Review of "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town"
Henri McPhee

York, UK

#87 Sep 23, 2010
Lynette wrote:
One paragraph in PMPT which I've always wondered about is the following:
"Fernie ran to the patio door on the south side which he always used. It was locked.When he looked through the glass-panelled door, the lights were on and he could see some papers lying on the wooden floor. They were not facing him, but from where he stood he could read the first few lines of one page. That was all he needed. He understood immediately that JonBenet had been kidnapped".
From testimony at the Miller trial:
When John Fernie arrived he stated that he went to the glass door leading to the kitchen at back of house and saw the note laying on the floor inside the door. Fernie said, "It was inside the door and I was outside. The door was locked. I read it through the door"
I am almost positive I read somewhere that when Patsy made her panicked call to the Fernies telling them there was an emergency, John Fernie thought John had had a heart attack. What puzzles me is why, in that situation, he took the time to read the note UPSIDE DOWN through a door? Why did he waste time to do that when he thought his friend had had a heart attack? When he saw papers lying on the floor, what made him think they were of enough significance to read, especially right at that point?
I've never seen other posters comment on this. Am I the only one who finds it strange?
I must say I entirely agree with Lynette about that mysterious John Fernie testimony about reading part of the ransom note through a glass door. Several years ago now I made several postings about the exact same subject on Jameson's forum. Mikie had been a bit mystified about it as well. Most of the posters just took it for granted. I can only asssume that in all the chaos and confusion first thing in the morning the ransom note must have been on the floor by the glass door at one time. At one stage I wondered to myself if in fact there had been two ransom notes, but there is nothing to back that theory up at all.

This looks like another error from the Schiller PMPT book posted by BraveHeart in 2006:

"In October 1997 Detective Everett would learn from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that it was impossible to determine the condition of the dew frost or snow cover on the ground around the Ramsey residence during the night of December 25 and into the morning of December 26."
Not exactly true. The hourly weather conditions, latent and sensible temperatures, for the weather station at Boulder and nearby towns was at one time posted on the web. Using a psychrometric chart I was able to determine the dewpoints/freezepoints for the night of the 25th. and 26th. Those figures show that there could have been no frost forming on the ground that night. A discussion on this topic is in the evidence section.

Granted, we have no weather readings for the Ramsey's yard that night, but the wind was rather still (I believe it was about 5 MPH)and it is reasonable to extrapolate the weather conditions for the neighborhoods around the weather stations.

Crime scene photos were taken that morning which showed no frost on the ground or sidewalks and we know the ambient (outdoor) temperature did not rise above freezing until after lunch."
Patricia Fox

Hialeah, FL

#88 Sep 23, 2010
Capricorn wrote:
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Sounds like DOI
LOL..I can't wait to review that one. It will probably take the rest of our lives to list all the fallacies.
Eva

AOL

#89 Sep 23, 2010
Henri McPhee wrote:
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I must say I entirely agree with Lynette about that mysterious John Fernie testimony about reading part of the ransom note through a glass door. Several years ago now I made several postings about the exact same subject on Jameson's forum. Mikie had been a bit mystified about it as well. Most of the posters just took it for granted. I can only asssume that in all the chaos and confusion first thing in the morning the ransom note must have been on the floor by the glass door at one time. At one stage I wondered to myself if in fact there had been two ransom notes, but there is nothing to back that theory up at all.
This looks like another error from the Schiller PMPT book posted by BraveHeart in 2006:
"In October 1997 Detective Everett would learn from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that it was impossible to determine the condition of the dew frost or snow cover on the ground around the Ramsey residence during the night of December 25 and into the morning of December 26."
Not exactly true. The hourly weather conditions, latent and sensible temperatures, for the weather station at Boulder and nearby towns was at one time posted on the web. Using a psychrometric chart I was able to determine the dewpoints/freezepoints for the night of the 25th. and 26th. Those figures show that there could have been no frost forming on the ground that night. A discussion on this topic is in the evidence section.
Granted, we have no weather readings for the Ramsey's yard that night, but the wind was rather still (I believe it was about 5 MPH)and it is reasonable to extrapolate the weather conditions for the neighborhoods around the weather stations.
Crime scene photos were taken that morning which showed no frost on the ground or sidewalks and we know the ambient (outdoor) temperature did not rise above freezing until after lunch."
I lived in snow country all my life and even if it doesn't snow, the ground frosts at night. That being said I can understand the footprint remark because even if there wasn't snow there'd be footprints in the frost. Frozen ground shows prints, snow or not.

