What should we think about DA Alex Hunter?

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Since: Feb 12

Honolulu, HI

#1 Feb 2, 2013
After learning that the Grand Jury voted to indict the Ramsey parents, many things should have crossed our minds, but mainly THREE. Why didn't he prosecute? There are the three possibilities which are:

1. He was dishonest, and accepting some type of threat or bribe on this case.
2. He was afraid to prosecute because he thought he might lose in the trial.
3. He was honest, and truly believed that a child abuse charge was flimsy, with not enough evidence to convict the parents.

Personally, I don't think he was honest, so I would scratch #3, mainly because of the deceptive statement after the Grand Jury Decided. IF he was honest, he should have said upfront, that the Grand Jury voted to indict the parents, but he and his staff truly did not believe that a child abuse,(NOT MURDER) conviction was not possible.

Also, I see no shame in taking a case to trial, and losing to a multi-million dollar dream team of lawyers like the OJ Simpson case, so I would scratch #2.

That would leave me with #1. Hunter was dishonest in the JB case. Just my own personal opinion. Care to share yours?

CC
Central VA

Midlothian, VA

#3 Feb 10, 2013
Hunter failed JB. He should be charged. He had an obligation to seek justice for her. An investigation into how many meetings and how much evidence he shared with the Ramsey lawyers will prove he should be charged. He had no obligation to share evidence with Ramsey's lawyers (as the Ramsey's were never charged). So why did he? He did have an obligation to seek justice for JB.

Most people have no clue how many deals he made with the Ramsey's lawyers. He wouldn't allow his own detectives to question the Ramsey's without stipulations like approved questions first. They could only ask questions about this but not about that, etc. Ramsey's son Burke was whisked away without objections from Hunter. Why wasn't Burke questioned right away? Was Burked ever question? For that matter, why weren't the Ramsey's question on day-one? Most people have no idea how much time passed before Hunter allowed his detectives to question the Ramsey's. Then handcuff his own team by agreeing to pre-approved questions. Had this been a poor black family, they would of all be held for questioning ON DAY ONE! How many times did Patsy or John visited the Boulder police to assist in finding her daughters killer. Most parents would have been camped out at the police office. Offering every detail they could remember about that night. Instead, they lawyered up! Without being charged or even questioned! Why would a parent of a murdered child look for a lawyer before assisting the police??

Hunter has to be investigated. The killer is still free. Where is the outrage?

Since: Feb 12

Aiea, HI

#4 Feb 10, 2013
Central VA wrote:
Hunter failed JB. He should be charged. He had an obligation to seek justice for her. An investigation into how many meetings and how much evidence he shared with the Ramsey lawyers will prove he should be charged. He had no obligation to share evidence with Ramsey's lawyers (as the Ramsey's were never charged). So why did he? He did have an obligation to seek justice for JB.
Most people have no clue how many deals he made with the Ramsey's lawyers. He wouldn't allow his own detectives to question the Ramsey's without stipulations like approved questions first. They could only ask questions about this but not about that, etc. Ramsey's son Burke was whisked away without objections from Hunter. Why wasn't Burke questioned right away? Was Burked ever question? For that matter, why weren't the Ramsey's question on day-one? Most people have no idea how much time passed before Hunter allowed his detectives to question the Ramsey's. Then handcuff his own team by agreeing to pre-approved questions. Had this been a poor black family, they would of all be held for questioning ON DAY ONE! How many times did Patsy or John visited the Boulder police to assist in finding her daughters killer. Most parents would have been camped out at the police office. Offering every detail they could remember about that night. Instead, they lawyered up! Without being charged or even questioned! Why would a parent of a murdered child look for a lawyer before assisting the police??
Hunter has to be investigated. The killer is still free. Where is the outrage?
Hi CVA,
It is a crying shame, but I don't think anything can be done about Hunter. If I am not mistaken, the statute of limitation has lapsed, AND, being the DA at the time, he might be immune to prosecution.

It looks like he got away with this one, but he has to deal with his maker.
CC
Central VA

Midlothian, VA

#5 Feb 10, 2013
It is a shame. I agree, he or she will meet there maker. Hunter needs to be held accountable too (just saying).

The Statute of Limitations is for Misdemeanor crimes only. There is no statute of limitations for murder (capital or first-degree).
candy

East Lansing, MI

#6 Feb 10, 2013
Central VA wrote:
It is a shame. I agree, he or she will meet there maker. Hunter needs to be held accountable too (just saying).
The Statute of Limitations is for Misdemeanor crimes only. There is no statute of limitations for murder (capital or first-degree).
Did you ever see "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town", the movie? It takes place during Hunter's era, and the evidentiary problems then are the same as now.

