Jeffrey MacDonald Is Guilty

Jeffrey MacDonald Is Guilty

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JTF

Since: Jul 08

Ripton, VT

#1 Sep 3, 2008
A 1979 jury convicted Jeffrey MacDonald in less than 7 hours of murdering his wife and two young daughters.

MacDonald has spent 27 of the past 29 years in prison.

At trial, the prosecution presented over 1,000 evidentiary items and that was only about 60 percent of their case file.

Sans speedy trial issues, MacDonald has lost every single appellate decision since 1978.

Every single SOURCED evidentiary item found at the crime scene pointed to MacDonald's guilt. This includes fiber, blood, hair, footprint, and fabric impression evidence.

There was not a single evidentiary item that was SOURCED to a KNOWN intruder suspect.

DNA test results excluded Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell from the crime scene.

A limb hair found clutched in Colette MacDonald's left hand and two body hairs found on bedding items at the crime scene matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/

JTF
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#2 Sep 3, 2008
I think it's a public scandal that an innocent man, Dr MacDonald, has been in prison for the past 27 years.

The 1000 evidentiary items the prosecution presented to the court was garbage. The rest of it must have been legally inadmissible.

MacDonald's appeals, and appellate decisions, were in the hands of the biased, and possibly corrupt, Judge Dupree, whose former son-in-law, Proctor, is suspected of drug running at Fort Bragg.

The other appeals were heard by judges who believed the disgraced former FBI man, Malone, who has since been publicly called a total liar, and Blackburn who was put in prison for fraud for a couple of years on an unrelated case.

Has JTF a scrap of evidence that Helena Stoeckley or Greg Mitchell, were ever DNA tested? They died before DNA testing came into use. I presume JTF means there is some sort of blood of those MacDonald case supects which can still be tested somewhere?

The hair in Colette's hand is highly controversial. The army CID in 1970 said it was unidentified. Fred Kassab reported in his notes, which are on the internet that the FBI said it was Colette's hair. Then the DNA tests in 2006 magically say it was a Dr MacDonald hair. There is something wrong about all that. They can't all be right.

Two body hairs in the bedding items proves nothing. It was Dr MacDonald's bed, and he made no secret of the fact that he desperately tried to revive Colette.

This is what the MacDonald lawyer Bisceglie had to say about it in 1989:

“It demonstrates that Murtagh had concluded pre-trial that the handwritten bench notes were highly exculpatory and would have been material in producing a verdict of acquittal.
The first memorandum in the U.S. Attorney’s prosecution memo, which, in analysing the strengths and weaknesses of both the prosecution and defense cases concluded that unmatched hairs found in Colette MacDonald’s right hand “would aid the defense”. Clearly the discovery in particular of unmatched black wool fibers on Colette’s body and on the wooden club murder weapon, long blond wig hairs, in addition to other unmatched hairs and fibers would have more than merely “aided” the defense; it would have steamrolled the prosecution case.”
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#3 Sep 3, 2008
This is from an article on the internet about how fair the MacDonald trial was :-

"When Murtagh put an Army forensic laboratory technician on the stand, he questioned her only about various blood stains in the house. The prosecutor never revealed that the technician, Janice Glisson, had analyzed hair samples and discovered the presence of synthetic blond wig hairs inside the house, as well as other human head and body hairs that could not be matched to any member of the MacDonald family.

- Instead of calling FBI forensic expert James Frier to testify in the case, Murtagh persuaded defense attorney Segal to waive Frier's appearance, saying the expert would testify only about some uncontroversial fibers from a bedroom throw-rug, according to Segal's affidavit. In order to save time, Segal agreed to waive the chance to cross-examine Frier.

Unknown to the court at the time, Frier had discovered the unexplained black wool fibers on Colette MacDonald's mouth area and arm, as well as on a wooden club used in the murders. Stoeckley has said that she wore black on the night of the murders. Frier's analyses of several other green, brown and white fibers that could not be matched to any items inside the house were never revealed by the prosecution.

