Gary - A Wilde Story
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Since: Mar 07

Sterling Heights, MI

#1 Jul 28, 2008
In 1998 Gary talked about having gotten in an accident that scared him so much that he
changed the roads that he drove and the days that he did it. He said it was north where it
happened, that he got in an accident with a girl in front of witnesses and later called her,
returned and killed her. Here`s the girl and her story fits just like Gary told it. How far is
it from Maysville WI to Ypsilanti or Novi MI and back again? Is it about 900 miles?
It was September 1998 and it was Gary`s favorite day, you guessed it, Wednesday.
Gary was riding high. They talked about his exploits often about the Jonbenet Ramsey
murder and in 1997 he had just begun his newest exploit, the college boy Smiley Face
Killings along U.S. 94. He was hunting kids, adults, any one he saw that was unwatched and was traveling as usual too fast.
She was only 19 and two months pregnant and he couldn`t stop and she hit her
head on the dash when his truck lightly hit her car. It was still driveable, but he had a
body in the truck and he was freaking. He`d been following that route since 1976 and
61% of those missing,11/18 went missing on wed/sun/holidays., 6 on WED, 3 on SUN
and 2 on Holidays. After the accident he called her up to discuss insurance and she was
never seen again. A week later her car was found with about 900 extra miles than should
have been on the Odometer. Wonder if she`s in the Ypsilanti mass graveyards?
From then on things changed, Gary grabbed people less often on WED and
switched his main route from 94 to U.S. 80. He would reserve us 94 for the Winter time
grabbing college boys. From 1998 to 2006 20/32 would go missing on WED and SUN
and Holidays in Iowa alone. That`s 63% of the missing on those days. 6 WED 10 SUN
and 4 Holidays and because he was following 80 he went through Colorado more often
From the beginning of 1999 through the end of 2003 11/ 17 went missing
wed/sun/holidays 6 wed/4 sun/1 holiday, that 65%.
Briefly stated most people don`t disappear on tues or WED, those who disappear
on other days are usually found, but those who disappear on WED usually never come
back. There`s only one reason. His name is Gary.

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Since: Mar 07

Sterling Heights, MI

#2 Jul 28, 2008

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Since: Mar 07

Sterling Heights, MI

#4 Jul 28, 2008
Her parents house was in Maysville, but she lived and went to college in Green Bay WI. The distance from Green Bay WI to Novi MI, Ypsilanti area MI where Gary says mass graveyard is -450 to 470 miles one way. Cops claim that there are 900 or so too many miles on her odometer.

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Since: Mar 07

Sterling Heights, MI

#5 Jul 28, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
Do you really think the people here believe Gary exist?
The Michigan State Police know that Gary exists, the Oakland County Child Killer Investigators know that Gary exists, they didn`t subpoena me about Tim Kings murder for nothing. Gary`s own sister turned him in. Kdogg who ran OCCK and Cold Serial verified that and what Gary said about killing Pervinkler New Years day 1976, that the gun was found 40 feet from his body.-Cynbenet, stop acting like a 5 year old, it`s not helping this. Gary`s a serial killer. This is for real- no B.S.

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Since: Mar 07

Sterling Heights, MI

#7 Jul 28, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
Well why didn't he kill me when we had sex? I even fed him. I gave him some chocolate crum cake (LOL HAHAHA) he said it was delicious.
Undoubtedly you`re single or your boy friend is deaf. No one could listen to you for long and remain sane.

Since: Mar 07

Sterling Heights, MI

#9 Jul 28, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
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I'm actually about to get married on August 15...
Like I said. He has to be deaf or insane. Since he`s marrying you insane has it. When did you change the date? Last time you said it was April Fools Day. Let me know for sure, I`ll get him some ear plugs.

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Since: Mar 07

Sterling Heights, MI

#11 Jul 28, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
What??? HAHAHA!! You're silly! Gary is going to be JEALOUS when he finds out that I'm getting married!
Yah. Gary likes the Grand Canyon and Lake Victoria too because he likes Big Holes.

