynching of the Whites, and the judge agreed. You certainly scarfed it up.

Again, you're condemning White on speculation about something that is remotely related. The upshot is it doesn't prove the Whites are child sex ring baby killers. Sadly, you don't seem to get that.
koldkase

Athens, GA

#190 Jan 26, 2008
Nancy Drew wrote:
No gossip...
And, no, I have nothing to share, at least with you. Just waiting for your robotic, possessed battery to run down. Ha.
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Again, you brag endlessly about your sources, and you NEVER have any. You are Nancy Krebs, aren't you?

Here's a clue for you, mame. I am not interested in your name dropping world of empty sources. Jams may be tossing and turning about how to get to your "sources", and candy may be working to beat you to the "scoop" by 13 minutes, but all I am interested in is the truth.

That, you NEVER have.
Nancy Drew

Chicago, IL

#191 Jan 26, 2008
Koldcase, you wouldn't know the truth if it was staring you in the face.

I seem to remember ol' Macky Boykin was indicted on 64 counts against one victim....Nancy Krebs.
koldkase wrote:
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Again, you brag endlessly about your sources, and you NEVER have any. You are Nancy Krebs, aren't you?
Here's a clue for you, mame. I am not interested in your name dropping world of empty sources. Jams may be tossing and turning about how to get to your "sources", and candy may be working to beat you to the "scoop" by 13 minutes, but all I am interested in is the truth.
That, you NEVER have.
cousin

Sherwood, OR

#192 Apr 28, 2008
Hi. Rex Krebs is my cousin of whom I was raised with. I can tell you he is in no way related to Nancy Krebs, nor was he adopted or have an uncle by the name of Don OR Doug. He was raised mostly by his father Allan Krebs and his grandfather Alfred Krebs, who lived on adjoining property in Sandpoint, up until he was 15. At 16 he went to jail for his first crimes and upon release went to California in search of his loser mother. It was there where he later got in more trouble as an adult and now where he's at on death row. No Nancy, no Don and no Doug.

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Indigo wrote:
Henri wrote:
"Rex Krebs is a convicted murderer of two young women in California. He is now on death row in California.
Nnacy Krebs isn't a professional genealogist. As far as I can judge she either knew nothing of any relationship to Rex Krebs, or she simply wasn't interested in it, like a lot of people. Rex Krebs seemed to be living in San Luis Obispo, like Nancy, before those murders and Nancy knew him as Ray Krebs.
There has ben some genealogical research done about this matter which I admit might not have been done by a professional genealogist. It looks as thouugh Rex Krebs was the son of a brother of Nancy's father called Allan Krebs, who was put in prison when Rex was an infant.
Rex was then adopted as an infant by another of Nancy's uncles called Doug Krebs, who I believe was a fire chief in somewhere like Oregon.
The fact remains that all the evidence points to Nancy and Rex Krebs being first cousins, even if they don't know it themselves. That's presuming Nancy is the biological daughter of Don Krebs."
Hi Henri,
At the link below is an exhaustive chronological history of Rex Allen Krebs (the convicted murderer): mother Connie, father Alan, stepfather Bob. According to this history, Doug Krebs did not adopt him as a child.
Here's a portion of what can be found at link:
1/28/1966 0 Born in Sandpoint, Idaho. He was the first child of his father, Alan, the second for
his mother, Connie.
1966 0 Alan tossed Rex over the roof of a car towards Connie, he was caught and
unharmed. Beginning of a long series of abuse from father.
4/1970 4 Fatherís Sister is violently murdered, Alan begins drinking heavily and more
abusive
1971 5
Parents divorce and mother re-married, step-father, Bob, begins to verbally and
physically abuse Rex...(snip)
http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/ser...
cousin

Sherwood, OR

#193 Apr 28, 2008
Hi. Rex Krebs is my cousin of whom I was raised with. I can tell you he is in no way related to Nancy Krebs, nor was he adopted or have an uncle by the name of Don OR Doug. He was raised mostly by his father Allan Krebs and his grandfather Alfred Krebs, who lived on adjoining property in Sandpoint, up until he was 15. At 16 he went to jail for his first crimes and upon release went to California in search of his loser mother. It was there where he later got in more trouble as an adult and now where he's at on death row. No Nancy, no Don and no Doug.
Henri McPhee

Bristol, UK

#194 Apr 29, 2008
Thatís interesting and fair comment from cousin.

