Lou Smit's Reasons
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Georgina

Atlanta, GA

#1 Feb 22, 2014
I have read a ton of stuff on JonBenet but can someone tell me what Lou Smit's reasons were for suspecting an intruder? I mean, where can I read a discussion of reasons? Not someone yelling at me.
Just Wondering

Hockessin, DE

#2 Feb 22, 2014
Georgina wrote:
I have read a ton of stuff on JonBenet but can someone tell me what Lou Smit's reasons were for suspecting an intruder? I mean, where can I read a discussion of reasons? Not someone yelling at me.
Can't help with a link. I do know however that Lou was as self-described a Christian. After interviewing John Ramsey, his initial conclusion was that John was being upfront and not lying about the crime. So, it was my impression that he more or less went with his instinct and fit the crime to his belief in the innocence of John and the family's profession in their belief in Christ as their Savior. I do believe Kolar addressed that in his book, Foreign Faction.

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#3 Feb 22, 2014
Smit from Steve Thomas's perspective: "Three days later at a detective briefing, Smit made his first appearance, greeting us all and taking a seat along the west wall. We went around the table to update our findings. Finally it was his turn. He had been around only about seventy-two hours, not anywhere near long enough to devour the case material, but we hoped he might have some initial insights. He did.

Lou shifted the toothpick to a corner of his mouth, and his eyes twinkled with the excitement of a good bird dog on point. He said,'I don't think it was the Ramseys.'

He never budged from that position."

From there it would just be a matter of Smit's marshalling factoids to confirm his initial bias. And I think he said that he thought Patsy was a loving mother and wouldn't have committed a crime like that.

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#4 Feb 22, 2014
Georgina, I'd recommend that you read _JonBenet_ by Steve Thomas. Thomas both respects and disagrees with Lou Smit so it's not a bad introduction to Smit's thinking.
real Topaz

AOL

#5 Feb 22, 2014
Fr_Brown wrote:
Smit from Steve Thomas's perspective: "Three days later at a detective briefing, Smit made his first appearance, greeting us all and taking a seat along the west wall. We went around the table to update our findings. Finally it was his turn. He had been around only about seventy-two hours, not anywhere near long enough to devour the case material, but we hoped he might have some initial insights. He did.
Lou shifted the toothpick to a corner of his mouth, and his eyes twinkled with the excitement of a good bird dog on point. He said,'I don't think it was the Ramseys.'
He never budged from that position."
From there it would just be a matter of Smit's marshalling factoids to confirm his initial bias. And I think he said that he thought Patsy was a loving mother and wouldn't have committed a crime like that.
yeah, smit asked John "did you do it?" and John said "no" and smit said "swear to God?" and there's your uncle Bob! What an interrogation! Every police dept. can learn from Smit's 'expertise' LOL swear to God and you're home free;)

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#7 Mar 10, 2014
Georgina wrote:
I have read a ton of stuff on JonBenet but can someone tell me what Lou Smit's reasons were for suspecting an intruder? I mean, where can I read a discussion of reasons? Not someone yelling at me.


Google "standing in her shoes" "Todd Hartman" Read the version that pops up associated with Rocky Mountain News. It has Smit's arguments and rebuttals to them.
Sarah

Brisbane, Australia

#8 Apr 4, 2016
Hi Georgina there is a documentary by Lou smit that really opened my eyes about the intruder theory even more , he shows in video evidence and his reasoning behind his thoughts on why it was an intruder responsible and not the ramseys

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1xanjr_
Ruby

Las Vegas, NV

#12 Apr 4, 2016
Thanks for the link!
Ruby

United States

#13 Apr 4, 2016
Fr_Brown wrote:
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Google "standing in her shoes" "Todd Hartman" Read the version that pops up associated with Rocky Mountain News. It has Smit's arguments and rebuttals to them.
Thanks!
https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-74203213.htm...
jameson245

Hickory, NC

#14 Apr 5, 2016
Kirk Mitchell wrote in the Denver post:

"A thorough investigation did not uncover allegations of past abuse. An autopsy determined that there was no evidence of long-term sexual abuse, Smit said.