- Before the trial began, Murtagh asked a law clerk for a memo which defense lawyers say provides the "smoking gun" of Murtagh's illegal intentions.

In his request, the prosecutor asked law clerk Jeffrey Puretz to research the constitutional requirements for disclosing exculpatory material. Under a case known as Brady v. Maryland, the prosecution is legally bound to turn over to the defense any evidence that might support a defendant's claim of innocence.

Murtagh's second question, in the eyes of his adversaries, was even more revealing. "Need the detailed data of a lab report, as distinguished from the conclusions of the report, be disclosed, where such conclusions have been disclosed and are nonexculpatory?"

Finally, Murtagh asked: "At what point in time must exculpatory materials be disclosed to the defense in a criminal proceeding?"

JTF

Since: Jul 08

Ripton, VT

#4 Sep 3, 2008
Henri: Go take your psychotic rants to another thread. Hopefully, this thread will garner salient posts from serious MacDonald case researchers. This is not a thread for MacDonald groupies. You have your own thread on this forum for that nonsense. I suggest you place your arms in the pretty white jacket and go play at the children's table along with the other advocates for convicted murderer Jeffrey MacDonald.

A 1979 jury convicted Jeffrey MacDonald in less than 7 hours of murdering his wife and two young daughters.

MacDonald has spent 27 of the past 29 years in prison.

At trial, the prosecution presented over 1,000 evidentiary items and that was only about 60 percent of their case file.

Sans speedy trial issues, MacDonald has lost every single appellate decision since 1978.

Every single SOURCED evidentiary item found at the crime scene pointed to MacDonald's guilt. This includes fiber, blood, hair, footprint, and fabric impression evidence.

There was not a single evidentiary item that was SOURCED to a KNOWN intruder suspect.

DNA test results excluded Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell from the crime scene.

A limb hair found clutched in Colette MacDonald's left hand and two body hairs found on bedding items at the crime scene matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/

JTF

OneWhoCares

Charlotte, NC

#5 Sep 3, 2008
Henri McPhee - I can sum this up in just 3 little letters........DNA

MacDonald lied but the DNA did not. Get a clue.
jahazafat

United States

#6 Sep 3, 2008
I don't remember to much about his case other than he was an army doctor and claims to have come home to a horrendous site of his wife and two kids dead in their beds? Reminds of the Darlie Routier case as he also had superficial injuries.

Detectives use lots of common sense and psychology in addition to science in sloving crimes. It's obvious this wasn't a home invasion and to be killed in your own bed is so intimate and personal.

Daddy did it.

JTF

Since: Jul 08

Ripton, VT

#7 Sep 3, 2008
OWC: Welcome to this new thread dedicated to documented fact. There's no sense in attempting to discuss the facts in this case with the weird little group known as the MacDonald camp. You can refer them to case document after case document and they still will insist that MacDonald was some sort of tortured innocent. In regards to the DNA, you are correct in asserting its significance.

1) A limb hair found clutched in Colette MacDonald's left hand matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald. The MacDonald camp has argued for the past decade that since a splinter from the murder club was also found in Colette's left hand, the source of the limb hair was the wielder of the club. Their prediction came true.

2) MacDonald states that he never touched the multi-colored bedspread found rumpled in the master bedroom nor did he get on the bed with Kristen when he "found" her. DNA test results say otherwise. Body hairs that matched MacDonald's DNA profile were found in the multi-colored bedspread and on top of Kristen's bed.

3) The MacDonald camp has argued for the past 28 years that Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell were members of a group or cult that attacked the MacDonald family at 544 Castle Drive. Not a single DNA exhibit matched the DNA profile of Stoeckley and/or Mitchell which basically excluded them from being present at the crime scene.

4) Of the 28 hair exhibits that were DNA tested, only 3 were unsourced. None of the hairs were forcibly removed nor did they match the DNA profile of any known intruder suspect.

