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candy

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Jun 12, 2013
 
The Boulder Police has it's own DNA lab now. Something they have wanted for years. Woo hoo!

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Jun 13, 2013
 
Thanks Candy. Any more information as to how, when, why this came about?
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The Boulder Police has it's own DNA lab now. Something they have wanted for years. Woo hoo!
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Jun 13, 2013
 
I don't have any more details right now on it. It's something they have wanted for years. It took a while with CBI. What I like is, the Scams false perps can be flushed out much more quickly. It's after all THEM that made that unsourced DNA "the killer's DNA", them and their buddy Lacy.

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Jun 14, 2013
 
LOL, you are right! Instant dismissal of the BS - good point.
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I don't have any more details right now on it. It's something they have wanted for years. It took a while with CBI. What I like is, the Scams false perps can be flushed out much more quickly. It's after all THEM that made that unsourced DNA "the killer's DNA", them and their buddy Lacy.
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Jun 14, 2013
 
Thank you for finding this, Candy.

Don't know about everybody else, but after feeling very optimistic and positive a few weeks ago, I am feeling that the JonBenet case is being kicked back into the long grass.

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Jun 14, 2013
 

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I envy you and your bouts of optimism - I just can't muster up anything that makes me believe this will ever move from a cold case to any other stage of investigation.
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Thank you for finding this, Candy.
Don't know about everybody else, but after feeling very optimistic and positive a few weeks ago, I am feeling that the JonBenet case is being kicked back into the long grass.
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Jun 14, 2013
 
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I envy you and your bouts of optimism - I just can't muster up anything that makes me believe this will ever move from a cold case to any other stage of investigation.
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Hi Dr Seuss,

I think I must just be horribly naive. Every time there's a flurry of news and a little interest in JBR outside of our Internet circle (including FFJ, Websleuths etc), I think that JonBenet's time for justice is coming. You'd think I'd have learnt my lesson after sixteen years.

I guess all we can do is carry on our own efforts and hope that we can get close to the truth.

Happy Friday, BTW.

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Jun 14, 2013
 
Hi Heloise, and happy Friday to you as well.

I don’t think you are naďve, after all, you don’t believe there was an intruder, LOL.

I think you are a proponent for justice who wants to be optimistic that JBR will someday have the justice she so richly deserves, so I see a huge difference between that and naiveté.

I too want the truth exposed, and little-by-little, year-by-year, we are getting snippets of the truth revealed – a filling in of the truth so to speak. We will gain knowledge, but not true justice.
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Hi Dr Seuss,
I think I must just be horribly naive. Every time there's a flurry of news and a little interest in JBR outside of our Internet circle (including FFJ, Websleuths etc), I think that JonBenet's time for justice is coming. You'd think I'd have learnt my lesson after sixteen years.
I guess all we can do is carry on our own efforts and hope that we can get close to the truth.
Happy Friday, BTW.
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Jun 14, 2013
 

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Now that they can cover the DNA side of the case in house they should hand out library cards to the investigators to cover the linguistics side.
candy

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Jul 13, 2013
 
Boulder PD and/or Denver's crime lab should so this with that unsourced DNA, to try to identify it:

Earlier this year Yaniv Erlich, who runs a lab at MIT's Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research, published a paper in the journal Science describing how he was able to identify individuals, and their families, from ANONYMOUS DNA data in a research project. All it took was a computer algorithm, a genetic genealogy website and searches of publicly available Internet records.

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/...
candy

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This revelation in the above post, that now formerly ANONYMOUS DNA can be identified is huge for this case. It is only a matter of time before the unsourced DNA is identified. And that is huge. The underwear/longjohns DNA either proves Lacy and the Scams correct in that it belongs to "the perpetrator of this homicide" she said when she cleared the Scams in 2008, OR it is an artifact. You don't have to wait for any CODIS DNA match if a person committed a crime or not. It could be used to ID ALL the unsourced DNA in this case if need be. BUT this is a huge development in that it makes this case much closer to a prosecutable case. Either a person will be arrested upon ID of the underwear/longjohns DNA OR you will have knocked out the largest part left of "the intruder theory." Do you have to know who did what to try this case? NO. The Boulder DA's office had two uncooperative parents when they indicted the two Midyette parents in the death of their infant, the same in the Aarone Thompson case, both parents refused to flip, one died before trial, the other was CONVICTED. This day of identifying the DNA was always going to come sooner rather than later, it was always a matter of matching up the applicable genetics and alorithm. The perp or perps of this crime should be sweating bullets because that DNA will be identified, and then a triable case will be that much closer in this case, IMO.