FOR EXAMPLE, one of the BPD's Dream Team lawyers says after the BPD presentation of the evidence to Hunter's office "We think you have a triable case of felony murder. We think you should take it straight to the grand jury."

The Pete Hofstrom character says "To prove felony murder, you have to prove the murder was committed during a felony? What was the felony?"

"Sexual Assault" says the Dream Team Laywer.

"How do we prove that sir? The Trip DeMuth character says. "Which parent do you charge with which act?

"Who hit her over the head sir?" "Who carried the child?" "Who tied the garotte"? Can you prove that? No you can't.

THEN you have some unsourced DNA in three locations on the victims clothing. All this, except even MORE unsourced DNA from the same donor dates back from Hunter's time. WHO WOULD YOU CHARGE WITH WHAT, with what weapon, in which room, on which day AND HOW DO YOU PROVE IT WITH EVIDENCE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT?

http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Murder-Town-Kri...

Since: Feb 12

Aiea, HI

#7 Feb 10, 2013
Central VA wrote:
It is a shame. I agree, he or she will meet there maker. Hunter needs to be held accountable too (just saying).
The Statute of Limitations is for Misdemeanor crimes only. There is no statute of limitations for murder (capital or first-degree).
Hi CVA,
While there is no statute of limitation for murder, it would be impossible to get a murder conviction in the Jonbenet case, and ALL other possible charges are now way past the statute of limitations.

There has been a murder, and although it was about as imperfect as you can get, they got away with it.
CC

“YES”

Since: Mar 07

TWICE

#8 Feb 11, 2013
At the very least, those who have obstructed justice should be held accountable for some of their actions

I agree that nobody will ever pay for this crime in the legal system, but there are some people who blatantly broke the law and protocols and should be held accountable for that.

It should serve as a lesson to those who will come after in the DA's office and the BPD and maybe a lesson to those who get away with everything and anything due to their wealth.

"JonBenet's law" might do some good and assure that she didn't die without anything productive to show for it to help other victims

It's certainly about time

Since: Feb 12

Aiea, HI

#9 Feb 11, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
At the very least, those who have obstructed justice should be held accountable for some of their actions
I agree that nobody will ever pay for this crime in the legal system, but there are some people who blatantly broke the law and protocols and should be held accountable for that.
It should serve as a lesson to those who will come after in the DA's office and the BPD and maybe a lesson to those who get away with everything and anything due to their wealth.
"JonBenet's law" might do some good and assure that she didn't die without anything productive to show for it to help other victims
It's certainly about time
Hi Capricorn,
I agree. While the JB case will go "unsolved" forever, the case did expose a lot of things. Unfortunately, we do have some diehard IDIs who are still looking for an intruder, who can walk into and out of the home with snow on the ground, and leave no footprints in the snow.
CC

“YES”

Since: Mar 07

TWICE

#10 Feb 11, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
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Hi Capricorn,
I agree. While the JB case will go "unsolved" forever, the case did expose a lot of things. Unfortunately, we do have some diehard IDIs who are still looking for an intruder, who can walk into and out of the home with snow on the ground, and leave no footprints in the snow.
CC
There are always some who will never see the truth and that is their right. Yes, the case will forever go unsolved IMO and the die hards will always be able to soothe themselves with that option of having the thread of DNA and lies to cling to. Whatever works.

If they would just stop misinforming everyone, I could respect it. The fact that they have to lie about the evidence and the Ramseys and provide MISinformation is where the problem lies in ever receiving justice for this little girl. If Lin Wood says "jump" they ask how high. Sad, but true

You say they have been duped, but you have to realize that they like that and want that; the alternative is not as pleasant

JBR and justice? Not going to happen IMO

Since: Feb 12

Aiea, HI

#11 Feb 11, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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JBR and justice? Not going to happen IMO
Hi Capricorn,
I agree with you that We will never see justice in the JBR case as far as the law, but I have hopes that more of the truth will leak out exposing the corruption that most can already see.
Money can buy a lot of things, including an exoneration from a crime that you commit. That is, if you have enough money and the right contacts.
I truly do NOT believe that Lou Smit, Lin Wood and Mary Lacy actually and honestly believe that, the Ramseys, are innocent.
CC

“YES”

Since: Mar 07

TWICE

#12 Feb 11, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
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Hi Capricorn,
I agree with you that We will never see justice in the JBR case as far as the law, but I have hopes that more of the truth will leak out exposing the corruption that most can already see.
Money can buy a lot of things, including an exoneration from a crime that you commit. That is, if you have enough money and the right contacts.
I truly do NOT believe that Lou Smit, Lin Wood and Mary Lacy actually and honestly believe that, the Ramseys, are innocent.
CC
I agree with your last sentence and I'll go even further and claim that 90% of the IDI don't believe they are innocent either, but they took a stance and I believe it is nothing more than the refusal to be wrong in most cases and to continue to "belong" in their current circles.