5) The MacDonald camp quickly attempted to distance themselves from the significance of the DNA test results by claiming that the limb hair found clutched IN Colette's hand was actually found ON her hand. The documented record says otherwise.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/

JTF
OneWhoCares

Charlotte, NC

#8 Sep 3, 2008
Thank you JTF.

Henri has me laughing so hard - I can hardly type. He says and I quote "Then the DNA tests in 2006 magically say it was a Dr MacDonald hair."

DR? Jeez....I thought MacDonald lost his license to practice years ago. Has it been magically re-instated?
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#9 Sep 4, 2008
I agree that Dr MacDonald might have lost his license to practice years ago when he was wrongly put into prison, which I think is scandalous. I still call him Dr MacDonald.

From what I've read he stil keeps up with the latest medical journals, and he's still a qualified doctor.

The DNA business is a funny business in the MacDonald case. From what I can make out the appeal judges in about 1997 ordered Judge Fox that there should be DNA testing in the MacDonald case. There was then all sorts of unseemly legal wrangles and delays about that.

Dr MacDonald wanted an honest European lab to do the DNA testing, but Judge Fox wouldn't allow that. It had to be American. Dr MacDonald's lawyers wanted all the MacDonald forensic evidence which could be tested to be tested, but Judge Fox would only allow a few items to be tested.

There was then some sort of unseemly wrangle about the chain of custody of the forensic evidence to be tested. Dr MacDonald's lawyers though Murtagh might tamper with the evidence. In my opinion that's what may have happened with this hair in Colette's hand. The MacDonald lawyers wanted to be there in order to make sure there was no tampering.

If that hair was Dr MacDonald's why was it unidentified by the Army CID lab in 1970, and the FBI, presumably Stombaugh, thought it was Colette's hair?

There was a rumor once that an Afro-American hair had been found. That was either lost, or never mentioned again. That could have come from Dwight Smith, and may have been in Colette's hand.

It seems extaordinary to me that it took almot ten years to get anything DNA tested. Why was the prosecution and Judge Fox so reluctant and lacking in urgency? It's a real case of the law's delay is justice denied.

All this stuff form Murtagh and Malone that the foootprint is of forensic significance ia a lot of nonsense. The Army CID man who investigated that, Medlin, was very inexperienced. From what Blackburn has been quoted as saying in 1996, Medlin is now dead, so he now can't be cross-examined about the fingerprints and footprint in the MacDonald case.

This is what one of Dr MacDonald's lawyers, Brian O'Neill, once said about that matter:

."The prosecution failed to disclose only those items significant to the defense.

The half-filled bloody syringe, the human skin from under Colette MacDonald's fingernails, the photograph of the letter "G" from the walls of Stoeckley's apartment, the bloody clothes and boots, and the opinion concerning the footprint.

During the trial CID investigator H.O. Medlin testified that the footprint found in the bedroom of the MacDonald residence was that of Dr MacDonald. However at least two other CID agents had previously questioned the validity of Medlin's opinion.

CID agent "Ralph" (Turbyfill) explicitly disputed Medlin's conclusions in a memorandum stating "H.O. I don't think we can opinionate in this matter. Personally I can't see the crease marks you refer to."

JTF

Since: Jul 08

Saint Albans, VT

#10 Sep 4, 2008
Henri: Go take your psychotic rants to another thread. This is not a thread for MacDonald groupies. You have your own thread on this forum for that nonsense. I suggest you place your arms in the pretty white jacket and go play at the children's table along with the other advocates for convicted murderer Jeffrey MacDonald.

A 1979 jury convicted Jeffrey MacDonald in less than 7 hours of murdering his wife and two young daughters.

MacDonald has spent 27 of the past 29 years in prison.

At trial, the prosecution presented over 1,000 evidentiary items and that was only about 60 percent of their case file.

Sans speedy trial issues, MacDonald has lost every single appellate decision since 1978.

