Lou Smit Untruths
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The Truth Hurts

Rochester, MI

#1 Nov 24, 2011
Let's start with this:

May 28, 2001 Larry King Live Interview Lou Smit

Larry King: A window. Was that window open when they investigated it?

Lou Smit: Yes. When John Ramsey had first seen the window...

Larry King: There we see a window. That's the window, right?

Lou Smit: That's the window. Now, again, that picture that you see is the first photograph taken of that window after the crime scene technicians got back into the house. Now, later on, I believe that it was noted that this window may have been opened even by John Ramsey and Fleet White. But what that window did show us, when we first seen it, was that entry could have been made there. There was a scuff mark down the wall. There was leaves and debris on the floor, directly below that open window.

And when we looked at photographs of the window well that leads into that window, we've also seen signs of recent disturbance. THERE IS ALSO FOLIAGE UNDER THE GRATE THAT COVERS THIS WINDOW WELL, WHICH WOULD INDICATE THAT SOMEONE MAY HAVE OPENED AND SHUT THE GRATE. There is also disturbance on the windowsill of the middle window only, not the other two windows.

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16 LOU SMIT: I'll start off first with these.
17 These are photographs that were taken on the 30th
18 of December. And this is a series of photographs,
19 like I mentioned 418 through 425.
20 JOHN RAMSEY: I was really (INAUDIBLE) the
21 ivy is under the grate.
22 LOU SMIT: And what does that signify to
23 you?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: That it had been moved fairly
25 recently. I would have expected that the ivy to be
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1 dead. It was (INAUDIBLE) like that
2 LOU SMIT:(INAUDIBLE) because we had seen
3 that also. And I don't want to mislead you.
4 Because, obviously all of us have seen that. And
5 at first we didn't know exactly why that was. But
6 we think a perhaps an officer may have moved that
7 grate. So I just wanted you to know that. Because
8 it's very easy to make the conclusion that it was
9 done.
10 But we have had some real discussion on this and I
11 DID FIND OUT THAT AN OFFICER HAD MOVED THAT GRATE.
12 I usually don't tell you whether we know about
13 that. But otherwise that's misleading.
14 But that's the same grate in the same area then?

Was this a lie or just one indication that Smit should have stayed retired because he was "losing it?"

Whatever the reason, he was supplying false information to the media to support his cause (the Ramseys innocence.)

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The Truth Hurts

Rochester, MI

#2 Nov 24, 2011
Sorry about the double threads. It took a while to show up.

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#3 Nov 25, 2011
I think Smit made a fool of himself with some of his statements and his contradictions of his prior statements

Unfortunately, in his efforts to make sure the Ramseys appeared innocent, he followed the lead of an internet poster, who fed him misinformation and put ideas in his head that just didn't happen or exist and ran with it.

It was really a prime example of unprofessionalism. It showed a total lack of objectivity and bias

He and John and Tracey, et al followed the JMK thing for four years according to John and nobody was wise enough to see through that nonsense. In four years, he could have been investigated without JMK's knowledge and could have been dismissed once they realized that he was just a wannabee and a very disturbed individual

BUT...he was good for some publicity that was favorable to the Ramseys and Tracey also made a name for himself; unfortunately for him, not the name he wanted, as well as Smit, who once again, got so much praise and thanks when they arrested Karr and never took the blame when he ended up cleared.

Smit may have had a good career but he should never have come out of retirement. He sullied his own good name
Biz

New Port Richey, FL

#4 Nov 25, 2011
Lou had no "effort to make sure the Ramseys appeared innocent". I don't believe that he is swayed by any internet poster either. Lou will listen and form his own opinion. He believed the Ramseys were innocent. If the evidence lead to them he would have pursued it like blood hound. He was not being paid by the Ramseys. He had no alliegence to them. He had compassion for people whom he felt were being unfairly targeted in the investigation when the evidence led elsewhere.

