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It already is with the exception of a handful of naysayers who impose double standards in their reasoning because the "facts" and "evidence" are against them. There are some who are on the opposite side of reason entirely (and not just on this case, but on "every" case). The remainder are those who want others to believe they are important enough to make a difference in the outcome - they aren't!
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While certainly not justifiable in any way, they have no other recoutse other than sliming people and imputing their motives. While the prospect of an arrest in this becomes increasingly unlikely, for those who are studying the case the reality that the Ramseys did it will eventually become a resolved outcome not in dispute.
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Is Biz invisible these days and only certain people can see her posts? ;)
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DrSeussMd wrote:
It already is with the exception of a handful of naysayers who impose double standards in their reasoning because the "facts" and "evidence" are against them. There are some who are on the opposite side of reason entirely (and not just on this case, but on "every" case). The remainder are those who want others to believe they are important enough to make a difference in the outcome - they aren't!
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Well put. What does bother me is that uninformed opinion --general population--will gradually shift in the view that the Ramseys are innocent because the large media outlets constantly portray the Ramseys as innocents who were exhonerated and put out drivel like Aphrodite Jones. That is unfortunate.
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Well put. What does bother me is that uninformed opinion --general population--will gradually shift in the view that the Ramseys are innocent because the large media outlets constantly portray the Ramseys as innocents who were exhonerated and put out drivel like Aphrodite Jones. That is unfortunate.
Gee Steve. why do you think that is the case? COULD IT BE, and IT IS, the FACT, that Steve Thomas $ettled with the Ramseys so FAST in a Ramsey did it lawsuit that ONLY ONE Ramsey included in the mix 2 minute program has aired on NATIONAL TV since, the one aired by Carol McKinley on Fox News in 2002, that the Ramseys also sued about and LOST? Even with Fox winning, NO MEDIA OUTLET has since broadcast any type of Ramsey Did It theory. ST and his deal with the Ramseys are the reason why I believe Chief Kolar and his book have been shut out of TV, where knowledge he even wrote a book is basically limited to the Ramsey crime boards, the general public not even aware it exists, EVEN 10 years later, with no match on the DNA, the media are still going with the exonoration by Lacy, ST caving, they would AND WILL run intruder shows, NOT RDI SHOWS.

I do want to add, that the LIE by Aphrodite Jones in a Today show interview the day after her initial Discover ID channel aired, that their was a THIRD SOURCE OF UNSOURCED DNA on the Barbie nightgown, found in the wine cellar, is a SERIOUS TEAM RAMSEY LIE, since BURKE AND PATSY'S touch DNA WAS found on that nightgown. But hey, does Discover ID care? NO.
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RESPONSE TO CANDY:

Steve Thomas was frightened and forced into subjugation by his Publisher who wanted this case to go away as quickly as possible and would have wound up paying more money in legal fees even if they won the case. That Steve Thomas was not willing to bankrupt and injure himself and his Family any more than he already had should not be held against him by assigning blame to him for something that is at best tangentially connected to the settlement.
Steve Thomas has shown an enormous amount of personal courage throuhgout the initial tragedy and since the subsequent perversion of justice going on seventeen years. He was a detective with few if any connections to powerful and influential people yet he stood up for the truth and he SHOUTED it literally and figuratively to anyone who was able to listen.
Good luck convening a Grand Jury without his resignation letter.
He blazed a trail for otherts to follow. However most people ran the other way when seeing what was done to him and his family.
As for making excuses for Jim Kolar's lack of exposure please refrain from involving Steve Thomas. The reason that the mainstream media have basically shut out Ramsey did it perspectives is because Mary Lacy officially exhonerated them based on DNA 'evidence'. Now when most people read/learn/hear that a duly elected District Attorney (of a city the size of Boulder that would not inherently draw scrutiny of small town corruprion) cleared someone by using DNA, they are likely to take it at face value. Most people are not going to dig any deeper. They are not likely going to research the facts of the case and learn that Lacy is a crackpot that should have been jailed/institutionalized for her conduct in this case. For people (most people) not familiar with the facts of the case, an 'official' letter of exhoneration and apology from the DA bears an ENORMOUS amount of weight. Couple that with clueless comments about the case by people like John Walsh and that poseur Larry Schiller and history has been successfully revised without ANY intentional or unintentional contribution by Steve Thomas.
I would also like to comment about another possibility for why Jim Kolar has not received much attention. While I think that Kolar is a brilliant, honest, courageous, and commendable man, there is no doubt that his oral discourse on the case has been BORING! A veritable snooze fest of an interview. B-O-R-I-N-G. He only appeals to those with advanced knowledge about the case and seems PETRIFIED of saying anything that may cause a slither of a chance of litigation. Just listen to any of his podcast interviews or when he went on the Peter Boyles interview. Carol Mckinley had already been sued had now openly expressed a goal of not running afoul of her 'new cordial' relationship with Lin Wood and she was far more forthright and engaging when discussing the case. During the most recent podcast on Websleuths, Steve Thomas was far more outspoken and informative during the interview than Kolar.
For all intents and purposes Kolar may as well have been sued and crushed in the courtroom and silenced by Lin Wood et al because that is how he behaves and acts during interviews and presentations.
While Kolar's book is extraordinary, most of are REACHING when we praise his personal appearances.
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for your very detailed reply, and I will reply to all of it, point by point, as I have time. It will be brief posts addressing your comments and then elaborating on the answers. I'll start with Chief Kolar. What you find as "petrified", I find as SMART. To me, he's SMART to be aware of REAL RISKS, he wouldn't have ever lived as long as he had in such a dangerous profession as police work if he wasn't cognizant of real risks. He's a very INTELLIGENT man in my opinion. I've been riveted by all of his comments, in podcasts, on Boyles and at the Wilkinson Library, because of his IN DEPTH KNOWLEDGE. He's relatively soft spoken but hey, he can be. He's a big strong cop, and I doubt many criminals give him any back talk, so he can SPEAK SOFTLY and carry a big GUN, and they get the point, and so do I.

I must reiterate to look at the TIMELINE of when the mainstream media dropped the Ramsey did it Theory like a rock. You'll find it was when Thomas settled. UNLIKE Kolar, ST WAS given approximately equal time to the Ramseys on TV, THE ONLY GAME THAT MATTERS, so his book sold even better than LAME DOI. So most Americans had actually had the opportunity to HEAR of the book, SEE the articulate author talk about the book, and then buy the book and read it for themselves. He had the GREATEST OPPORTUNITY, greatest media exposure, and he caved as fast as possible. That made a HUGE difference to all the media networks, and still does to this day.

I HOPE AND PRAY that Chief Kolar IS NOT sued for his HEROIC work, but it is NO VICTORY for our side if he is not because one can say, why would the Scams bring attention to a book almost no one has ever heard of? That the Ramseys, tipped off by the pimping of "the news" for months on end, were WELL PREPARED for with their OWN cop's book when it finally did come out. That "mysteriously" the mainstream media would not touch the book and promote it, AFTER MASSIVE PUBLICITY FOR JOHN RAMSEY'S BOOK, DOING TEAM RAMSEY'S WORK FOR THEM. Lin Wood has NOT sued several Ramsey books like this, that did not sell like "An Evening with JonBenet Ramsey", etc.

I was dismayed in that podcast you referenced both Chief Kolar and ST talking about interest in their books and selling books in AUSTRALIA! The Ramseys and their lawyers don't give a damn how many books they sell in Australia!, IT'S THE UNITED STATES market THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. THAT'S WHERE THE JURY POOL WILL BE FROM. ST's book was KNOWN he was on NATIONAL TV, and Lin Wood went on NATIONAL TV to rebut him. He hasn't had to say much about Kolar's book, because TV hasn't bothered to cover it.
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Quote from Steve: "Steve Thomas was frightened and forced into subjugation by his Publisher who wanted this case to go away as quickly as possible and would have wound up paying more money in legal fees even if they won the case."