Every single SOURCED evidentiary item found at the crime scene pointed to MacDonald's guilt. This includes fiber, blood, hair, footprint, and fabric impression evidence.

There was not a single evidentiary item that was SOURCED to a KNOWN intruder suspect.

The significance of the AFIP's DNA test results are as follows:

1) A limb hair found clutched in Colette MacDonald's left hand matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald. The MacDonald camp has argued for the past decade that since a splinter from the murder club was also found in Colette's left hand, the source of the limb hair was the wielder of the club. Their prediction came true.

2) MacDonald states that he never touched the multi-colored bedspread found rumpled in the master bedroom nor did he get on the bed with Kristen when he "found" her. DNA test results say otherwise. Body hairs that matched MacDonald's DNA profile were found in the multi-colored bedspread and on top of Kristen's bed.

3) The MacDonald camp has argued for the past 28 years that Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell were members of a group or cult that attacked the MacDonald family at 544 Castle Drive. Not a single DNA exhibit matched the DNA profile of Stoeckley and/or Mitchell which basically excluded them from being present at the crime scene.

4) Of the 28 hair exhibits that were DNA tested, only 3 were unsourced. None of the hairs were forcibly removed nor did they match the DNA profile of any known intruder suspect.

5) The MacDonald camp quickly attempted to distance themselves from the significance of the DNA test results by claiming that the limb hair found clutched IN Colette's hand was actually found ON her hand. The documented record says otherwise.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/

JTF
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#11 Sep 4, 2008
That's not conclusive evidence from JTF of anything. You weigh the evidence in a murder case.

It's not a question of men in white coats. I wish there had been a few more men in white coats on the MacDonald case forensic evidence. It all might be a bit clearer by now.

The basic problem in the MacDonald case was that the Army CID and FBI had this sort of Steve Thomas 'hypothetical scenario' that there was some sort of violent argument in which Dr MacDonald murdered his wife and kids. It's a theory without facts.

The Army CID and FBI disregarded leads and suspects and the real culprits in the MacDonald murders.

For one thing there were no violent arguments in the MacDonald family.

The Army CID forensic chemist, Browning, said at the MacDonald Grand Jury in 1975 that he thought Colette hit Dr MacDonald with a hair brush. There is no firm evidence of that. Army CID agent Shaw thought Colette murdered the little girls, which is a lunatic theory.

I could quite easily say that Colette hit Helena Stoeckley with a hair brush, which might explain that wig fiber on the hair brush. That theory is just as plausible as Browning's.

Browning also went into some diatribe at the Article 32 proceedings in 1970 that the mystery synthetic hair on the hair brush was female. It shows these forensic technicians can be wrong in their forensic judgment. I accept that Browning might have said that before the hair was thoroughly analyzed.

I just get the feeling that the Army CID had decided that Dr MacDonald was a womanizer and that his affairs caused the MacDonald murders. That theory was never presnted to the court in 1979. Instead we just have all this convoluted and manufactured forensic so-called evidence instead.

I just feel that Colette was a childhood sweetheart of Dr MacDonald from way back. She knew all about him, even if not all the exact details.

I agree that there seemed to be a funny business of an affair with Colonel Kane's wife at the time. I think her telephone number was on the murder weapon. I don't know the exact details of that or when the number was written down. I have sometimes wondered if Colonel Kane took a dim view of all that, although that was never mentioned at the 1979 trial.

I have known several of these womanizer types in the past. It has never led to murder that I know about. I agree that a few divorces have come of it.

I know one man who openly has had several affairs but his partner still stays with him, quite happily as far as I can judge. I think President Kennedy was a bit like that.

JTF

Since: Jul 08

Saint Albans, VT

#12 Sep 4, 2008
Henri: Go take your psychotic rants to another thread. This is not a thread for MacDonald groupies. You have your own thread on this forum for that nonsense. I suggest you place your arms in the pretty white jacket and go play at the children's table along with the other advocates for convicted murderer Jeffrey MacDonald.