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#5 Nov 25, 2011
I never thought he was "paid" by the Ramseys. For reasons that we can only speculate about, and IMO he felt a kinship with the Ramseys, he believed them innocent, and needed to convey that as much as he could

As far as internet posters go, you are incorrect. He has over the years, in many cases ver batim, repeated what Jams had posted on her forum and has said. Considering that it was a double edged sword that she bragged about her conversations with him, to have him repeat some of those things in interviews ver batim, showed a lack of professionalism and that doesn't even include the things he was just plain wrong about

The electrical blue "arc" that was nothing more than a vein comes to mind as a standout

Making excuses for him only makes him look worse

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#6 Nov 25, 2011
Biz wrote:
Lou had no "effort to make sure the Ramseys appeared innocent". I don't believe that he is swayed by any internet poster either. Lou will listen and form his own opinion. He believed the Ramseys were innocent. If the evidence lead to them he would have pursued it like blood hound. He was not being paid by the Ramseys. He had no alliegence to them. He had compassion for people whom he felt were being unfairly targeted in the investigation when the evidence led elsewhere.
Give me a break, he had to invent stuff in his attempts to make them look innocent.
The Truth Hurts

Waterford, MI

#7 Nov 25, 2011
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Give me a break, he had to invent stuff in his attempts to make them look innocent.
There is a duplicate thread that has more of his distortions of the evidence.
I will bump it.
I knew certain people could not look at Smits "errors" objectively. I find many things he said and did questionable and was hoping for some intelligent discussion from both sides. How foolish of me.
TerryB

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Nov 25, 2011
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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There is a duplicate thread that has more of his distortions of the evidence.
I will bump it.
I knew certain people could not look at Smits "errors" objectively. I find many things he said and did questionable and was hoping for some intelligent discussion from both sides. How foolish of me.
I'll play devils advocate on this and say that maybe what we see is only one half of the good cop-bad cop routine? Perhaps there were things about the Ramsey's that didn't sit well with Lou Smit but he continued to play it like he was the Ramsey's friend. Kinda like the old saying: "Keep you friends close and your enemies even closer." Just a guess.

I think the JMK thing baited LE and they had no choice but to play it the way they did. I know that's debatable too.

Should this conversation be in the other duplicate thread?

Since: May 11

AOL

#9 Nov 25, 2011
Capricorn wrote:
I never thought he was "paid" by the Ramseys. For reasons that we can only speculate about, and IMO he felt a kinship with the Ramseys, he believed them innocent, and needed to convey that as much as he could
As far as internet posters go, you are incorrect. He has over the years, in many cases ver batim, repeated what Jams had posted on her forum and has said. Considering that it was a double edged sword that she bragged about her conversations with him, to have him repeat some of those things in interviews ver batim, showed a lack of professionalism and that doesn't even include the things he was just plain wrong about
The electrical blue "arc" that was nothing more than a vein comes to mind as a standout
Making excuses for him only makes him look worse
I think he was paid in strokes. I think the Ramsey's manipulated him when they 'happened' upon him in front of the Hellhole and they all climbed in his van and prayed. They stroked his ego and mirrored him in a way that he saw them as his 'kind' and his kind would never kill a child. I think the Ramseys were responsible for putting his so-called 'Fox' persona in the media because in reality, he did not solve "hundreds" of cases. They fed his ego and he ate it up! He could hardly look objectively at the two people who made him feel so good about himself.

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#10 Nov 25, 2011
realTopaz wrote:
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I think he was paid in strokes. I think the Ramsey's manipulated him when they 'happened' upon him in front of the Hellhole and they all climbed in his van and prayed. They stroked his ego and mirrored him in a way that he saw them as his 'kind' and his kind would never kill a child. I think the Ramseys were responsible for putting his so-called 'Fox' persona in the media because in reality, he did not solve "hundreds" of cases. They fed his ego and he ate it up! He could hardly look objectively at the two people who made him feel so good about himself.
I think you are right on the money with this summary of Smit. I think his ego was stroked by everyone and at that time, with everyone singing his praises and being the lone wolf so to speak, he enjoyed that.

I agree that with everyone telling him how wonderful he was, he forgot that he could get it wrong and didn't want to know that he was wrong, which is even worse. When he WAS wrong, he never retracted a statement, or admitted it. When he couldn't explain something it became a "puzzler" or a "bugaboo". Instead of stating that it was incriminating, everything that was incriminating became a mystery.