Of course that is just my opinion, but it is shared by many :)

Since: Feb 12

Aiea, HI

#13 Feb 11, 2013
Capricorn wrote:
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I agree with your last sentence and I'll go even further and claim that 90% of the IDI don't believe they are innocent either, but they took a stance and I believe it is nothing more than the refusal to be wrong in most cases and to continue to "belong" in their current circles.
Of course that is just my opinion, but it is shared by many :)
I partly agree with you. Where I disagree, is I don't think the amount is as high as 90%. I think it is closer to, but less than 50%. People do not like to be fooled, or wrong, so the diehard IDIs will look for more BS to believe. If they don't find it, they will create some.
CC
Central VA

Midlothian, VA

#14 Feb 13, 2013
Someone should of told Hunter about Scott Peterson being found guilty. The question of What day, which room, what weapon, how, when and where is not always needed to prove murder. Hunter failed. He had an obligation to press charges, try the case, and let the chips fall where they may. Hunter wanted a deal. He was counting on a plea deal. He shared evidence with Ramsey's dream team and should be held accountable.
Central VA

Baltimore, MD

#15 Feb 28, 2013
Here's another one for Alex Hunter to learn from.
Feb 28 2013. Bloomington, MN police department charged Jeffery Dale Trevino with two counts of second degree murder. Body has not been found. Nor, are they sure what day, or how he did it. I bet they didn't share evidence with Trevino trying to reach a plea deal. Alex Hunter shared evidence with the Ramsey lawyers trying to get a plea deal and it back fired. Where is the outrage? Hunter should be disbarred. To think he's still practicing law is absurd! Boulder CO should be ashamed. No justice for JonBenet!

Had she been an adopted black girl, people would of been screaming racism and the adults in that house would of been charged. Just saying....
Heloise

UK

#16 Jul 24, 2013
Blimey: a case Hunter prosecuted

http://www.ohio.com/news/local/soap-box-derby...
candy

East Lansing, MI

#18 Jul 24, 2013
Heloise wrote:
Blimey: a case Hunter prosecuted
http://www.ohio.com/news/local/soap-box-derby...
'Blimey' is right Heloise. I had never heard of this case and was VERY SUSPICIOUS about Hunter wanting to actually prosecute ANYTHING he couldn't plea bargain and sure enough, "A non-judicial adjustment was given instead of prosecution. Lange was ordered to pay $2,000 to the Boys Club of Boulder and to stay out of derby races for two years. Hunter pressed for the 1972 vehicle to be produced as part of the settlement, but the judge denied that request. The 1972 car never materialized.

"Justice takes many forms and it's never perfect," Hunter told the Daily Camera at the time." GRRRRRR..........

http://www.dailycamera.com/features/ci_236936...

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#19 Jul 24, 2013
candy wrote:
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"Justice takes many forms and it's never perfect," Hunter told the Daily Camera at the time."
He should know because he (Hunter) is the poster boy for imperfection.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#20 Jul 24, 2013
Alex turned into the king of plea bargains because of his lousy record of trying cases. The last case he tried before the Ramsey case was in 1986, and he lost that case.

Since: Feb 12

Waipahu, HI

#21 Jul 24, 2013
candy wrote:
Alex turned into the king of plea bargains because of his lousy record of trying cases. The last case he tried before the Ramsey case was in 1986, and he lost that case.
Hi Candy,
Actually, about 90% of all criminal convictions are attained by plea bargaining. In the JB case, if it ever went to an indictment, I think the Ramsey team would have tried to get a plea deal, but Hunter was too afraid that they might not.
BAK.
Steve Eller

United States

#22 Jul 25, 2013
Bakatari wrote:
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Hi Candy,
Actually, about 90% of all criminal convictions are attained by plea bargaining. In the JB case, if it ever went to an indictment, I think the Ramsey team would have tried to get a plea deal, but Hunter was too afraid that they might not.
BAK.
Plea bargaining is extensive. Even if Alex Hunter had miraculously acquired the talents and skills of an enormously successful and competent prosecutor it would not have mattered in this case. The more I look at the facts of this case, the more I am convinced that Hunter was actively involved in making sure his business partners clients would never be brought to justice for what they did to JonBenet.

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