A 1979 jury convicted Jeffrey MacDonald in less than 7 hours of murdering his wife and two young daughters.

MacDonald has spent 27 of the past 29 years in prison.

At trial, the prosecution presented over 1,000 evidentiary items and that was only about 60 percent of their case file.

Sans speedy trial issues, MacDonald has lost every single appellate decision since 1978.

Every single SOURCED evidentiary item found at the crime scene pointed to MacDonald's guilt. This includes fiber, blood, hair, footprint, and fabric impression evidence.

There was not a single evidentiary item that was SOURCED to a KNOWN intruder suspect.

The significance of the AFIP's DNA test results are as follows:

1) A limb hair found clutched in Colette MacDonald's left hand matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald. The MacDonald camp has argued for the past decade that since a splinter from the murder club was also found in Colette's left hand, the source of the limb hair was the wielder of the club. Their prediction came true.

2) MacDonald states that he never touched the multi-colored bedspread found rumpled in the master bedroom nor did he get on the bed with Kristen when he "found" her. DNA test results say otherwise. Body hairs that matched MacDonald's DNA profile were found in the multi-colored bedspread and on top of Kristen's bed.

3) The MacDonald camp has argued for the past 28 years that Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell were members of a group or cult that attacked the MacDonald family at 544 Castle Drive. Not a single DNA exhibit matched the DNA profile of Stoeckley and/or Mitchell which basically excluded them from being present at the crime scene.

4) Of the 28 hair exhibits that were DNA tested, only 3 were unsourced. None of the hairs were forcibly removed nor did they match the DNA profile of any known intruder suspect.

5) The MacDonald camp quickly attempted to distance themselves from the significance of the DNA test results by claiming that the limb hair found clutched IN Colette's hand was actually found ON her hand. The documented record says otherwise.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/

JTF
OneWhoCares

Charlotte, NC

#13 Sep 4, 2008
Henri - Give me a break.

All of the "alleged" suspects were questioned and cleared a way back when. They were given polygraphs and statements taken. If you want to believe Helena - why not believe the statement she made saying that she saw MACDONALD kill his family. That is but one of the many crazy statements she made. There is NO EVIDENCE of any of them in the apartment. That is NOT a theory it is a FACT.
Another FACT you seem to overlook is that MacDonald’s very own hair was found clutched in Colette's hand.

Want to explain the baby's blood on his eyeglasses?

JTF

Since: Jul 08

Saint Albans, VT

#14 Sep 4, 2008
OWC: Trust me, any attempts to have a salient discussion about the facts in this case with Henri, are utterly futile. He is simply a MacDonald groupie who seems to have chronic mental health issues. If there was a film of Jeffrey MacDonald murdering his family, Henri would claim that the CID recruited a MacDonald twin and filmed him "killing" actors portraying Colette, Kimmie, and Kristen.

A 1979 jury convicted Jeffrey MacDonald in less than 7 hours of murdering his wife and two young daughters.

MacDonald has spent 27 of the past 29 years in prison.

At trial, the prosecution presented over 1,000 evidentiary items and that was only about 60 percent of their case file.

Sans speedy trial issues, MacDonald has lost every single appellate decision since 1978.

Every single SOURCED evidentiary item found at the crime scene pointed to MacDonald's guilt. This includes fiber, blood, hair, footprint, and fabric impression evidence.

There was not a single evidentiary item that was SOURCED to a KNOWN intruder suspect.

The significance of the AFIP's DNA test results are as follows:

1) A limb hair found clutched in Colette MacDonald's left hand matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald. The MacDonald camp has argued for the past decade that since a splinter from the murder club was also found in Colette's left hand, the source of the limb hair was the wielder of the club. Their prediction came true.

2) MacDonald states that he never touched the multi-colored bedspread found rumpled in the master bedroom nor did he get on the bed with Kristen when he "found" her. DNA test results say otherwise. Body hairs that matched MacDonald's DNA profile were found in the multi-colored bedspread and on top of Kristen's bed.

