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pinker

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Police interviewed Burke 12/26 before the body was found and that interview was expunged. It appears this is when he made the statement JonBenet was awake and walked upstairs when they got home. This was contrary to his parents claim she was asleep and carried up.

If the Ramseys claim to have never discussed
JonBenet's death with Burke how did they find out Burke talked to Police the morning of 12/26? It couldn't have been the Police that told them because they didn't agree to even talk with police themselves until many months later.



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You are deliberately spreading misinformation, Pinker. That is NOT when Burke allegedly made that statement. We discussed it on the Green Garland thread.
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Burke's interview so much after the death is not what is at issue. This is a valid concern. Children have a very hard time lying. Burke's interview from the White's needs to be unsealed. John and Burke should be polygraphed and confronted with the truths as they exist.

To have any record expunged is not the normal state of affairs, especially mere statments made by a child. Expunged records are usually criminal in nature, and done to protect somebody else from access to the truth.

This is nothing about what a perfect parent you think Patsy was. This is about covering up an accident. A domestic incident of abuse that was unintentionally fatal.

Why do you think Burke is afraid of talking with invetigators?

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Burke would have been asked specific leading questions, open ended style, not anything needing a yes or no answer. This is before the body was found, when there was a feigned possibility she was kidnapped but the FBI's involvement related it as something else with the family was involved.

Burke would have been asked about the family activities the night before, after they got home from the Whites. What he did, What his father did, what his mother did, what he said, what his mother said, what his father said; and what JonBenet herself did and said.

But the big question for me is when did the Ramseys come to know the police had talked to Burke at the Whites the morning of 12/26? Who told them and when? Was it Burke or did it come from the DA's office?
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The new investigation did not come ring John Ramsey's door to talk with him, they looking for Burke.
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Lynette wrote:
You are deliberately spreading misinformation, That is NOT when Burke allegedly made that statement.
As the interview is not public, it is expunged; who are you to say what is or isn't in it? I seriously doubt anyone in South Africa has had access to much other than unreliable internet information on this case. You haven't even read all the books, just your beloved DOI.

You are the same person that believes Patsy was a loving mother and bleaching JonBenet's hair was just mother daughter bonding... It was outright abuse or can you post a link to a happy five year old having that done?

To unravel what happened to this poor child, how she died; you need to look at how she lived. You need to start at the beginning of the 'crime' and include everything known to have happened.

JonBenet's death is an intimate family secret. To this day John and Burke run the other way from police or the FBI.

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pinker wrote:
Burke would have been asked specific leading questions, open ended style, not anything needing a yes or no answer. This is before the body was found, when there was a feigned possibility she was kidnapped but the FBI's involvement related it as something else with the family was involved.
Burke would have been asked about the family activities the night before, after they got home from the Whites. What he did, What his father did, what his mother did, what he said, what his mother said, what his father said; and what JonBenet herself did and said.
But the big question for me is when did the Ramseys come to know the police had talked to Burke at the Whites the morning of 12/26? Who told them and when? Was it Burke or did it come from the DA's office?
Great points Pinker regarding Burke and his "interviews". While it is of course my opinion and speculation, the fact that the record was expunged speaks volumes as to what he had to say.

There was absolutely no reason if everyone is innocent to expunge the records. If Burke misspoke during that time and said things that were inaccurate, all those statements could have been sorted out and corrected on the record.

Not only that, it would have gone way further to show that the poor kid was confused and didn't know what he was talking about. INSTEAD, they expunged the record and it remains hidden to this day. Very suspicious. Also, since he was interviewed at the Whites, and FW may very well have been privy to what was said, it was also about that time that FW turned on the Ramseys so to speak and stopped "supporting" them. We also have no knowledge of what Burke may have said to Fleet, or anyone else at the White's house. That may very well be what opened FW's eyes to what may have happened and caused the confrontations with the Ramseys. It would have gone a long way in their Public Relations quest to open up the statements and clarify them to everyone. It shows there is nothing to hide and they may have even saved Burke from all the innuendo IF ALL WAS INNOCENT

Add to that the fact that everything sold to the NE by Jameson was sold MINUS all Burke information. Add to that the fact that Burke to this day refuses to speak to the police and all the "he has nothing to say", "nothing to add", "doesn't remember", yada yada and what do you have? LOTS TO HIDE. Burke could request as well as John that all the EXPUNGED information be made public if he doesn't want to come in, etc. Nope

Like the undisclosed DNA reports and incomplete DNA reports, I do believe IMO that it is because there are lots of incriminating pieces of evidence that lead right back to the Ramseys

Just like the expunged statements that this "confused" little boy may have made. I don't think there was any "prepping" of Burke for interviews because in my theory/opinion/speculation, I believe Burke had no idea what happened once he was sent off to bed after whatever incident happened and was much older when he was able to put the pieces together. I would bet my last dime that TODAY, he would never pass a poly. That would also make sense of John's statement that Burke will be 40 before he would want to talk about it or something similar
pinker

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Yes, Burke's biggest fear is an interview or polygraph.

Children are rarely capable of lying directly, unless they are psychopathic or coached. It is the most immediate statements made that are given a bigger weight in court, believed most reliable, credible, and truthful. What is remembered immediately after any incident is not clouded or interfered with. This is even true in simple court cases involving traffic accidents.

In the accounts I've read Fleet spent most of the morning at the Ramseys, not his home. He went early to get the film and I don't recall ever hearing he went back until after the body was found. I don't think he would have been around when Burke was questioned, nobody would have been allowed within earshot, purposely.

Burke is key and knows what happened. He knew that morning and he knows today.

