S.B.T.C: Weird coincidence?
Biz

Tampa, FL

#21 Mar 18, 2010
deb wrote:
Zach Frey, a RPG (role-playing gamer), designed a RPG called STBC way back when. Biz found all this out and even emailed him.
Zack, the great pretender?
http://www.znfrey.com/rpg/essbee.html
http://koti.mbnet.fi/area51/softversio/Oliver...
The first link is the game designer. The second link is a different person from the UK but his artwork is very controversial, includes bondage, but always with men or men and boys.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#22 Mar 18, 2010
LillyAndGish wrote:
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Here's my confusion: This says the Bible in PR's bedroom was open to Psalm 118, not JR's Bible.
<<<The bible in Patsy's bedroom allegedly was turned to Psalms 118>>>
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/Interpretin...
I've never hear that one before. I hope it's true.
Old South

AOL

#23 Mar 18, 2010
deb wrote:
Also, Jess McReynolds, son of Bill, was a gamer and designed RPG games.
I believe Evening2 (who knew almost all there is to know about the McReynolds family) posted this: "Jesse was born in 1959. If that is a picture of a Jesse, that's not the Jesse in this case as I've seen what he looks like."

I can't say exactly what she means, but it seems she's implying that Bill McReynolds' son, Jesse, is not the one to whom you refer. Can you tell if the "picture" to which she refers is a picture of Bill's son?
deb

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Mar 18, 2010
Old South wrote:
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I believe Evening2 (who knew almost all there is to know about the McReynolds family) posted this: "Jesse was born in 1959. If that is a picture of a Jesse, that's not the Jesse in this case as I've seen what he looks like."
I can't say exactly what she means, but it seems she's implying that Bill McReynolds' son, Jesse, is not the one to whom you refer. Can you tell if the "picture" to which she refers is a picture of Bill's son?
I don't know - I wish she was still around to discuss the case. I found her research very interesting.
LillyAndGish

Columbus, OH

#25 Mar 18, 2010
BrotherMoon wrote:
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I've never hear that one before. I hope it's true.
I thought it was the Bible downstairs, but I've checked it several places now and it does appear that it was Patsy's Bible in Patsy's room that was open to Psalm 118. I can't swear to it, but seems that way.
fr brown

Walnut Creek, CA

#26 Mar 19, 2010
LillyAndGish wrote:
I thought it was the Bible downstairs, but I've checked it several places now and it does appear that it was Patsy's Bible in Patsy's room that was open to Psalm 118. I can't swear to it, but seems that way.
To the best of my recollection, Psalm 118 was first mentioned by Rol Haverstock as a possible explanation for the strange ransom amount.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#27 Mar 19, 2010
fr brown wrote:
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To the best of my recollection, Psalm 118 was first mentioned by Rol Haverstock as a possible explanation for the strange ransom amount.
And he was right.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#28 Mar 19, 2010
LillyAndGish wrote:
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I thought it was the Bible downstairs, but I've checked it several places now and it does appear that it was Patsy's Bible in Patsy's room that was open to Psalm 118. I can't swear to it, but seems that way.
That's another indication of premeditation.
fr brown

Walnut Creek, CA

#29 Mar 19, 2010
LillyAndGish wrote:
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Here's my confusion: This says the Bible in PR's bedroom was open to Psalm 118, not JR's Bible.
<<<The bible in Patsy's bedroom allegedly was turned to Psalms 118>>>
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/Interpretin...
I don't know about Patsy's Bible, if she had one. John Ramsey's Bible was open to Psalm 35:

"A New International Version Study Bible was photographed on the desk of John Ramsey, open to the pages of Psalms 35 and 36. There was no way to know it at the time, but those verses were to play a critical role in the unfolding case...." _JonBenet_, p. 49, paperback.

"Father Rol Hoverstock came by the police department to give hair and handwriting samples--we were even checking out the family minister--and we asked his opinion about Psalms 35 and 36, without revealing why. That started him thinking about that book of the Bible, and when Detective Gosage and I met him later in the day at his home, Father Rol suggested that we take a look at Psalm 118. He thought it might be the origin of the $118,000 ransom figure. And in his sonorous voice, he read aloud one of the verses, which contained the phrase 'bind the sacrifice with cords.'

Before long, the media, fed by the Ramsey forces, were promoting Psalm 118 as a key to the case. As incredible as it was, the verse was only an odd coincidence, for the Bible on John Ramsey's desk was both a different edition, with different wording of even that verse, and open to a different place." _JonBenet_, p. 69, paperback.
LillyAndGish

Columbus, OH

#30 Mar 19, 2010
fr brown wrote:
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I don't know about Patsy's Bible, if she had one. John Ramsey's Bible was open to Psalm 35:
"A New International Version Study Bible was photographed on the desk of John Ramsey, open to the pages of Psalms 35 and 36. There was no way to know it at the time, but those verses were to play a critical role in the unfolding case...." _JonBenet_, p. 49, paperback.
"Father Rol Hoverstock came by the police department to give hair and handwriting samples--we were even checking out the family minister--and we asked his opinion about Psalms 35 and 36, without revealing why. That started him thinking about that book of the Bible, and when Detective Gosage and I met him later in the day at his home, Father Rol suggested that we take a look at Psalm 118. He thought it might be the origin of the $118,000 ransom figure. And in his sonorous voice, he read aloud one of the verses, which contained the phrase 'bind the sacrifice with cords.'
Before long, the media, fed by the Ramsey forces, were promoting Psalm 118 as a key to the case. As incredible as it was, the verse was only an odd coincidence, for the Bible on John Ramsey's desk was both a different edition, with different wording of even that verse, and open to a different place." _JonBenet_, p. 69, paperback.
Thank you for the information. Very interesting. Personally, I believe this is where the idea for the ransom amount came from as well as the division of $100,000 and $18,0000.
fr brown

Walnut Creek, CA

#31 Mar 19, 2010
LillyAndGish wrote:
Thank you for the information. Very interesting. Personally, I believe this is where the idea for the ransom amount came from as well as the division of $100,000 and $18,0000.
Huh? The point of the quotes was that Psalm 118's connection was just some fantasy of Rol Hoverstock's. No Bible was open to Psalm 118. The only Bible Patsy and John were asked about in their interviews was John's and that was opened to Psalms 35 and 36.