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Erlich was working with DNA samples used in “genetic research studies.” He was able to identify (some?) of those samples by cross-referencing the “genetic research studies” information with publically available information.

The “ANONYNOUS DNA” used by Erlich came with family pedigrees and ages, etc and this info was publically available. He used other publically available databases to “match” last names and then searched other publically available databases to match things like last name, age, location, etc.

Erlich is exposing security flaws in various databanks.


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I asked specifically about the DNA in the Ramsey case that we want identified, I'm not referring to ALL of the unsourced DNA, because there are MANY, but the one the Scams and Lacy said belonged to "the perpetrator of this homicide, the underwear/waistband of the longjohns DNA. Can you get a full identification from a PARTIAL DNA profile of only TEN markers? This is the answer:

"10 markers do not provide sufficient resolution to surname prediction but can might shed light on the ethnic origin of paternal line of the originator."
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Just look at the situation we find ourselves in, thanks to Lacy. Based on nothng more than the ONE item of evidence she sent to Bode, that yielded a match on both sides of the waistbands (hey no surprised there, anyone try to pull up longjohns on just one side, not possible) to a minute MALE FRACTION INVISIBLE amount of PARTIAL DNA sample, Lacy unlaterally clears the Ramseys, the people in the house when the child was murdered, the parents of whom were indicted by the grand jury for child abuse leading to death, Lacy clears them without ANY match to the partial DNA. That leaves those who believe that THEY the Ramseys are responsible for this murder to source this PARTIAL DNA which can only give a PARTIAL ID, but Lacy gave a full ID to as "THE PERPETRATOR OF THIS HOMICIDE." You HAVE to ID it to move forward, and you CAN'T because it has NEVER linked in any FORENSIC database, which you would expect an ARTIFACT would not. How are you supposed to identify DNA that is NOT matching ANY criminal DNA databank? Where is the way to identify NON CRIMINAL DNA? HOW DO YOU SEEK JUSTICE IN THIS SITUATION LACY CREATED? I hope the media are asking these HARD questions about Lacy's actions, since she NEVER of course INDICTED the case with this DNA, which prosecutors do in rape cases where there is a statute of limitations. There is NO statute of limitations on murder, she never HAD to clear the Ramseys she did not KNOW who this DNA belongs to, AND WE STILL DON'T FIVE YEARS LATER, after she cleared them, 17 years after this case. THIS is the type of inquiry that should be going on in this case.

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candy wrote:
I asked specifically about the DNA in the Ramsey case that we want identified, I'm not referring to ALL of the unsourced DNA, because there are MANY, but the one the Scams and Lacy said belonged to "the perpetrator of this homicide, the underwear/waistband of the longjohns DNA. Can you get a full identification from a PARTIAL DNA profile of only TEN markers? This is the answer:
"10 markers do not provide sufficient resolution to surname prediction but can might shed light on the ethnic origin of paternal line of the originator."
Who did you ask? How did you frame the question?

“Surname prediction” and “ethnic origin” are dead giveaways that you and the person you asked were talking about two different things! Good grief.

Who did you ask? How did you frame the question?


