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Since: Mar 07

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#1 Jan 8, 2013
I thought this might be an interesting topic for discussion. We were discussing this the other day in chat and there were so many interesting answers that I thought I'd bring the topic here also

If you could check one piece of information, not already known to the public, or not already checked to our knowledge, what would it be?

My response was to check the phone records of the Ramsey friends and attorneys during the time of the crime and that morning to see where their incoming calls were from and their times.

There were many interesting thoughts but I'll start it with this one and see where it goes. There are many things that were either never checked or never revealed. We are not talking about "double checking" or "rechecking"; just things that were never checked (as far as we know)

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#3 Jan 8, 2013
A few thoughts:

***GJ testimony transcripts

***A search of what Pam took to check that nothing was inside other things.

***Drug testing/blood tests of the Ramseys to see if there was melatonin or “more” than that.

******Blood alcohol levels? Other drugs?

***New interview with the Stines

***Better inventory of what Pam removed from the home (while getting funeral clothes)

***View footage from the home after the Ramseys had cameras set up

*** Ramseys should have been subjected to body checks before they left that day to see if there were any bruises or scratches or injury, or anything taken from the home on their person(s).

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Since: Mar 07

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#4 Jan 8, 2013
I would also like to see a REinterview (assuming they spoke with him) of Doug Stine

I think, like with Burke, some of the children of their neighbors and friends, in hindsight might certainly have more to say regarding the Ramsey children. I think after having lived with Burke and the Ramseys in his own home, he (doug) might have lots of insight into events and remarks made during that time that may shed some more light on the reality of what was going on

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#5 Jan 8, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
I would also like to see a REinterview (assuming they spoke with him) of Doug Stine
I think, like with Burke, some of the children of their neighbors and friends, in hindsight might certainly have more to say regarding the Ramsey children. I think after having lived with Burke and the Ramseys in his own home, he (doug) might have lots of insight into events and remarks made during that time that may shed some more light on the reality of what was going on
you guys covered it all, there's nothing left to check! I guess the children of these people are your best bet, kids always listen in if something's going on like that, and now they're of an age to articulate. I'd love to talk to FWlll and Daphne, and the school nurse.
I wish we could pick the brain of Linda Arndt too, I NEED clarification of what she said in her GMA interview. It bothers me that she left things unsaid and that the interviewer didn't get more from her or even try.

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Since: Mar 07

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#6 Jan 8, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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you guys covered it all, there's nothing left to check! I guess the children of these people are your best bet, kids always listen in if something's going on like that, and now they're of an age to articulate. I'd love to talk to FWlll and Daphne, and the school nurse.
I wish we could pick the brain of Linda Arndt too, I NEED clarification of what she said in her GMA interview. It bothers me that she left things unsaid and that the interviewer didn't get more from her or even try.
Like FW, Linda Arndt had her share of retributions also for saying the things that she did. I'm sure she kept quiet after that and made nicey to the Ramseys, seeing what happens when you don't. I don't think Arndt initially realized how much power was behind the Ramseys but she would be a great choice to interview again, as would the school nurse

I also wish they would check the phone records of Dr. Beuf. I think there are some secrets there as well

Since: Feb 12

Honolulu, HI

#7 Jan 8, 2013
I would have asked Lou Smit to take a polygraph test regarding the JB case, and even now, I would ask Mary Lacy to do the same.
Heloise

London, UK

#8 Jan 8, 2013
Some fantastic ideas on here. I would like a panel of experts to look at the autopsy photographs and the autopsy report and peripheral documents again.

I would also like someone to check the photographs from the White party in minute detail.
Heloise

London, UK

#9 Jan 8, 2013
I would also like to see the family medical records, JBR's and Burke's permanent school records and I'd re-interview JAR and Don Paugh.
Heloise

London, UK

#10 Jan 8, 2013
I'd also love to see an inventory of the books that were in the house.

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Since: Mar 07

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#11 Jan 8, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
I would have asked Lou Smit to take a polygraph test regarding the JB case, and even now, I would ask Mary Lacy to do the same.
Great ideas and nice to see you back. Happy New Year to you and yours

I agree that Lacy, Hunter and Smit should take polygraphs as well as Tracey

I think the taxpayers should demand their money be reimbursed by Smit's estate and Tracey for the JMK disaster. They lived their own fantasy of JMK's fantasy and the taxpayers paid the price. I think both Tracey and Smit's estate should pay the taxpayers back, along with Lacy for such a waste of time, energy and money

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#12 Jan 8, 2013
I will go with:

1. FULL DNA REPORT
2. Grand Jury Transcripts
3. Phone records

Since: Feb 12

Honolulu, HI

#13 Jan 8, 2013
Legal__Eagle wrote:
I will go with:
1. FULL DNA REPORT
2. Grand Jury Transcripts
3. Phone records
I agree with that too, but you are not going to get a full DNA report.
CC
Steve Eller

United States

#14 Jan 8, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
I would have asked Lou Smit to take a polygraph test regarding the JB case, and even now, I would ask Mary Lacy to do the same.
Or we could just have cut to the chase and asked them for their off shore bank accounts. Just saying..
Heloise

London, UK

#15 Jan 8, 2013
Blimey. This thread got me thinking for some reason of the search warrants. I just checked the warrant from 26 December.'....the female child, JonBenet Ramsey, had last been seen by her father at approximately 10pm on December 25, 1996. This information had personally been told to Detective Arndy by John Ramsey. JonBenet Ramsey was last seen in her bed...'