I donít claim to have a definite opinion about Nancy Krebsí genealogy and family history because Iíve never made a profound study of the subject. I remember several years ago there were big arguments on the JonBenet forums about all this.

The poster Rte66, who died recently, had done some kind of a genealogical study of Nancy Krebs and came to similar conclusions as cousin has just stated.

There is a family tree of Nancyís on the internet now, somewhere. Iíve never found out for sure who compiled that Nancy Krebs family tree. I suspect it might have been Nancy herself, with some help perhaps from Mame, and some other Ramsey case researchers. I do remember Rte66 became quite upset about all the arguments, particularly as she was having problems finding healthy accommodation at the time.

Personally, I canít see what all the fuss is about. Nancy was asked by Boulder cops Trujillo, or Chuck Heidel, at one of her Boulder police interviews, if she was related to the convicted murderer Rex Krebs. In a way that wasnít terribly relevant to the Ramsey case. Nancy didnít seem to really know for sure.

Nancy replied that her mom had an unusual interest in the Rex Krebs case and she told the cops family stories and rumors about the matter which she had heard.

Nancy told the cops that she had a cousin who she knew as Ray Krebs in San Luis Obispo who looked like the Rex Krebs murderer and some of the old family stories she had heard about his father had been in prison and been adopted by another Krebs uncle.

I donít know if you know much about genealogy, but every family seems to be littered with family rumors about their ancestors, most of which turn out to be untrue. One of my grandmothers wanted some strange family name included with the grandchildrenís names because she reckoned somehow that there could be money in it from some wealthy ancestral family. None of our family researchers has been able to work that one out yet.

All this Nancy Krebs genealogy stuff should have been properly investigated by professional Certified Genealogical Records Specialists, and damn good genealogists, and not by amateurs arguing about the matter on the internet. What the soldier said isnít evidence. There needs to be good documentation in the Nancy Krebs genealogy

I just think that question about Rex Krebs to Nancy was a bit unfair by the Boulder cops. She could only say she didnít know for certain and what she did say about it was used to discredit her as some kind of a liar, or fruit loop.

The cops might just as well have asked Nancy what she knows about the principles of international finance, or about brittle bone disease, or why so many people voted for Hitler and Mugabe.

The cops should have questioned Nancy much more closely, and collected and gathered much more information about Fleet White, and Nancyís mom, and Nancyís Colorado child prostitute niece. That was relevant to the Ramsey case.

This is what was written by a lawyer in the law book English Justice published in 1932. I think it applies to the Nancy Krebs information:

ďThe commonest mistake made by those inexperienced in weighing evidence is to reject the whole of a story because the witness who told it has made mistakes, or even lied, as to part.Ē
FYI

Beaumont, TX

#195 Jul 17, 2010
Rex Krebs killed more than 2 women
Knowledge of said person

United States

#196 Dec 30, 2010
Rex Krebs was never adopted. the one you are talking about has nothing to do with nancy. None of you know what you are talking about.His Dad was a horrible person. He beat Rexs mother and Rex. His uncles were just as bad if not worse. that whole family was totally nuts.
Another first cousin

Falls Church, VA

#197 Dec 27, 2013
I am his first cousin. Rex was not adopted and he has nothing to do with Nancy Krebs. I agree none of you knows what you are talking about.

Since: Jul 10

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#199 Dec 27, 2013
The Whites were the most intimate friends the Ramseys had and they had first hand knowledge about the behavior issues of the Ramsey children. The planned confrontation / intervention was never about Jonbenet alone, it was about the problem with both kids not using the toilet.
Lass the bass

Scranton, PA

#200 Dec 27, 2013
Look at the note and you will find the killer.

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