Gary - A Wilde Story

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Funny you didn't question ROTM killing herself after I said we went to a hotel together..Goes to show how much you LOVE my friend ROTM..You would NEVER say anything about her killing herself..love her too much don't ya?
She deserves a living hell with you.
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Oh yea Shill, in this message that I posted I meant to say that you are too old to enjoy sex or a hotel room. Old people can't crank that! HAHA!
At least I don't need batteries like your little plastic friend.
You have to be the only women that can make a vibrator throw up.

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Oh yea Shill, in this message that I posted I meant to say that you are too old to enjoy sex or a hotel room. Old people can't crank that! HAHA!
You couldn`t keep up!!!
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I believe YOU believe you have a nugget of truth. I also think you are a bit like a bird building a nest. You take bits and pieces from unsolved murders and weave it into your Gary story. Unfortunately, the bits you choose are part of lore, conjecture or face value. Have you ever seen a LE document concerning the OCCK kids? I think you have obtained all of your information from Helen's site and Kdogg's thread. No matter how much I believe what Helen has to say, I have not seen one document to make it all true so, essentially I cannot know and do not know for a FACT that John is the guy. You use the word FACT when it isn't. A fact has valid evidence to back up the statement; it does not include phrases such as, "Kdogg said," or "Gary told me," that is hearsay.

I do think you believe Gary killed someone ( and he may have), but when you start mapping, finding words on victim names, pulling in old and new serial killings to your Gary spin without solid evidence in your hand, you sound ridiculous. As for your Jonbenet gloves - they aren't evidence until they are in LE's possession and have been tested. Why not take a trip out to Colorado -just give them one glove if you want to protect your asset. Colorado is lovely this time of year.

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You need to ask yourself, Is Dan telling the truth. IF you think that I am then don`t fight against me. Certainly you can see that what I say makes sense and fits together.
Asked and answered a thousand times over.

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Let`s separate FACT AND LIKELYHOOD. IT`S A FACT that ZODIAC killed ON/NEAR HOLIDAYS. IT`S A FACT that the Michigan kids were abducted and murdered ON/NEAR HOLIDAYS New Years, St. Patricks Day, Valentines Day, and Christmas. It`s a FACT that Jonbenet was murder Christmas or Christmas night and Helgoth was murdered Valentines Day. It`s also a FACT that a vcr tape of tim ALLEN was left at the murder scene. It`s a FACT that ZODIAC is believed by some to have been arthur leigh ALLEN. It`s a FACT that in the middle of the Michigan OCCK killings that jane ALLEN was murdered and her body dumped in Ohio. It`s my OPINION that since Gary talked about killing Jane and that he talked about making a late night trip to Ohio and since the Fire Department came to Gary`s home that Gary carbon monoxided jane Allen in the trunk of his white Monte Carlo. It`s a FACT that I saw how that the Monte Carlo had pry marks like someone had tried to escape inside it, sprung hinges from someone kicking inside and Round marks from the jack handle made from the inside as if someone tried to escape that trunk.
It`s a FACT that the MI killer got stuck in the snow dumping off kristine Mihelich`s body. It`s a FACT that GM engineers using crime scene photos calculate that the killers car was a 1971-72 Pontiac Lemans. Gary owned a early production 1973 Lemans with a 1972 frame. It`s a FACT that I smashed the front of my 1967 Pontiac Tempest and told KJ he could fix it and sell it and pay me later. It`s a FACT that KJ wouldn`t tell me who he sold it to but that he Gary got the light blue HOUSE paint that KJ had used to repaint the car. Gary told me that he knocked over the paint trying to put Jill`s bike in the car. IT`S A MAJOR POINT IN THIS CASE that police were investigating a HOUSE painter as a suspect since that car was repainted with HOUSE paint. Witnesses saw damage on the left rear of the Lemans. It`s a FACT that Gary got into an accident with his car and that it had left rear damage. My brother saw it. It`s a FACT that the Michigan kids were redressed after dead and that two were jabbed with objects. It`s LIKELY that Jonbenet was redressed and a FACT that Jonbenet was jabbed with an object. It`s a fact that MI victim Tim King was fed one of his favorite foods and then murdered. It`s also a FACT that Jonbenet Ramsey was likewise fed one of her favorite foods and then murdered. Finally, it`s a FACT that Jill Robinson`s body was found 12-26-76 and that Jonbenet`s was found 12-26-96. It`s a FACT that it`s my OPINION from my memory that just after Christmas time 1996 that Gary offered me a package of girls underwear with one missing and then later said that he returned them to the house where he got them. Likewise did I see Gary put a rope inside a bag in my brothers shed, both which were found at Jonbenet`s murder and I did see Gary use duct tape and get black dog hair off the back of my brothers beagle, black animal hair being found on Jonbenet`s body. I do hearby swear that this is true to the best of my memory and that`s why I want this investigated since Gary claimed to have killed the Michigan kids and Jonbenet and also in front of my wife and I that Gary did grab our daughter and squeeze her on his lap and look off dazed and when he finally released her then he warned us to not let her on his side of the room and that for several years after that that we didn`t allow Gary to come over.
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DETROIT wrote:
...Gary did grab our daughter and squeeze her on his lap and look off dazed....
And look off dazed? What was the deal with that? What do you think he was "dazed" about?
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Detroit: When your friend Gary used tape to obtain dog fur from your brother's Beagle, what did you say? I would have asked him, "What in the Hell did you do that for?" Did his odd behavior ever raise any concerns regarding his mental stability?
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[It`s a FACT that the MI killer got stuck in the snow dumping off kristine Mihelich`s body. It`s a FACT that GM engineers using crime scene photos calculate that the killers car was a 1971-72 Pontiac Lemans.