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Since: Mar 07

Sterling Heights, MI

#12 Jul 28, 2008
I feel sorry for your husband. If he did have enough money to afford a cork that large he`d have to decide between putting it in your mouth or...

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Since: Mar 07

Brea, CA

#14 Aug 13, 2008
Well Cynbenet it`s Aug 13, you said that you`re getting married the 15th. Let`s see what a nice set of ear plugs cost, since you ruined my thread.

Gary claimed that the first mass graveyard was in Ypsilanti MI one mile from BERRY and I was riding with him once and he wanted to stop. I didn`t know that area at all but since then I`ve gotten the Internet and using the map features I see that the 1st mass graveyard must be on Gotfredson road in Ypsilanti just north of Goddess road on the east side of the road, the 2nd mass graveyard being on Gotfredson just north of Ford road, also on the east side. Paul was teamed with Gary in the mid 1980`s and then Paul moved to Traverse City MI. Gary went out west in 1992 and when he returned in 1995 Paul`s friends had the property at Ford road, so he said that he returned to the 1st graveyard. The first one would be where the Wilde girl would be buried. Being as Bible was in 1999 and in OK, Bible and Freeman would most likely be in his CA mass graveyard which he claimed is in the area near Big Bear a couple miles from Wright Mine. He also spoke briefly about a small one in Montana and others in various places. Being that he`s regularly working on Cruise ships in FL on and off, those bodies recently found in FL could easily be Gary`s.

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Shill

Sherman Oaks, CA

#16 Aug 13, 2008
How do you know Gary and why are you hanging with him if he is known to be a mass murderer to you?

Since: Mar 07

Brea, CA

#17 Aug 13, 2008
Shill wrote:
How do you know Gary and why are you hanging with him if he is known to be a mass murderer to you?
Gary often visited my brother when I first came to Detroit. Gary owned one of the cars used in the MI OCCK case, the Lemans, read about it. I owned the 1967 Tempest and Gary secretly bought it after it was repainted with house paint, then he knocked over the house paint on Jill Robinsons bike and left it at the scene. That`s why police were questioning a house painter as a suspect. Gary`s 1973 Lemans has a 1972 frame and got stuck in the snow when he was dumping kristine Mihelich`s body.---Google Dagner Pontiac, get up to speed and I`ll tell you the rest. None of these other idjuts seem to understand. Since you know about OCCK, if you read that article on her site, you should be able to understand.

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Since: Mar 07

Brea, CA

#18 Aug 14, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
Well why didn't he kill me when we had sex? I even fed him. I gave him some chocolate crum cake (LOL HAHAHA) he said it was delicious.
Yes Gary did mention sex with you. He said YOU WERE CHOCOLATE and it was CRUMY.

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Shill

Sherman Oaks, CA

#19 Aug 14, 2008
How come Gary didn't kill himself after having sex with Cyn-Benet?
CandyO

Portage, IN

#20 Aug 14, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Gary often visited my brother when I first came to Detroit. Gary owned one of the cars used in the MI OCCK case, the Lemans, read about it. I owned the 1967 Tempest and Gary secretly bought it after it was repainted with house paint, then he knocked over the house paint on Jill Robinsons bike and left it at the scene. That`s why police were questioning a house painter as a suspect. Gary`s 1973 Lemans has a 1972 frame and got stuck in the snow when he was dumping kristine Mihelich`s body.---Google Dagner Pontiac, get up to speed and I`ll tell you the rest. None of these other idjuts seem to understand. Since you know about OCCK, if you read that article on her site, you should be able to understand.
Detroit- Come on. The Lemans in question is as definite as the blue Gremlin was. There is no evidence that any of these cars are THE cars used in the abduction, murders and drops. You are using speculation as proof for your story. Also, there is no certainty that there was any paint on Jill's bike or if so, how much. It could have been the tiniest of speckles - like over spray. You don't know absolutely and neither do I.