“There was not one instance of physical or sexual abuse,” he said.“You just don’t turn into something overnight. Usually you have some inkling. John would call his kids when he was on the road. His ex-wife said he was a good father.""

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...the evidence on her body indicates JonBenét was tortured by a sexual sadist while she was struggling and still alive. There was a mark on her finger indicating she was struggling with the binding while she was still alive.

“It must have been terrifying. You don’t get a mark like that if it was staging after death,” Smit said.“All her injuries were while she was alive.”

The last injury JonBenét received was the blow to her head, he said. A baseball bat was found. Ramseys said it wasn’t their bat.

“That was a very heavy blow,” Smit said.

That contradicted the staging theory.

Smit said there was a recent shoe print left in the dust of the room with a concrete floor where JonBenét was found that hasn’t been matched to anyone else.

Smit said he believes the killer or killers entered the Ramsey home, wrote the ransom note with the intention of taking JonBenét out of the house and when efforts to get the girl out of the house failed, abandoned the plan and fled the home.

“He is definitely a stone cold psychotic killer,” he said.
sheriffwydell

Rutland, VT

#15 Apr 5, 2016
jameson245 wrote:
Kirk Mitchell wrote in the Denver post:
"A thorough investigation did not uncover allegations of past abuse. An autopsy determined that there was no evidence of long-term sexual abuse, Smit said.
“There was not one instance of physical or sexual abuse,” he said.“You just don’t turn into something overnight. Usually you have some inkling. John would call his kids when he was on the road. His ex-wife said he was a good father.""
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...the evidence on her body indicates JonBenét was tortured by a sexual sadist while she was struggling and still alive. There was a mark on her finger indicating she was struggling with the binding while she was still alive.
“It must have been terrifying. You don’t get a mark like that if it was staging after death,” Smit said.“All her injuries were while she was alive.”
The last injury JonBenét received was the blow to her head, he said. A baseball bat was found. Ramseys said it wasn’t their bat.
“That was a very heavy blow,” Smit said.
That contradicted the staging theory.
Smit said there was a recent shoe print left in the dust of the room with a concrete floor where JonBenét was found that hasn’t been matched to anyone else.
Smit said he believes the killer or killers entered the Ramsey home, wrote the ransom note with the intention of taking JonBenét out of the house and when efforts to get the girl out of the house failed, abandoned the plan and fled the home.
“He is definitely a stone cold psychotic killer,” he said.
Thanks for proving what a fool he was. And that you are, for going along with him!

I forget who it was (sorry, whoever you are), but someone here recently said that you can't have it both ways: you couldn't believe Smit had been a great investigator previously and think he was a fool on this case. That's not an exact quote, but to that effect. Hey, I'm cool with that idea! If his conduct on this case was typical, Clouseau would be offended!
Ruby

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Apr 6, 2016
"Blue Lou"

Just read Lou Smit's blue line theory of a stun gun. A Blue line was visible on the nape of the victim's neck.

“BORG”

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#17 Apr 6, 2016
Ruby wrote:
"Blue Lou"
Just read Lou Smit's blue line theory of a stun gun. A Blue line was visible on the nape of the victim's neck.
It was her blood vein.

Since: May 13

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#18 Apr 6, 2016
Ruby wrote:
"Blue Lou"
Just read Lou Smit's blue line theory of a stun gun. A Blue line was visible on the nape of the victim's neck.
From 'The Daily Camera'(May 2, 2001):

Air Taser representative Stephen Tuttle said he was contacted by an investigator early on in the case and provided Smit with the same model to conduct his experiments.

"I am bewildered. I don't know what to think about the theory," Tuttle said. "It defies the logic of what the weapon does."

Tuttle conceded that two marks are close to the width of the contacts of an Air Taser, but said that's where the similarities end.

"We have never seen those types of marks when you touch somebody with a stun gun," he said. "We are talking hundreds of people that have been touched with these devices. I can't replicate those marks."