Expunged records can be unsealed and bodies can be exhumed. It's long overdue.

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pinker wrote:
Yes, Burke's biggest fear is an interview or polygraph.
Children are rarely capable of lying directly, unless they are psychopathic or coached. It is the most immediate statements made that are given a bigger weight in court, believed most reliable, credible, and truthful. What is remembered immediately after any incident is not clouded or interfered with. This is even true in simple court cases involving traffic accidents.
In the accounts I've read Fleet spent most of the morning at the Ramseys, not his home. He went early to get the film and I don't recall ever hearing he went back until after the body was found. I don't think he would have been around when Burke was questioned, nobody would have been allowed within earshot, purposely.
Burke is key and knows what happened. He knew that morning and he knows today.
Expunged records can be unsealed and bodies can be exhumed. It's long overdue.
FW was at the Ramsey house when the body was found. He was right behind John, remember?

I agree he most likely wasn't at his house when the police talked to Burke.
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It's been reported Fleet spent his time at the Ramsey home taking notes. Actually writing down what was occuring and what had occured the night before at his home.

This is the most likely reason the pro Ramsey side fears him and have tried to discredit him.

Fleet's notes...

the last pictures of JonBenet with her hair & jewlery...

Burke's expunged interview...

and an exhumation...

All would be a step in the right direction for resloving the mystery of JonBenet's death. It was never a murder, just a bizarre accident covered up by an even more bizarre mother.

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Capricorn wrote:
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There was absolutely no reason if everyone is innocent to expunge the records. If Burke misspoke during that time and said things that were inaccurate, all those statements could have been sorted out and corrected on the record.

Not only that, it would have gone way further to show that the poor kid was confused and didn't know what he was talking about. INSTEAD, they expunged the record and it remains hidden to this day. Very suspicious.
Add to that the fact that everything sold to the NE by Jameson was sold MINUS all Burke information. Add to that the fact that Burke to this day refuses to speak to the police and all the "he has nothing to say", "nothing to add", "doesn't remember", yada yada and what do you have? LOTS TO HIDE. Burke could request as well as John that all the EXPUNGED information be made public if he doesn't want to come in, etc. Nope
Like the undisclosed DNA reports and incomplete DNA reports, I do believe IMO that it is because there are lots of incriminating pieces of evidence that lead right back to the Ramseys
And people wonder where other people who believe the Ramseys were somehow involved get that idea from. All they have to do is make a list of the Ramsey actions and they would have their answer.

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I cannot think of a single reasonable explanation that the interview should be expunged. Why not release it?

What is the "reasonable" explanation for keeping it secret, other than it could be damaging?

I can't think of any
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Probably the same reason every legal action brought on Burke's behalf was settled out of court with the results secret per Ramsey request.

BURKE was involved in the accidental death of his sister and involved in covering it up.

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pinker wrote:
Probably the same reason every legal action brought on Burke's behalf was settled out of court with the results secret per Ramsey request.
BURKE was involved in the accidental death of his sister and involved in covering it up.
And those that weren't "settled" were dropped. Once it involved getting the truth out in a real court of law, the suits were dropped.

There is much we don't know and IMO it is because it points right back to the Ramseys and Burke in particular. I would guess that if the truth were ever to come out, they may even be responsible to pay back some of those settlements and may even face criminal charges for bringing them forth in the first place.
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This story of Burke's that radically differed from his parents account of JonBenet being asleep and carried up the stairs is one of the most IMPORTANT revelations in all of ST's book. IT IS A HUGE DISCREPENCY, and it's WHY you ALWAYS separate people before interviewing them.

ST. hardback: p.316 "JonBenet's brother, Burke Ramsey, was interviewed in Atlanta for two hours a day on consecutive days in EARLY JUNE"...

"Burke Ramsey seemed to have recovered his memory"...

P.317 "He said that his sister fell asleep in the care on the way home, but awakened to help carry presents into the house of a friend. When they got home, JONBENET WALKED IN SLOWLY AND WENT UP THE SPIRAL STAIRS TO BED, JUST AHEAD OF PATSY. That was QUITE A DIFFERENCE from the inital and frequently repeated story that she was carried to bed."
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Any wonder why Lin Wood won't let Burke be interviewed again by the cops??? This huge revelation plus the enhanced 911 tape plus who know what.
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Strangely,(at the time), it was to the Scams now favorite publication in the world, The National Enquirer, that they CHANGED THEIR STORY about Burke being asleep. This was at the very same time they filed a lawsuit against ST:

THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
April 3, 2001

RAMSEYS CHANGE THEIR STORY ABOUT MURDER NIGHT

By David Wright & Don Gentile

"John and Patsy Ramsey have changed the story they told cops about their daughter JonBenet's murder -- they now admit their son Burke was awake during that Christmas 1996 nightmare!
pinker

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From everything I'm able to read it sounds as though this expungement of Burke's interview was something that did not qualify to be sealed in the first place.

http://expungement.uslegal.com/expungement-of...

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candy wrote:
Any wonder why Lin Wood won't let Burke be interviewed again by the cops??? This huge revelation plus the enhanced 911 tape plus who know what.
You are correct Candy. There is so much hidden that it is hard to believe that anyone can criticize anyone else for being suspicious

They have made the bed they lie in over and over again with every move they ever made and continue to make

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pinker wrote:
From everything I'm able to read it sounds as though this expungement of Burke's interview was something that did not qualify to be sealed in the first place.
http://expungement.uslegal.com/expungement-of...
Qualifications, laws, rules, etc. didn't apply to the Ramseys when Haddon, et al were involved. If the lawyers wanted it expunged and sealed, by golly it was done! It was the Ramseys after all

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