3) The MacDonald camp has argued for the past 28 years that Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell were members of a group or cult that attacked the MacDonald family at 544 Castle Drive. Not a single DNA exhibit matched the DNA profile of Stoeckley and/or Mitchell which basically excluded them from being present at the crime scene.

4) Of the 28 hair exhibits that were DNA tested, only 3 were unsourced. None of the hairs were forcibly removed nor did they match the DNA profile of any known intruder suspect.

5) The MacDonald camp quickly attempted to distance themselves from the significance of the DNA test results by claiming that the limb hair found clutched IN Colette's hand was actually found ON her hand. The documented record says otherwise.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/

JTF

Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#15 Sep 5, 2008
OneWhoCares wrote:
Henri - Give me a break.
All of the "alleged" suspects were questioned and cleared a way back when. They were given polygraphs and statements taken. If you want to believe Helena - why not believe the statement she made saying that she saw MACDONALD kill his family. That is but one of the many crazy statements she made. There is NO EVIDENCE of any of them in the apartment. That is NOT a theory it is a FACT.
Another FACT you seem to overlook is that MacDonald’s very own hair was found clutched in Colette's hand.
Want to explain the baby's blood on his eyeglasses?
I think all that stuff about a speck of blood being found on Dr MacDonald’s glasses is one of the biggest pieces of bullcrap in the MacDonald case, as Jameson might say.

Judge Dupree said in one of the appeals that this speck of blood on the glasses somehow proves Dr MacDonald was lying because he said he wasn’t wearing his glasses at the time of the murders.

That’s twisted logic by Dupree. Wasn’t Judge Dupree ever told anything about blood spatter, and contamination of crime scenes? There was blood spatter all up the walls and the ceiling at that MacDonald murders crime scene. What’s so surprising that a speck of blood might have ended up on Dr MacDonald’s glasses?

I don’t know if any of the murderer were cut at that crime scene. Nobody does know. It’s possible that heavily blood stained rubber gloves from the Stoeckley killer gang might have dripped anywhere.

In any case I don’t think it’s logical for a judge to say that just because a speck of blood was type O then therefore it MUST have been Kristen’s blood. There are millions of people in this world who have type O blood. This was in the days before DNA could identify blood.

Another ridiculous accusation against Dr MacDonald was that his fingerprints were found on an Esquire magazine at the crime scene. It was his magazine. What’s so surprising, or suspicious, that his fingerprints would be on that magazine?

The Helena Stoeckley business is a massive subject in the MacDonald case. Her mother and her brother have recently, in the past few years, signed affidavits that they believe Helena was involved in the MacDonald murders.

Personally, I believe what Helena said about the MacDonald murders. There is no doubt at all that she would have been much more forthcoming about the murders if she had been granted immunity from prosecution. There is correspondence on the internet about this immunity for Helena matter. Suffice to say she was never granted immunity.

You may find this difficult to believe but sometimes criminals tell lies. They categorically deny their involvement in murders. They lie through thick and thin. That’s what Helena Stoeckley did at times. That’s what Helena did at the 1979 MacDonald trial. She never volunteered to attend that MacDonald trial. She had to be forcibly brought to the court.

There are numerous witness statements that Helena Stoeckley confessed her involvement in the MacDonald murders. Judge Dupree declared those witnesses inadmissible at the trial on the grounds of hearsay.

Instead all that was allowed to be heard was all this ridiculous stuff about blood and hairs and pajama fibers, and blood specks on glasses, which Dr Thornton could have demolished in no time at all if Murtagh had given him the lab notes.
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#16 Sep 5, 2008
This is what JTF once said about that speck of blood on Dr MacDonald's glasses business.