The only way that Psalm 118 is connected to the crime is if Rol Hoverstock committed it.
candy

East Lansing, MI

#32 Mar 19, 2010
Cops have Jesse's DNA. There's no reason to suspect him of anything in this crime. It's just another hatchet job by Team Scamsey, based on NO EVIDENCE.
LillyAndGish

Columbus, OH

#33 Mar 20, 2010
fr brown wrote:
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Huh? The point of the quotes was that Psalm 118's connection was just some fantasy of Rol Hoverstock's. No Bible was open to Psalm 118. The only Bible Patsy and John were asked about in their interviews was John's and that was opened to Psalms 35 and 36.
The only way that Psalm 118 is connected to the crime is if Rol Hoverstock committed it.
I'm sorry for the confusion, Fr. Brown. This is where I was getting that Patsy's Bible was open to Psalm 118:

<<<The bible in Patsy's bedroom allegedly was turned to Psalms 118,>>>

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/Interpretin ...

I do realize, of course, that the site I linked to is not the most reliable, not like acandyrose.

Anyway, sorry I added some confusion and thank you for the information. I had always thought the Bible was open to Psalm 118. I had also read that was PR's favorite Psalm.

Always so confusing! I just wish we had access to all the information.
LillyAndGish

Columbus, OH

#34 Mar 20, 2010
fr brown wrote:
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I don't know about Patsy's Bible, if she had one. John Ramsey's Bible was open to Psalm 35:
"A New International Version Study Bible was photographed on the desk of John Ramsey, open to the pages of Psalms 35 and 36. There was no way to know it at the time, but those verses were to play a critical role in the unfolding case...." _JonBenet_, p. 49, paperback.
"Father Rol Hoverstock came by the police department to give hair and handwriting samples--we were even checking out the family minister--and we asked his opinion about Psalms 35 and 36, without revealing why. That started him thinking about that book of the Bible, and when Detective Gosage and I met him later in the day at his home, Father Rol suggested that we take a look at Psalm 118. He thought it might be the origin of the $118,000 ransom figure. And in his sonorous voice, he read aloud one of the verses, which contained the phrase 'bind the sacrifice with cords.'
Before long, the media, fed by the Ramsey forces, were promoting Psalm 118 as a key to the case. As incredible as it was, the verse was only an odd coincidence, for the Bible on John Ramsey's desk was both a different edition, with different wording of even that verse, and open to a different place." _JonBenet_, p. 69, paperback.
Thanks for the quotes from the book. I see I was confused.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#35 Mar 20, 2010
fr brown wrote:
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The only way that Psalm 118 is connected to the crime is if Rol Hoverstock committed it.
Or if Patsy obssessed about it. Which she did.
TinkersDam

Miami, FL

#36 Mar 22, 2010
SBTC is not listed as a US military abbreviation which would be recognized for general military use or in the routing of messages.
Nothing in the home bore SBTC in any prominent manner.
Nothing in the home is known to have the letters SBTC in any such sequence or close proximity to each other.
SBTC could stand for a great many things or could have been selected at random by the intruder: we just don't know. The area apparently is known as South Boulder to some but I don't know if SB stands for South Boulder. Surely someone pretending to be some sort of foreign faction would not want South Boulder in its name but something more related to some foreign country. Such obvious contradictions make me think the note is a ploy and might even be the work of one or more juveniles.
BrotherMoon

Denver, CO

#37 Mar 22, 2010
TinkersDam wrote:
Such obvious contradictions make me think the note is a ploy and might even be the work of one or more juveniles.
How insightful. And one of them is named Sandy.
noah yates

Pearland, TX

#38 Apr 27, 2010
during the ardon halt case in houston, texas
in which a black 6yr old girl was
"allegedly" kidnapped
and was raped - halt received 50 yrs -
on hitler's birthday 4/20/2005
letters went out to multiple elementary school principals describing the s.b.t. cult north of waco
this was suppressed
do your homework, it is still on the net
sbt is all over the net
MOON JACK

United States

#39 Apr 27, 2010
why would the Rev, Rol commit this crime in your feeble minds ? because 118, is just a # in psalms. forget the chapter, and you can forget rev Rol also, the thread does not run through him. moon jack. good luck
erazzledazzle

Buffalo, NY

#40 Apr 9, 2013
I totally agree that the wife (Patsy) fits better than any other P.O.I., but what the hell is her motive? She has absolutely zero motive. even if you count covering up her husband as motive, then what was HIS motive? the parents, while the most likely candidate, are probably only the most likely candidates because the killer MADE THEM OUT TO BE. In other words, if you're plannin on doing such a nasty, and perverse act to a child, who would be the easiest people to blame? the parents. Family is always the first questioned. I honestly dont think either John nor Patsy did this to thier own child. She was an angel. Who would do this to thier own beaufiful, defenseless child, on christmas. come on guys. who would want to ruin the image of christmas for thier entire family for the rest of thier lives? If they wanted to do it, why not wait a couple days, months, or whatever, so it wouldnt be so detrimental to thier mental state of being. Use common sense guys.

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