If his career was as stellar as they would have us believe, he trashed it in one case; this one

Since: May 11

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#11 Nov 25, 2011
Capricorn wrote:
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I think you are right on the money with this summary of Smit. I think his ego was stroked by everyone and at that time, with everyone singing his praises and being the lone wolf so to speak, he enjoyed that.
I agree that with everyone telling him how wonderful he was, he forgot that he could get it wrong and didn't want to know that he was wrong, which is even worse. When he WAS wrong, he never retracted a statement, or admitted it. When he couldn't explain something it became a "puzzler" or a "bugaboo". Instead of stating that it was incriminating, everything that was incriminating became a mystery.
If his career was as stellar as they would have us believe, he trashed it in one case; this one
Amen Cap!(Hope you had a great tday:))

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Since: Nov 06

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#12 Nov 25, 2011
realTopaz wrote:
<quoted text>
I think he was paid in strokes. I think the Ramsey's manipulated him when they 'happened' upon him in front of the Hellhole and they all climbed in his van and prayed. They stroked his ego and mirrored him in a way that he saw them as his 'kind' and his kind would never kill a child. I think the Ramseys were responsible for putting his so-called 'Fox' persona in the media because in reality, he did not solve "hundreds" of cases. They fed his ego and he ate it up! He could hardly look objectively at the two people who made him feel so good about himself.
Excellent summation to be sure, and you probably hit the nail squarely on the head!

Since: Mar 07

Detroit, MI

#14 Nov 25, 2011
Otterpopps wrote:
Very informative thread. Thanks for posting this. BTW, isn't Lou Smit dead?? Biz wrote "Lou will listen and form his own opinion."----it seems he is referring to someone who is still alive. Was it Smit who died or someone else?
Lou Smit died a couple of months ago.

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#17 Nov 26, 2011
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Lou Smit died a couple of months ago.
Lou Smit died on August 10, 2010.

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#18 Nov 26, 2011
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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Lou Smit died on August 10, 2010.
After a decent career, he left a terrible legacy behind; such a shame that a little girl never received her justice because of an emotional attachment to her family

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#19 Nov 26, 2011
realTopaz wrote:
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Amen Cap!(Hope you had a great tday:))
Sorry RT; I just noticed this

Yes I had a wonderful day. It's my favorite holiday. Lots of work, but well worth it to be with family for a great meal. Hope yours was good too.
deb

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Nov 26, 2011
Capricorn wrote:
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After a decent career, he left a terrible legacy behind; such a shame that a little girl never received her justice because of an emotional attachment to her family
Ridiculous! What is a shame is anyone who would state such a thing about someone who dedicated his life to finding justice.

It is a shame that there are people who do not care about justice, just their own opinion and tell the world they KNOW who killed her and then attempt to disparage those who truely dedicated their lives to find justice instead of just posting on a forum. If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable.

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#21 Nov 26, 2011
Ridiculous! It's no different from the trashing you all do to ST who also wanted justice for a little girl, hypocrite

It's also no different from those who don't care about anything but their own opinion and tell the world who DIDN'T kill her as if they KNOW

If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable

There are posters who refuse to consider the Ramseys as possibilities which is really a slap in the face to JBR

ABAR at all costs
Biz

New Port Richey, FL

#22 Nov 26, 2011
Not true Cappie. The evidence to support an intruder is overwhelming. Even Beckner now admits they are "waiting for a DNA match".
The IDI's follow the EVIDENCE, not a family attachment. What you RDI's have done to this family is just a travesty. Not only did they endure the most heinous crime on earth but then to be publicly accused even after they are exonerated is just dispicable.

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#23 Nov 26, 2011
Biz wrote:
Not true Cappie. The evidence to support an intruder is overwhelming. Even Beckner now admits they are "waiting for a DNA match".
The IDI's follow the EVIDENCE, not a family attachment. What you RDI's have done to this family is just a travesty. Not only did they endure the most heinous crime on earth but then to be publicly accused even after they are exonerated is just dispicable.
Not true biz

The evidence is not overwhelming, especially since most of it isn't even "evidence". The stun gun has never been proven. EVERYONE is waiting to see if there is a DNA match and there is no way of knowing it is from the killer

The DNA (degraded) under her nails could match millions of people. I'm not going to go into the DNA again as it has been done to death

As far as what has been done to the Ramseys; they were the only ones known to have been in the house, there is much reason to suspect them.

Travesty? Exonerated? FW was exonerated. JMK was exonerated. Do you feel it is a travesty when they are spoken of as the killer?

Why only the Ramseys? If you feel that way, I would expect you to be doing the same type of posting when posters accuse FW or JMK or anyone else.

Why not biz? Fair question

BTW, it is Smit I refer to when I say he was emotionally attached and he was; there is no doubt there

Unfortunately, it is the RDI and not the ABAR that really follow the evidence. What so many of you tend to do is just dismiss the evidence that is incriminating as non existent and made up instead of trying to explain it

Therein lies the problem. It is what it is and the Ramseys have given themselves over to the public for suspicion based on their own actions and statements

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