Does this make snse to you? I don't know about just the facts, but this is more like a theory without facts, or pure speculation to me:

JTF theory:

"The Type O blood on MacDonald's glasses consisted of a tiny spot on one of the lenses and the blood on the stuffed dog was probably back spatter from the ice pick as MacDonald was in the process of copying the Manson murders (e.g., overkill wounds, multiple weapons). By the time the ice pick was used on Kristen's inert body, MacDonald had already placed his pajama top across his wife's chest. The spot on his glasses could have been the result of blood transfer from his gloved hands. This is a theory that I subscribe to for I don't believe that he was wearing his glasses when he killed Kristen."
OneWhoCares

Charlotte, NC

#17 Sep 5, 2008
Henri you say and I quote "You may find this difficult to believe but sometimes criminals tell lies. They categorically deny their involvement in murders. They lie through thick and thin"

WHY would I not believe that....look at at ALL the lies MacDonald (convicted criminal) has told from day one.

Question for you, Henri.....WHY did MacDonald lie about the mouth-to-mouth he supposedly gave the victims?

I particularly like his 911 call....he says "Some people have been stabbed"..........SOME PEOPLE" OMG ---- it that how one describes loved ones?

JTF

Since: Jul 08

Saint Albans, VT

#18 Sep 5, 2008
OWC: Trust me, any attempts to have a salient discussion about the facts in this case with Henri, are utterly futile. He is simply a MacDonald groupie who seems to have chronic mental health issues. If there was a film of Jeffrey MacDonald murdering his family, Henri would claim that the CID recruited a MacDonald twin and filmed him "killing" actors portraying Colette, Kimmie, and Kristen.

A 1979 jury convicted Jeffrey MacDonald in less than 7 hours of murdering his wife and two young daughters.

MacDonald has spent 27 of the past 29 years in prison.

At trial, the prosecution presented over 1,000 evidentiary items and that was only about 60 percent of their case file.

Sans speedy trial issues, MacDonald has lost every single appellate decision since 1978.

Every single SOURCED evidentiary item found at the crime scene pointed to MacDonald's guilt. This includes fiber, blood, hair, footprint, and fabric impression evidence.

There was not a single evidentiary item that was SOURCED to a KNOWN intruder suspect.

The significance of the AFIP's DNA test results are as follows:

1) A limb hair found clutched in Colette MacDonald's left hand matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald. The MacDonald camp has argued for the past decade that since a splinter from the murder club was also found in Colette's left hand, the source of the limb hair was the wielder of the club. Their prediction came true.

2) MacDonald states that he never touched the multi-colored bedspread found rumpled in the master bedroom nor did he get on the bed with Kristen when he "found" her. DNA test results say otherwise. Body hairs that matched MacDonald's DNA profile were found in the multi-colored bedspread and on top of Kristen's bed.

3) The MacDonald camp has argued for the past 28 years that Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell were members of a group or cult that attacked the MacDonald family at 544 Castle Drive. Not a single DNA exhibit matched the DNA profile of Stoeckley and/or Mitchell which basically excluded them from being present at the crime scene.

4) Of the 28 hair exhibits that were DNA tested, only 3 were unsourced. None of the hairs were forcibly removed nor did they match the DNA profile of any known intruder suspect.

5) The MacDonald camp quickly attempted to distance themselves from the significance of the DNA test results by claiming that the limb hair found clutched IN Colette's hand was actually found ON her hand. The documented record says otherwise.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/

JTF
Henri McPhee

Plymouth, UK

#19 Sep 5, 2008
OneWhoCares wrote:
Henri you say and I quote "You may find this difficult to believe but sometimes criminals tell lies. They categorically deny their involvement in murders. They lie through thick and thin"
WHY would I not believe that....look at at ALL the lies MacDonald (convicted criminal) has told from day one.
Question for you, Henri.....WHY did MacDonald lie about the mouth-to-mouth he supposedly gave the victims?
I particularly like his 911 call....he says "Some people have been stabbed"..........SOME PEOPLE" OMG ---- it that how one describes loved ones?
I can't understand why people can't just believe what Dr MacDonald said happen did happen.