Tuttle said it is uncommon for the stun gun to leave only two marks on the skin. The body moves away from the stun gun, causing multiple, erratic marks.

"How you can keep this thing perfectly still, not once, but twice on a squirming child? It doesn't make any sense," he said. "I hope that doesn't throw water on somebody's investigation."

He also said the Air Taser does not render people unconscious.

Nebraska Dr. Robert Stratbucker, who has conducted several experiments on stun guns and is considered a courtroom expert, said he takes "considerable issue" with Smit's stun gun theory.

***Stratbucker said it is "pure nonsense" that the stun gun would leave a blue mark in between red marks on the skin as Smit claimed.***

***"I have not seen ever, ever any blue marks, and I don't know what the cause of any blue mark could be," he said.***

http://tinyurl.com/StunGunBS
Ruby

United States

#22 Apr 7, 2016
gotgum wrote:
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From 'The Daily Camera'(May 2, 2001):
(Snip)
***Stratbucker said it is "pure nonsense" that the stun gun would leave a blue mark in between red marks on the skin as Smit claimed.***
***"I have not seen ever, ever any blue marks, and I don't know what the cause of any blue mark could be," he said.***
http://tinyurl.com/StunGunBS
Blue marks vs red marks
Ruby

United States

#23 Apr 7, 2016
1. Do the marks vary in color with pigmentation?

2. Does the redness of the marks deepen over time (i.e. bluish)

3. Do the marks turn blue postmortem?

4. Have stun gun marks been evaluated on subjects that are deceased or during the stages of rigor mortis?

#blue #red

“BORG”

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#24 Apr 7, 2016
MarkBeckner[S] 20 points 2 days ago
Stun gun - no. The coroner and others who looked at the abrasion did not believe it came from a stun gun. The distance between the two marks did not match the probes of any stun gun we found. Stun guns are loud and hurt like crazy - which would have probably elicited some screaming. That probably would have woke someone up.
DA involvement in this case was inappropriate. They interfered in the investigation by being roadblocks to getting things done. They did not want to do a grand jury until forced too. We never allowed the DA to get that involved in a case again. Today, the new DA is great to work with and the police and DA's office work as a team.

from Mark Beckner's AMA on Reddit

“BORG”

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#26 Apr 7, 2016
Additionally, Lou Smit claimed on the show that the blue vein showing between the marks on JonBenét was a product of the blue arc produced by the stun gun when discharged. Apparently Mr. Smit failed his high school electronics class, or he would have known that the color of an electrical arc has nothing to do with the burn you get from it. The arc from an Air Taser stun gun could no more leave a blue line than a lightening bolt could turn a person blue if they were struck by it. Welders who expose their skin to the intense blue arc produced by arc welding get a typical red sunburn, they don't turn into blue smurfs--nor would their finger turn blue if they were stupid enough to touch the arc.(And where are the blue lines on your pig tests, Lou? Didn't the fact that they weren't reproduced on the pig tell you anything?) UPDATE 7/18/03 - On the MSNBC Dan Abrams Show last night, Michael Kane (the special prosecutor brought in to handle the Ramsey case) commented for the first time in public about the stun gun myth: KANE: The thing about the stun gun that everybody keeps coming back to. There was one person who was qualified who actually looked at that little girl’s body on the autopsy table and that was Dr. Meyer, who’s a forensic pathologist. He looked at those very marks and said that they were abrasions. It is a quantum leap-you can take a stun gun and put it up against somebody’s body...and it’s going to leave a burn. It dosen't leave an abrasion. So all these other opinions that have come out that said that this was a stun gun, there is absolutely no way they would ever get into evidence because there is no evidence that these were burns. ABRAMS: But,... there were other experts like Mr. Doberson and others and Lou Smit who have said they absolutely believe that there was a stun gun used. KANE: But they’re basing that based on photographs of marks on her body. When the uncontradicted evidence of Dr. Meyer is that these were not burns.
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Ruby

United States

#27 Apr 7, 2016
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#28 Apr 7, 2016
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