Now, I know they changed their stories etc but at what point did they start saying that Patsy saw her last and changed her from her party clothes to her bed clothes while she slept rather than that John put her to bed and that was the last they saw of her?

This is a pretty fundamental change in the story and you can only surmise why they changed it.

Sorry, I know this is old stuff but these case documents occasionally reward a re-examination.
Heloise

London, UK

#16 Jan 8, 2013
Steve Eller wrote:
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Or we could just have cut to the chase and asked them for their off shore bank accounts. Just saying..
LOL!

Since: Feb 12

Honolulu, HI

#17 Jan 8, 2013
Hi Capricorn, I have been terribly busy, in moving to the city. Haven't had much time to read or post.

Going from a house to a condo is a task. The condo has very little storage space.
CC

Since: May 11

Seattle, WA

#18 Jan 8, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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Like FW, Linda Arndt had her share of retributions also for saying the things that she did. I'm sure she kept quiet after that and made nicey to the Ramseys, seeing what happens when you don't. I don't think Arndt initially realized how much power was behind the Ramseys but she would be a great choice to interview again, as would the school nurse
I also wish they would check the phone records of Dr. Beuf. I think there are some secrets there as well
Yes! Beuf and his mysterious files and phone records, good thinking;) It made me crazy when the Ramseys said 'someone'(cops) broke into his safe deposit box at the bank..I mean really, what person alive believes ANYONE can sachet into a bank and pry open a safe deposit box at any time of the day? If cops took the file, they had a warrant.
Real issue is WHY would a pediatrician need to hide a SIX YEAR OLD'S medical file? You'd think she had std's with all the secrecy and complaining.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#19 Jan 9, 2013
realTopaz wrote:
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Yes! Beuf and his mysterious files and phone records, good thinking;) It made me crazy when the Ramseys said 'someone'(cops) broke into his safe deposit box at the bank..I mean really, what person alive believes ANYONE can sachet into a bank and pry open a safe deposit box at any time of the day? If cops took the file, they had a warrant.
Real issue is WHY would a pediatrician need to hide a SIX YEAR OLD'S medical file? You'd think she had std's with all the secrecy and complaining.
Hi there RT,

Just like the Stines, Dr. Beuf has been swept under the rug when it comes to questions and answers. They are all major players IMO and I do believe Beuf is one of those involved that holds many secrets.

There would be no reason to hide JBR's medical files assuming she had the ordinary ailments/illnesses that children get. My guess is that the records show notations that would not be flattering to the Ramseys or the case, given what we know. Otherwise, there is no reason to hide sore throats, measles, and other ailments that children get during their childhood.

When there is nothing to hide, nothing should be hidden

The fact that Beuf felt comfortable enough to prescribe for Patsy was a red flag considering the circumstances. The PROFESSIONAL thing to do would have been to contact Patsy's physician if she needed medication

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Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#20 Jan 9, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
Hi Capricorn, I have been terribly busy, in moving to the city. Haven't had much time to read or post.
Going from a house to a condo is a task. The condo has very little storage space.
CC
Hi CC,

I can only imagine the hectic nature of the move. Downsizing is always problematic and I hope it all goes smoothly for you

One day you'll look back on all this and laugh........one day LOL
Heloise

Liverpool, UK

#21 Jan 9, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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Hi there RT,
Just like the Stines, Dr. Beuf has been swept under the rug when it comes to questions and answers. They are all major players IMO and I do believe Beuf is one of those involved that holds many secrets.
There would be no reason to hide JBR's medical files assuming she had the ordinary ailments/illnesses that children get. My guess is that the records show notations that would not be flattering to the Ramseys or the case, given what we know. Otherwise, there is no reason to hide sore throats, measles, and other ailments that children get during their childhood.
When there is nothing to hide, nothing should be hidden
The fact that Beuf felt comfortable enough to prescribe for Patsy was a red flag considering the circumstances. The PROFESSIONAL thing to do would have been to contact Patsy's physician if she needed medication
That's an excellent point, Cappy, especially since the prescription drugs were some species of sedative and these have to be dispensed with caution and with a full knowledge of the patient's medical history etc.

I think your analysis of the reasons for which JBR's records were withheld is absolutely correct, too. There should have been no problem at all with innocent childhood medical records being made available.

I hesitate to mention this, since last time I spoke of Judith Phillips, a little argument ensued, but FWIW, when she was on FFJ, she claimed that Beuf was controversial and split opinion among parents in Boulder. That said, in DoI, Patsy and John praise him to the high heavens, so maybe that was just a personal opion expressed by Judith that she projected on to a few other parents?

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