I WAS involved with a REAL one of these types of cases in the Ramsey case, the Wolf case, AND I KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE, so that is baloney. There was also a poster on this board, One who Cares, who SUCCESSFULLY AND PRO-SE defended herself against an identical lawsuit, all on her own. NONE of these people had legal defense funds like ST did, with posters willing to donate all they could and ask for donations for more if necessary.

Also, AUTHORS INSURANCE that an author BUYS when they write a book, PICKS UP THE COSTS OF LITIGATION IF YOU'RE SUED. That's who picked up the costs of the Wolf case for the Ramsey's in the Wolf case, their author's insurance company. THAT'S WHO PAYS. So his argument is what he can peddle to people that don't know anything about the facts of an action like that. And those people don't care about the truth either.
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candy wrote:
Quote from Steve: "Steve Thomas was frightened and forced into subjugation by his Publisher who wanted this case to go away as quickly as possible and would have wound up paying more money in legal fees even if they won the case."
I WAS involved with a REAL one of these types of cases in the Ramsey case, the Wolf case, AND I KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE, so that is baloney. There was also a poster on this board, One who Cares, who SUCCESSFULLY AND PRO-SE defended herself against an identical lawsuit, all on her own. NONE of these people had legal defense funds like ST did, with posters willing to donate all they could and ask for donations for more if necessary.
Also, AUTHORS INSURANCE that an author BUYS when they write a book, PICKS UP THE COSTS OF LITIGATION IF YOU'RE SUED. That's who picked up the costs of the Wolf case for the Ramsey's in the Wolf case, their author's insurance company. THAT'S WHO PAYS. So his argument is what he can peddle to people that don't know anything about the facts of an action like that. And those people don't care about the truth either.
Companies may or may not have lawyers on retainer but the costs of litigating a case like this would have been ENORMOUS. Do not assume that I am unfamilar with litigating cases. I am more than happy to compare my legal knowledge with yours. Thomas was also sued personally and his legal defense fund did not raise an adequate amount of money to defend this case. A person may have been blessed with the talents, resources and time to defend oneself pro se, lacking those attributes does not mean we encounter someone who DOES NOT CARE. And the settlement was not exaclty onerous against Thomas. I was still legally able to purchase the book after the settlement and that is what I did. In hindsight Thomas and the Publisher made a big mistake in settling, but that is why hindsight is always 20/20 so to speak. The settlement hurt Thomas and very others. Attempting to link people not being interested in Jim Kolar's practically inaudible soporific presentations is a spurious endeavor.
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candy wrote:
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your very detailed reply, and I will reply to all of it, point by point, as I have time. It will be brief posts addressing your comments and then elaborating on the answers. I'll start with Chief Kolar. What you find as "petrified", I find as SMART. To me, he's SMART to be aware of REAL RISKS, he wouldn't have ever lived as long as he had in such a dangerous profession as police work if he wasn't cognizant of real risks. He's a very INTELLIGENT man in my opinion. I've been riveted by all of his comments, in podcasts, on Boyles and at the Wilkinson Library, because of his IN DEPTH KNOWLEDGE. He's relatively soft spoken but hey, he can be. He's a big strong cop, and I doubt many criminals give him any back talk, so he can SPEAK SOFTLY and carry a big GUN, and they get the point, and so do I.