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#92 Sep 23, 2010
C-
I think there were a lot of things that were wrong, and Schiller acknowledged that right off the bat when more information on the case was out.
I don't think he deliberately put misinformation in the book. It was only as good as his sources at the time, and when he had better sources,(more information released on the case) he had better information.
As for the movie, it was fiction, it was a loose adaptation, and there was more wrong in the movie than in the book.
Moon Jack wrote:
<quoted text>Ok Doc ; thank you , now the book pmpt was a loose translation of the facts of the case also, right...? Since the movie is base on the book... I see your point Doc, the book & movie are like a loose woman... Thanks for your analogy ... Moon Jack, oh by the way Doc, it is , the book I mean, creative license... Right...? Do I get an A or a diploma...? Moon Jack

Since: Mar 08

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#94 Sep 23, 2010
Lynette wrote:
<quoted text> Hi, Moon Jack. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who thought it odd. Most people in that situation would have run straight to the nearest unlocked door without wasting any time if they thought there was a medical emergency. I will have to read up some more about the Lindberg kidnapping before I can make any informed comments regarding that. But I will, just give me time.
Why would he have "run to the front door?" The police were already there.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#95 Sep 23, 2010
Moon Jack wrote:
Witch ; in the movie pmpt. John hands French the note upon arrival ... Well I mean after French came in and went down the corridor... Moon Jack. He followed John there... Moon Jack
A real source would be nice.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#96 Sep 23, 2010
Moon Jack wrote:
Thanks Doc Fiction you say, but it's based on the book, and that is Schillers own words... I guess you have confirmed what I have been saying all along, the book is , a fiction mystery puzzle book... Makes one wonder why it would me in the true crime section... And why the reporter at the Fort Worth Star Telegram said it would one day be a classic... You can read it for your self on the jacket cover of the pulp paperback... Moon Jack... Fiction, Hmmmm. Moon Jack
I read Seuss to say the movie was fiction, not the book. You can base a fiction movie on a non-fiction book ya know! I don't know how the bookstores categorize it.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#99 Sep 23, 2010
Moon Jack wrote:
<quoted text>The movie is your source... Schiller and French wouldn't lie , would they ...? You must believe them Witch... Your on their side , remember... Moon Jack
The movie is not a source. Very few movies follow books in exact detail.
It does not say in PMPT that Ramsey handed the ransom note to French.
How was Fernie able to read it on the floor through the door if JR handed it to French when he arrived?
I'm not on "anyone's side." Stop acting so juvenile.
Puzzzzled

South Bend, IN

#101 Aug 4, 2011
Wasn't Mr. Ramseys bonus bonus exactly $118,000 exactly? Clearly, it was someone who knew them and frequented that house.
Puzzzzled

South Bend, IN

#102 Aug 4, 2011
Oh and that doll in the movie "Perfect Murder Perfect Town" was absolutly ridiculous. I would imagine even the most seasoned actors would have a hard time being serious with that doll. Just absurd.
FRANKY

Thailand

#103 Aug 4, 2011
"Crime scene photos were taken that morning which showed no frost on the ground or sidewalks and we know the ambient (outdoor) temperature did not rise above freezing until after lunch." henry

"I lived in snow country all my life and even if it doesn't snow, the ground frosts at night. That being said I can understand the footprint remark because even if there wasn't snow there'd be footprints in the frost. Frozen ground shows prints, snow or not." AOL EVA

CC, please do not consider this an invite! Here's your proof that even the Rs weren't home. No shoe prints.

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#104 Aug 5, 2011
You can't quote yourself as a source Franky, geez.
If the Ramseys weren't home, they lied.
No shoe prints means they 'were' home and didn't go outside.

“WAX ON”

Since: Jul 10

WAX OFF

#106 Aug 5, 2011
No it doesn't, it means they never left after they got home, when it dropped to freezing or below. They drove home, they didn't walk. They went from the car which was in the garage, to the house. They didn't walk around on the sidewalks.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#107 Feb 11, 2013
Most posters don't know that Schiller cheated Charlie out of a co-authorship of this great book. Everyone who knows about the book knows Charlie's reporting is what made it great. Schiller had just come off the OJ Simpson case, and wrote a magazine piece for The New Yorker in 1998, and got a book deal after that article. He went to Boulder knowing nothing and no one, and Charlie knew everyone, being on the story literally from the moment the body was wheeled out of the Ramsey home, he was there then on day one. People that don't know about the time of the grand jury, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, the book came out in February, 1999 before the grand jury INDICTED the Ramseys parents in October, 1999. But the TV movie "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" came out AFTER we were LIED to and told the grand jury didn't indict, in sweeps week February , 2000. As such, it makes a GREAT primer about the issues of the grand jury and during that time.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#108 Feb 11, 2013
I can't count how many times I've read PMPT and watched PMPT, the movie. For those of you who haven't seen the movie, here are a few key favorite scenes of mine.