As for your graveyards...do you mean Gotfredson and Geddes Rd? You said Goddess and I know of no Goddess Road in that area. Have you been by there recently? There are sprawling developments being built all over...perhaps these graveyards will soon be plowed over.

Since: Mar 07

Flint, MI

#21 Aug 14, 2008
CandyO wrote:
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Detroit- Come on. The Lemans in question is as definite as the blue Gremlin was. There is no evidence that any of these cars are THE cars used in the abduction, murders and drops. You are using speculation as proof for your story. Also, there is no certainty that there was any paint on Jill's bike or if so, how much. It could have been the tiniest of speckles - like over spray. You don't know absolutely and neither do I.
As for your graveyards...do you mean Gotfredson and Geddes Rd? You said Goddess and I know of no Goddess Road in that area. Have you been by there recently? There are sprawling developments being built all over...perhaps these graveyards will soon be plowed over.
Gary owned a Lemans which matched the year sought in the killings and police found a photo of it when they searched his house and asked me all kinds of questions about did Gary`s buddy Saad ever wear all black. That was after the 2nd Boulder girls attacker had been wearing all black. Gary claimed in 1976 to have been visiting Saad`s sisters house and one got away. Terri Tom was 11 and escaped being grabbed and she talked about Saad`s sister living by her and even sent me a photo of Paula`s husband. When I asked where this happened Gary pointed at his Marlboro`s. This happened on Marlborough street. Saad often covered for Gary when Gary was out looking and I believe that he rents Gary`s house.
When KJ repaired my Tempest my and repainted it Gary secretly bought it. The car was painted with light blue HOUSE paint and the leftover paint Gary knocked over trying to put Jill Robinson`s bike in the trunk then left it at the scene. At the time Gary borrowed my brothers shotgun and claimed to have shot the ground only. Jill was shot with a shotgun. When Gary dumped Kristine`s body he talked about getting stuck in the snow. From pictures taken at the scene GM calculated the car to be a 1971-72 Lemans. Gary owned a 1973 LEMANS with a 1972 frame. The Lemans according to witnesses had damage to the left rear trunk area. Gary had been driven off Grand River by a Fire Truck taking a shortcut going the wrong way on the road which forced him off the road and he slid sideways into a fire plug suffering damage to the left rear trunk and bumper area of the Lemans. Gary even bragged about killing Jane and that he carbon monoxided her in the trunk of his white Monte Carlo. I saw that his trunk hinges were sprung and there were pry marks on the inside of his trunk and jack handle marks from the inside out where someone had been in the trunk and tried to escape. At the time Gary talked about a late night trip to Ohio. Since I`ve gotten the Internet I see that Jane Allen was dumped in Ohio after being carbon monoxided. The Fire Department even came to Gary`s mothers house when smoke was billowing under the garage door and he arrived back home just in time to stop them breaking down the garage door.---Everything matches Gary as the killer. Zodiac`s name was arthur leigh ALLEN. Gary killed Jane ALLEN and left the VCR tape of the Santa Clause starring tim ALLEN at the murder of Helgoth on Valentines Day.--Gary thinks that he`s Zodiac and even left excerpts of Dirty Harry the Zodiac remake in the Jonbenet Ramsey Ransom Note.

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Rodney

Ashland, KY

#22 Aug 14, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> At the time Gary talked about a late night trip to Ohio.
Oh, was that the Ranelle Drive, Columbus, OH and back in '92? That's when my stalking letters started and the return address on the envelope. However, the postmark was London, KY.
Rodney

Ashland, KY

#23 Aug 14, 2008
Rodney wrote:
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Oh, was that the Ranelle Drive, Columbus, OH and back in '92? That's when my stalking letters started and the return address on the envelope. However, the postmark was London, KY.
Correction:
"was that the" = was that to

Since: Mar 07

Brea, CA

#25 Aug 14, 2008
Cyn-Benet wrote:
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Yea I'm caramel colored but I taste like chocolate...and Gary lied to you because I'm not crumy but CREAMY instead!
First you thought you were a chocolate crum cake. Now you think you`re a Milky Way!!!
CandyO