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candy wrote:
Just look at the situation we find ourselves in, thanks to Lacy. Based on nothng more than the ONE item of evidence she sent to Bode, that yielded a match on both sides of the waistbands (hey no surprised there, anyone try to pull up longjohns on just one side, not possible) to a minute MALE FRACTION INVISIBLE amount of PARTIAL DNA sample, Lacy unlaterally clears the Ramseys, the people in the house when the child was murdered, the parents of whom were indicted by the grand jury for child abuse leading to death, Lacy clears them without ANY match to the partial DNA. That leaves those who believe that THEY the Ramseys are responsible for this murder to source this PARTIAL DNA which can only give a PARTIAL ID, but Lacy gave a full ID to as "THE PERPETRATOR OF THIS HOMICIDE." You HAVE to ID it to move forward, and you CAN'T because it has NEVER linked in any FORENSIC database, which you would expect an ARTIFACT would not. How are you supposed to identify DNA that is NOT matching ANY criminal DNA databank? Where is the way to identify NON CRIMINAL DNA? HOW DO YOU SEEK JUSTICE IN THIS SITUATION LACY CREATED? I hope the media are asking these HARD questions about Lacy's actions, since she NEVER of course INDICTED the case with this DNA, which prosecutors do in rape cases where there is a statute of limitations. There is NO statute of limitations on murder, she never HAD to clear the Ramseys she did not KNOW who this DNA belongs to, AND WE STILL DON'T FIVE YEARS LATER, after she cleared them, 17 years after this case. THIS is the type of inquiry that should be going on in this case.
You can expect to “match” an unsourced DNA sample if that sample has an innocent explanation.

As you call it,“non criminal DNA” is most usually from most recent contact by an innocent – family, friend, acquaintance, etc or from the investigation (handling of body/evidence).

That’s how you match non criminal DNA, Candy -you compare it to EVERYONE known to have been in recent contact. This was done with the end result being that all reasonable innocent explanations were eliminated.

According to Kolar (p. 141) the jbr CODIS sample is one of 417,200 “unknown forensic profiles” in the database. Hundreds of thousands of offenders whose DNA is not in the databank and jbr’s killer is just another one of them.

Your comments regarding Lacey are meaningless. She’s history and her exoneration isn’t a thing should any evidence ever emerge to warrant opeing up that umbrella again!


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That’s how you match non criminal DNA, Candy -you compare it to EVERYONE known to have been in recent contact. This was done with the end result being that all reasonable innocent explanations were eliminated.
Take off your blinders.

How would the police know who to check for contact? Many people they were able to surmise - NOT ALL. And it doesn't have to have been recent. The unsourced DNA was by all accounts incomplete, old, and degraded and could have been there for years. The long johns may have originally been Burke's or handed down to him.

The Ramsey parents never once helped with the investigation. The police to this day are waiting for help from the family. They had to be interviewed 'together' to cover for the deception.

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To discover where the unsourced DNA came from would have taken hours of intimate discussions with Patsy. That's what innocent parents of true murder vicitms do, they help police in anyway possible. They spend hours and days talking about their child, reliving their lives, sharing every detail and trival incident they remember. They practically move into the police department. They never give up. They never forget.

All the Ramseys did was run and shield Burke and his secrets.

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John and Patsy Ramsey put all manner of constraints on how the police could talk with them. They had affluence to afford going down a different street. It was not an honest open approach. The Ramseys are hiding the truth and it must be shocking and disgusting.

One can only imagine the horrors JonBenet experienced on a daily basis with such animals for a 'family'.
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Anti-K wrote:
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Who did you ask? How did you frame the question?
“Surname prediction” and “ethnic origin” are dead giveaways that you and the person you asked were talking about two different things! Good grief.
Who did you ask? How did you frame the question?

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I will answer how I phrased the queswtion, I won't answer who the DNA expert I consulted with is, other than to say a DNA expert with knowledge of the situation and the 10 markers. I learned a long time ago to keep sources confidential after I posted a reply by the FBI that certain people flamed was fake, I then posted the man's name, and he was swamped with unwanted people from the boards. You can fact check anything I post from a DNA expert with your own DNA expert. We've had posters on her lying that they were DNA experts, and it's important for posters to know that this subject and most questions pertaining to this case are in the realm of expert interpretation.

How I phrased the question was "Would you be able to find out an identity to this DNA given it is only has 10 of 13 markers?" What I posted was the expert's verbatim reply.

Secondly on DNA transfer of such a SMALL MINUTE amount of DNA, all combined INVISIBLE to the naked eye, you are very misinformed if you think rounding up everyone she was with that day will cover ALL the possiblities of how such a minute amount of DNA would have been transferred. Our poster leanin famously posted about how many kids hands were all over that bike JonBenet received and rode that day. Then there are surfaces and rest rooms in the areas she was at and who was in them and touched them, etc. That's just for starters.

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