1) My all time favorite scene is the re-inactment of Detectives Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo and Melissa Hickman hearing the ENHANCED 911 tape for the first time.

2) The scene where Steve Thomas, Ron Gosage, Trip DeMuth, Lou from July 5, 1997, all stay overnight in the Ramsey house, with Jeff Shapiro looking on from up in the tree house near the Ramsey house, where they run sound tests and the different theories through the rooms of the (supposed to be) acutal house.

3) Alex Hunter and Pete Hofstrom setting up the interviews with the Ramseys and BPD by speakerphone with Brian Morgan.

4) The interviews with Patsy Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo, and the interviews with John Ramsey by the same two.

5) John Douglas telling the Ramsey parents, and Ramsey legal team why law enforcement thinks they are involved.

6) Meeting in Washington, D.C. in September, 1997 with CASKU, reasons discounting any intruder in this crime.

7) BPD Dream Team lawyer to Steve Thomas "I'd like to know if that person that hit her over the head, strangled her."

8) BPD Dream Team lawyer, and Trip DeMuth arguing over the evidence after the presentation of the evidence to Hunter and the DA's office.

9) Kane saying he believes he has a case to take to the grand jury.

10) BPD's presentation of the evidence to Hunter's office.

11) Interviews of Patsy Ramsey by Tom Haney and John Ramsey by Lou Smit.

It's just a masterpiece of a movie that I can't recommend highly enough.

“May you all come home”

Since: Mar 07

safely Bless you all

#109 Feb 11, 2013
candy wrote:
Most posters don't know that Schiller cheated Charlie out of a co-authorship of this great book. Everyone who knows about the book knows Charlie's reporting is what made it great.....
IF that is true, why do you care and why should we care?

Seriously asking
candy

East Lansing, MI

#110 Feb 22, 2013
Because it's Charlie's book every bit as much as it is Schiller's.

An interesting fact: Chief Kolar, going from police reports, also says in his book, that the Whites arrived after the Fernies, just like it says in PMPT. BUT, John Fernie testified in the Miller trial that by the time he got there, the Whites were already there. Fernie also thought he got there at 6:00 a.m., and in Kolar's book it's 6:30 a.m. The Fernies lived about 20 minutes away from the Ramseys, and the Whites lived just in the neighborhood, so I think PMPT and Kolar were right, and John Fernie is wrong about when the Whites got there and when he got there.
deb

Minneapolis, MN

#111 Feb 23, 2013
candy wrote:
Because it's Charlie's book every bit as much as it is Schiller's.
An interesting fact: Chief Kolar, going from police reports, also says in his book, that the Whites arrived after the Fernies, just like it says in PMPT. BUT, John Fernie testified in the Miller trial that by the time he got there, the Whites were already there. Fernie also thought he got there at 6:00 a.m., and in Kolar's book it's 6:30 a.m. The Fernies lived about 20 minutes away from the Ramseys, and the Whites lived just in the neighborhood, so I think PMPT and Kolar were right, and John Fernie is wrong about when the Whites got there and when he got there.
Makes sense if he saw the note or a page of the note laying on the floor. Sounds like he was there before the police because the note was handed to the police upon their arrival???
candy

East Lansing, MI

#112 Feb 23, 2013
There's no way in the world Fernie was there before the police. French doesn't mention anyone besides the Ramseys being there when he arrived at 5:56 a.m. Look at a map of Boulder, the Fernies lived on the other side of town, on TinCup Circle. Spade told me that the tabloids timed how long it would take to get to the Ramsey house, and even at 6:00 a.m. traffic, it took AT LEAST 20 minutes. Both ST and Kolar report Patsy made 2 phone calls AFTER the 911 call to her friends, the Fernies and Whites to come over.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#113 Feb 23, 2013
On p. 400 of "Foreign Faction", Chief Kolar says CSI Karl Veitch arrived at approximately 6:00 a.m.
On page 30: "CSI Karl Veitch arrived on the scene and handled the collection of the ransom note. It had been REPLACED and photographed on the stair treads as that had been the original location of discovery according to Patsy Ramsey. He then transported the note to the police department and photocopied it for investigators before securing it and going home sick."

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