Portage, IN

#27 Aug 14, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Gary owned a Lemans which matched the year sought in the killings and police found a photo of it when they searched his house and asked me all kinds of questions about did Gary`s buddy Saad ever wear all black. That was after the 2nd Boulder girls attacker had been wearing all black. Gary claimed in 1976 to have been visiting Saad`s sisters house and one got away. Terri Tom was 11 and escaped being grabbed and she talked about Saad`s sister living by her and even sent me a photo of Paula`s husband. When I asked where this happened Gary pointed at his Marlboro`s. This happened on Marlborough street. Saad often covered for Gary when Gary was out looking and I believe that he rents Gary`s house.
When KJ repaired my Tempest my and repainted it Gary secretly bought it. The car was painted with light blue HOUSE paint and the leftover paint Gary knocked over trying to put Jill Robinson`s bike in the trunk then left it at the scene. At the time Gary borrowed my brothers shotgun and claimed to have shot the ground only. Jill was shot with a shotgun. When Gary dumped Kristine`s body he talked about getting stuck in the snow. From pictures taken at the scene GM calculated the car to be a 1971-72 Lemans. Gary owned a 1973 LEMANS with a 1972 frame. The Lemans according to witnesses had damage to the left rear trunk area. Gary had been driven off Grand River by a Fire Truck taking a shortcut going the wrong way on the road which forced him off the road and he slid sideways into a fire plug suffering damage to the left rear trunk and bumper area of the Lemans. Gary even bragged about killing Jane and that he carbon monoxided her in the trunk of his white Monte Carlo. I saw that his trunk hinges were sprung and there were pry marks on the inside of his trunk and jack handle marks from the inside out where someone had been in the trunk and tried to escape. At the time Gary talked about a late night trip to Ohio. Since I`ve gotten the Internet I see that Jane Allen was dumped in Ohio after being carbon monoxided. The Fire Department even came to Gary`s mothers house when smoke was billowing under the garage door and he arrived back home just in time to stop them breaking down the garage door.---Everything matches Gary as the killer. Zodiac`s name was arthur leigh ALLEN. Gary killed Jane ALLEN and left the VCR tape of the Santa Clause starring tim ALLEN at the murder of Helgoth on Valentines Day.--Gary thinks that he`s Zodiac and even left excerpts of Dirty Harry the Zodiac remake in the Jonbenet Ramsey Ransom Note.
I have heard that whole story ( sometimes with changes and sometimes not) and I still don't get why you didn't go to police as soon as Gary pointed to his smokes.

Further we can play 6 degrees of seperation all you want. How about this...Tim Allen went to school in Birmingham so that ties Jane Allen to "The Santa Clause" to the OCCK.

Since: Mar 07

Brea, CA

#28 Aug 14, 2008
CandyO wrote:
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I have heard that whole story ( sometimes with changes and sometimes not) and I still don't get why you didn't go to police as soon as Gary pointed to his smokes.
Further we can play 6 degrees of seperation all you want. How about this...Tim Allen went to school in Birmingham so that ties Jane Allen to "The Santa Clause" to the OCCK.
If I should`ve done something then I must be telling the truth. The point is you have to decide if you think that I`m telling you the truth. I`ve told you how the house paint got on Jill`s bike, I`ve told you that after Christmas 1996 that Gary offered me a pack of girls underwear with one missing, I`ve told you about Gary putting the rope in the brown bag in my brothers shed and the same rope and brown bag being at Jonbenet`s murder, I`ve told you how before Jonbenet`s murder that Gary slept on her bed in Charlevoix and left a small suitcase and cowboy boots. Gary told me when he did it, long before I ever read about it on this forum.

The question that you need to ask yourself is not when or if I should have called the police, it`s not if you think Gary is the OCCK killer. You need to ask yourself, Is Dan telling the truth. IF you think that I am then don`t fight against me. Certainly you can see that what I say makes sense and fits together.

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