It's just the same in the Ramsey case in Boulder. They all seem to believe anything Fleet and Priscilla White say, but not the innocent victim the Ramseys. Surely the Army CID, and FBI, are more astute detectives than the Boulder cops?

This MacDonald case 911 call sounds rather like the Ramsey case 911 call, and my complaints to my local council noise pollution office about a barking and yapping dog, barking all day and night. In other words it was farcical, and full of bureaucratic red tape.

It's a strain on the nerves when somebody at the end of a phone says somebody might ring me back within two working days, when all I want is somebody to shut the stupid little dog up. As soon as it goes outside the house it barks and yaps. It can't keep quiet. The dog's mental, and so are its irresponsible dog owners.

Punishment is necessary, if only as a deterrent.

The local council are now closing the local council old people homes, to supposedly save money and cut costs, which is also putting me in a bad mood.

This is what Dr MacDonald said happened on a Larry King TV show in 2003. As far as I'm concerned this is the truth:

KING: Did you call the MPs or the police or...

MACDONALD: When I went down into the master bedroom and found my wife brutally murdered, I tried to give her mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. It didn't work. And eventually, I made my way to two other bedrooms and found my children in the same state. I called the MPs. The first operator wanted to find out some information about was it on post or off post and my Social Security number. And I dropped the phone and went back to my wife again. Eventually, I picked up the phone again and now a military policeman was on.

KING: We'll be right back with more of this incredible saga. Don't go away.

JTF

Since: Jul 08

Ripton, VT

#20 Sep 5, 2008
Henri: Go take your psychotic rants to another thread. This is not a thread for MacDonald groupies. You have your own thread on this forum for that nonsense. I suggest you place your arms in the pretty white jacket and go play at the children's table along with the other advocates for convicted murderer Jeffrey MacDonald.

OWC: Trust me, any attempts to have a salient discussion about the facts in this case with Henri, are utterly futile. He is simply a MacDonald groupie who seems to have chronic mental health issues. If there was a film of Jeffrey MacDonald murdering his family, Henri would claim that the CID recruited a MacDonald twin and filmed him "killing" actors portraying Colette, Kimmie, and Kristen.

A 1979 jury convicted Jeffrey MacDonald in less than 7 hours of murdering his wife and two young daughters.

MacDonald has spent 27 of the past 29 years in prison.

At trial, the prosecution presented over 1,000 evidentiary items and that was only about 60 percent of their case file.

Sans speedy trial issues, MacDonald has lost every single appellate decision since 1978.

Every single SOURCED evidentiary item found at the crime scene pointed to MacDonald's guilt. This includes fiber, blood, hair, footprint, and fabric impression evidence.

There was not a single evidentiary item that was SOURCED to a KNOWN intruder suspect.

The significance of the AFIP's DNA test results are as follows:

1) A limb hair found clutched in Colette MacDonald's left hand matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald. The MacDonald camp has argued for the past decade that since a splinter from the murder club was also found in Colette's left hand, the source of the limb hair was the wielder of the club. Their prediction came true.

2) MacDonald states that he never touched the multi-colored bedspread found rumpled in the master bedroom nor did he get on the bed with Kristen when he "found" her. DNA test results say otherwise. Body hairs that matched MacDonald's DNA profile were found in the multi-colored bedspread and on top of Kristen's bed.

3) The MacDonald camp has argued for the past 28 years that Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell were members of a group or cult that attacked the MacDonald family at 544 Castle Drive. Not a single DNA exhibit matched the DNA profile of Stoeckley and/or Mitchell which basically excluded them from being present at the crime scene.

4) Of the 28 hair exhibits that were DNA tested, only 3 were unsourced. None of the hairs were forcibly removed nor did they match the DNA profile of any known intruder suspect.

5) The MacDonald camp quickly attempted to distance themselves from the significance of the DNA test results by claiming that the limb hair found clutched IN Colette's hand was actually found ON her hand. The documented record says otherwise.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/

JTF

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