I must reiterate to look at the TIMELINE of when the mainstream media dropped the Ramsey did it Theory like a rock. You'll find it was when Thomas settled. UNLIKE Kolar, ST WAS given approximately equal time to the Ramseys on TV, THE ONLY GAME THAT MATTERS, so his book sold even better than LAME DOI. So most Americans had actually had the opportunity to HEAR of the book, SEE the articulate author talk about the book, and then buy the book and read it for themselves. He had the GREATEST OPPORTUNITY, greatest media exposure, and he caved as fast as possible. That made a HUGE difference to all the media networks, and still does to this day.
I HOPE AND PRAY that Chief Kolar IS NOT sued for his HEROIC work, but it is NO VICTORY for our side if he is not because one can say, why would the Scams bring attention to a book almost no one has ever heard of? That the Ramseys, tipped off by the pimping of "the news" for months on end, were WELL PREPARED for with their OWN cop's book when it finally did come out. That "mysteriously" the mainstream media would not touch the book and promote it, AFTER MASSIVE PUBLICITY FOR JOHN RAMSEY'S BOOK, DOING TEAM RAMSEY'S WORK FOR THEM. Lin Wood has NOT sued several Ramsey books like this, that did not sell like "An Evening with JonBenet Ramsey", etc.
I was dismayed in that podcast you referenced both Chief Kolar and ST talking about interest in their books and selling books in AUSTRALIA! The Ramseys and their lawyers don't give a damn how many books they sell in Australia!, IT'S THE UNITED STATES market THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. THAT'S WHERE THE JURY POOL WILL BE FROM. ST's book was KNOWN he was on NATIONAL TV, and Lin Wood went on NATIONAL TV to rebut him. He hasn't had to say much about Kolar's book, because TV hasn't bothered to cover it.
I am at loss to understand what a big strong cop with a big gun that frightens criminals has anything to do with this case because he clearly has frightened no one with this book. That is a fact. Due to his reticence he has laid to waste the excellent book that he has published. The Ramseys did it perspective was givem plenty of attention and air time after the John Mark Karr fiasco. In 2006 Steve Thomas was interviewed by Greta Van Susteren and spoke very well. He did it in a forthright, articulate, and persuasive manner. This is in stark contrast to what has been proferred by Jim Kolar.
With respect to publicity for Kolar's book, in this instance what you may consider 'pimping' most of us would consider promoting which was is and will woefully inadequate for this book. Steve Thomas has nothing to do with that. If you are in touch with Kolar, PLEASE tell him to get a real publicist, an interview coach, and a competent lawyer that will cure his irrational fear of thinking he will be instantly incarcerated upon publicly stating even the most indisputable facts of the case in a clear and precise manner.
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Steve Eller wrote:
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Companies may or may not have lawyers on retainer but the costs of litigating a case like this would have been ENORMOUS. Do not assume that I am unfamilar with litigating cases. I am more than happy to compare my legal knowledge with yours. Thomas was also sued personally and his legal defense fund did not raise an adequate amount of money to defend this case. A person may have been blessed with the talents, resources and time to defend oneself pro se, lacking those attributes does not mean we encounter someone who DOES NOT CARE. And the settlement was not exaclty onerous against Thomas. I was still legally able to purchase the book after the settlement and that is what I did. In hindsight Thomas and the Publisher made a big mistake in settling, but that is why hindsight is always 20/20 so to speak. The settlement hurt Thomas and very others. Attempting to link people not being interested in Jim Kolar's practically inaudible soporific presentations is a spurious endeavor.
Most publishers MANDATE that you BUY author's insurance. I know a lot about how St. Martin's Press operated then because Darnay's WIFE had a book deal with them too, Darnay put it together, Darnay knew all about author's insurance, how royalties are calculated and when and he said emphatically, ST NEVER, EVER had to settle, EVEN if his publisher did. NEVER. HE could have went it alone.