It is not a fact that the killer got stuck in the snow after dumping Kristine's body. There appeared to be a snowbank with an impression that suggested someone backed into it. That could be the killer, but it is not a fact that it was the killer. And yes, the impression left was, surmissed through photographs only, to be a Lemans. It is not a fact that this is the killer's car. That is how you make your leaps. There are so many other possibilities - the killer didn't necessarily do the dumping. The impression could have been a passrby before or after Kris was placed. Stop making leaps of fact.

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Wow. I'm just reading over this thread and gathered all of the facts....Now I'm kinda starting to believe Dan's story. Perhaps Gary did kill Jonbenet? This thread really is an eye opener. I just spent 2 hours carefully examining the things stated on this thread.

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I call it a Wilde story because Wilde was the girls name in Wisconsin that Gary got in the accident with on WED that Gary returned later that day and murdered. That freaked him out so much that his WED/SUN killing patterns stopped in 5 states and started in 5 other states. It`s as plain as day on the chart that I made. None of the victims were ever found. They just all disappear.

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CandyO wrote:
[It`s a FACT that the MI killer got stuck in the snow dumping off kristine Mihelich`s body. It`s a FACT that GM engineers using crime scene photos calculate that the killers car was a 1971-72 Pontiac Lemans.
It is not a fact that the killer got stuck in the snow after dumping Kristine's body. There appeared to be a snowbank with an impression that suggested someone backed into it. That could be the killer, but it is not a fact that it was the killer. And yes, the impression left was, surmissed through photographs only, to be a Lemans. It is not a fact that this is the killer's car. That is how you make your leaps. There are so many other possibilities - the killer didn't necessarily do the dumping. The impression could have been a passrby before or after Kris was placed. Stop making leaps of fact.
I have a copy somewhere of that Free Press article that Helen Dagner posted. Obviously they believed that the car belonged to the killer. That`s why they enlisted the help of GM engineers, who using photos measured out that the car was a 1971-72 Lemans. Gary escaped investigation because his car had the 1972 body before they switched over to the larger 1973`s but his title said 1973. Furthermore, that car was seen by witnesses who said that the car had bondo on the rear left trunk. Gary`s car had identical bondo because he got run off the road by a fire truck going the wrong way down Grand River. It was ruled the fire trucks fault. All of this addds up to evidence, not a leap of faith and police found a photo of the Lemans in Gary`s house in Livonia when they raided it!!!