Of course the settlment wasn't "onerous" to Thomas. THE SCAMS WANTED HIM TO SETTLE THEN TO TAKE OUT THE PENDING LITIGATION AGAINST THEM, AND HE DID. NO doubt, HE WAS offered a deal to settle THEN, when it was most adventageous to the Scams. He knew what the ramifications would be to those lawsuits, and he did not care. He did not care about what the ramifications would be when Carnes said she believed Smit over him. He did not care what the ramifications would be when a Federal Court said an intruder committed the crime. He did not care when the BPD lost control of the case for SIX LONG YEARS, thanks to having to avoid a lawsuit. The DA having the case led to the Ramseys being CLEARED.

ST had a co-author, Don Davis, who NEVER had a separate lawyer, he used the publisher's lawyer, Sean Smith in Atlanta, who ST's lawfirm also used as their local counsel.
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The poster, One who Cares, held down a full time job at the same time she defended herself pro-se in a Federal defamation suit just like the one against ST.
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candy wrote:
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Most publishers MANDATE that you BUY author's insurance. I know a lot about how St. Martin's Press operated then because Darnay's WIFE had a book deal with them too, Darnay put it together, Darnay knew all about author's insurance, how royalties are calculated and when and he said emphatically, ST NEVER, EVER had to settle, EVEN if his publisher did. NEVER. HE could have went it alone.
Of course the settlement wasn't "onerous" to Thomas. THE SCAMS WANTED HIM TO SETTLE THEN TO TAKE OUT THE PENDING LITIGATION AGAINST THEM, AND HE DID. NO doubt, HE WAS offered a deal to settle THEN, when it was most adventageous to the Scams. He knew what the ramifications would be to those lawsuits, and he did not care. He did not care about what the ramifications would be when Carnes said she believed Smit over him. He did not care what the ramifications would be when a Federal Court said an intruder committed the crime. He did not care when the BPD lost control of the case for SIX LONG YEARS, thanks to having to avoid a lawsuit. The DA having the case led to the Ramseys being CLEARED.
ST had a co-author, Don Davis, who NEVER had a separate lawyer, he used the publisher's lawyer, Sean Smith in Atlanta, who ST's lawfirm also used as their local counsel.
Hopefully you were able to see how dubious was interlocking Kolar's lack of publicity with Steve Thomas's settlement.
The Publisher pressured Steve Thomas to settle that is a fact. Steve Thomas was also being sued separately and had his own lawyer that is a fact. Steve Thomas had a young family for which to provide and protect and that is an additional fact. Thomas looked the Ramseys in their eyes on live national television and accused them directly and clearly of having murdered JonBenet and covering it up that is another fact. Steve Thomas went it 'alone' for a long time and that is a lot to ask of someone. Steve Thomas and his lawyer against the best lawyers in the country that money could buy? Hmmm...at the time I can certainly understand why Thomas may not have liked his chances. No individual has worked longer, harder, and sacrificed more to expose the Ramseys than Steve Thomas. If you communicate with Jim Kolar please pass along the advice in my previous post.
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Everything I mentioned in my previous post is the direct and proximate result of ST's deal with the Ramseys. He's been ducking the REAL press for 10 years, that softball rubbish was just pathetic. He can't and won't answer hard questions, but Lin Wood and the RST have had A LOT to say of course, and ONLY their side of the case has been broadcast since his deal. They were far sighted, seeing all they could get by taking him out, and he only cared about himself:

Wood said the settlement with Thomas "totally vindicates" the Ramseys. However, he noted that Thomas "doesn't have a whole lot of money."

He added, "The dollar amount is irrelevant to the Ramseys. They sued this case as a matter of principle." Like most settlements, the defendants made no admissions. But, Wood insisted, "The result speaks for itself. HOW MANY PEOPLE SETTLE A LIBEL CASE?

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp...
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Everything I mentioned in my previous post is the direct and proximate result of ST's deal with the Ramseys. He's been ducking the REAL press for 10 years, that softball rubbish was just pathetic. He can't and won't answer hard questions, but Lin Wood and the RST have had A LOT to say of course, and ONLY their side of the case has been broadcast since his deal. They were far sighted, seeing all they could get by taking him out, and he only cared about himself:
Wood said the settlement with Thomas "totally vindicates" the Ramseys. However, he noted that Thomas "doesn't have a whole lot of money."
He added, "The dollar amount is irrelevant to the Ramseys. They sued this case as a matter of principle." Like most settlements, the defendants made no admissions. But, Wood insisted, "The result speaks for itself. HOW MANY PEOPLE SETTLE A LIBEL CASE?
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp...
If what Lin Wood says is the measure of honor integrity and honesty I'll take my chaances with Steve Thomas any day over what that unscrupulous huckster any day.

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