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Maybe Gary cooked and ate them?
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<quoted text>Gary owned a Lemans which matched the year sought in the killings and police found a photo of it when they searched his house and asked me all kinds of questions about did Gary`s buddy Saad ever wear all black. That was after the 2nd Boulder girls attacker had been wearing all black. Gary claimed in 1976 to have been visiting Saad`s sisters house and one got away. Terri Tom was 11 and escaped being grabbed and she talked about Saad`s sister living by her and even sent me a photo of Paula`s husband. When I asked where this happened Gary pointed at his Marlboro`s. This happened on Marlborough street. Saad often covered for Gary when Gary was out looking and I believe that he rents Gary`s house.
When KJ repaired my Tempest my and repainted it Gary secretly bought it. The car was painted with light blue HOUSE paint and the leftover paint Gary knocked over trying to put Jill Robinson`s bike in the trunk then left it at the scene. At the time Gary borrowed my brothers shotgun and claimed to have shot the ground only. Jill was shot with a shotgun. When Gary dumped Kristine`s body he talked about getting stuck in the snow. From pictures taken at the scene GM calculated the car to be a 1971-72 Lemans. Gary owned a 1973 LEMANS with a 1972 frame. The Lemans according to witnesses had damage to the left rear trunk area. Gary had been driven off Grand River by a Fire Truck taking a shortcut going the wrong way on the road which forced him off the road and he slid sideways into a fire plug suffering damage to the left rear trunk and bumper area of the Lemans. Gary even bragged about killing Jane and that he carbon monoxided her in the trunk of his white Monte Carlo. I saw that his trunk hinges were sprung and there were pry marks on the inside of his trunk and jack handle marks from the inside out where someone had been in the trunk and tried to escape. At the time Gary talked about a late night trip to Ohio. Since I`ve gotten the Internet I see that Jane Allen was dumped in Ohio after being carbon monoxided. The Fire Department even came to Gary`s mothers house when smoke was billowing under the garage door and he arrived back home just in time to stop them breaking down the garage door.---Everything matches Gary as the killer. Zodiac`s name was arthur leigh ALLEN. Gary killed Jane ALLEN and left the VCR tape of the Santa Clause starring tim ALLEN at the murder of Helgoth on Valentines Day.--Gary thinks that he`s Zodiac and even left excerpts of Dirty Harry the Zodiac remake in the Jonbenet Ramsey Ransom Note.
Hold it ?? I said don't include me ??
Gary was NEVER near me. He had NOTHING to do with what happened to me. My friend's, the Saad's, are not the people you talk about.
Not at all included, not me not them. He was NEVER on my street.
I still know the Saad's. I still talk to them. We are friends. They don't know YOUR Gary.
I did not escape Gary. I KNOW who that was that day. No, I won't name him in public. But, police know and some past posters including Kdogg know. It wasn't Gary.
Don't include me again.
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I believe YOU believe you have a nugget of truth. I also think you are a bit like a bird building a nest. You take bits and pieces from unsolved murders and weave it into your Gary story. Unfortunately, the bits you choose are part of lore, conjecture or face value. Have you ever seen a LE document concerning the OCCK kids? I think you have obtained all of your information from Helen's site and Kdogg's thread. No matter how much I believe what Helen has to say, I have not seen one document to make it all true so, essentially I cannot know and do not know for a FACT that John is the guy. You use the word FACT when it isn't. A fact has valid evidence to back up the statement; it does not include phrases such as, "Kdogg said," or "Gary told me," that is hearsay.
I do think you believe Gary killed someone ( and he may have), but when you start mapping, finding words on victim names, pulling in old and new serial killings to your Gary spin without solid evidence in your hand, you sound ridiculous. As for your Jonbenet gloves - they aren't evidence until they are in LE's possession and have been tested. Why not take a trip out to Colorado -just give them one glove if you want to protect your asset. Colorado is lovely this time of year.
Oh my God ???
Don't feed him ?
You know Helen, right ??
If I know Gary's real last name then she must too ??
So you have to know, none of this is true ?
Gary killed NO ONE. The police know it here in Michigan, Helen knows it, Kdogg knows it, and so should you ??
Danny, be careful what you post. We had an agreement ?
I know I'm not involved in Gary's story and so do you.
We both know who he is too ?? Gary M. yes, but not McNeil.
Do you want his current address ?
Play your fantasy games, keep me 100% out of it.
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Dan- you are replying to a post that is two years old which tells me that you are just trying to stir things up. I have some comments and then I'm not going to play:

FACT can is undeniable. You have a copy of a news article, I have a copy of the of the actual report and research done by the now retired detective who investigated the Lemans angle. It is not a FACT that the car impression was a Lemans, it is not a FACT that it belonged to the killer.

Cody- Again, that was along time ago. I agree Gary killed no one.

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Otterpopps wrote:
Wow. I'm just reading over this thread and gathered all of the facts....Now I'm kinda starting to believe Dan's story. Perhaps Gary did kill Jonbenet? This thread really is an eye opener. I just spent 2 hours carefully examining the things stated on this thread.
Compare the child abductions in Iowa that Gary mentioned to the Michigan abductions. All the Michigan victims were abducted WED & SUN. In the midst of the Michigan killings Jane ALLEN was murdered. Two of the missing Michigan kids attended schools named LINCOLN, which is a car and a president. Michigan has a ROBINson (bird). Just like the Michigan killings every Iowa victim was on a WEDNESDAY or a SUNDAY all the way from from 1975 to 2005 except ALLEN, who was abducted EASTER weekend. Iowa has a COLLEE, starts with a a FORD, has a (dodge)KERIVAN, and ends with CLINTON. Among the victims are 10-5-75 COLLEEn(dog) VANita simpson in bedFORD(car) on SUNDAY, 9-1-82 doss on WEDNESDAY, 9-5-82 gosch on SUNDAY, 8-12-84 MARTIN (bird) on SUNDAY, then in the middle 3-29-86 ALLEN on saturday before EASTER, 6-3-01 pospisil on SUNDAY, 9-14-05 kyanja (dodge)KERI VANwey. After I talked about the WED SUN pattern roseland went missing on a saturday in CLINTON (president).

Obviously the Iowa missing is the work of a repeat serial killer since two of the victims were newspaper boys. Gary showed me a newspaper carrier bag from one of the victims.
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CandyO wrote:
Dan- you are replying to a post that is two years old which tells me that you are just trying to stir things up. I have some comments and then I'm not going to play:
FACT can is undeniable. You have a copy of a news article, I have a copy of the of the actual report and research done by the now retired detective who investigated the Lemans angle. It is not a FACT that the car impression was a Lemans, it is not a FACT that it belonged to the killer.
Cody- Again, that was along time ago. I agree Gary killed no one.
Thanks. I just don't like seeing my name in the Gary stories.
I know you know a lot about the OCCK case. I really don't.
I know about a few people that probably aren't even related.
But, I know who was in the Ford that day and it wasn't Gary.
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cody wrote:
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Thanks. I just don't like seeing my name in the Gary stories.
I know you know a lot about the OCCK case. I really don't.
I know about a few people that probably aren't even related.
But, I know who was in the Ford that day and it wasn't Gary.
:)
Oh ya, 2008. I didn't see that........
I can go away then.
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Antago ? Perhaps ?

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