The Smiley Faced Killer
DETROIT

Farmington, MI

#42 May 5, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
* 48. Willie Jacobson, 19 (NY) 4-27-08 SUN
NICHOLas Garza 02-05-08 tues night 11:05pm WED am
* 47. Josh Szostak, 21 (NY) 12-23-07 SUN
* 46. Christopher Melancon, 24 (WI) 9-30-07 SUN
* 44. Abel Bolanos, 19 (IA) 3-31-07 sat
* 45. Brad Olsen, 26 (IL) MISSING 1-20-07 sat
* 42. Nick Rossini, 21 (MN) 12-16-06 sat night-SUN
* 41. Jesse Ross, 20 (IL) MISSING 11-21-06 WED
* 40. Lucas Homan, 21 (WI) 9-30-06 sat night
* 39. Max Walker, 26 (WI) 7-26-06 WED
* 38. Brian Shaffer, 27 (OH) MISSING 4-1-06 fri
* 37. Scott Radel, 21 (MN) 2-2-06 thur
* 36. Kenji Ohmi, 20 (WI) 1-28-06 sat
* 35. Cullen Fortney, 21 (WI) 1-8-06 SUN
LAWRENCE ANDREWS (NY) 12-31-05 NEW YEARS EVE 2006
* 33. Matt KRUZiki, 24 (IA) 12-24-05 CHRISTMAS EVE
* 32. Matthew Soumakis, 31 (IL) 12-6-05 tues
* 31. Albert Campbell, 22 (NY) 10-7-05 fri
* 34. Patrick Kycia, 19 (MN) 9-23-05 fri
* 30. Josh Snell, 22 (WI) 6-12-05 SUN
* 29. Chris Thiem, 19 (IN) 1-12-05 WED
* 28. Adam Falcon, 20 (NY) 11-13-04 sat
* 27. Chris Olberding, 18 (OH) 10-2-04 sat
* 26. Marlon Blue, 21 (IL) 4-17-04 sat
* 24. Jared Dion, 21 (WI) 4-11-04 SUN
* 25. Glenn Leadley, 23 (IL) 2-8-03 sat
* 23. Nathan Herr, 21 (WI) 1-10-03 fri
#37 Scott Radel is incorrectly listed drowned as 2-2-06. That should read WED 2-2-05.
DETROIT

Farmington, MI

#43 May 5, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
Jeremy Stienkeoway`s disappearance may provide a vital clue. Video from the Casino in Grand Casino in Hinkley MN shows Jeremy with possibly his alleged killer (not killers) filmed on casino video with him in the casino. I`d like to see those videos compared to Gary McNeil`s license photo.
Also I don`t see how these two former cops allege that this has to be a gang doing this and not just one or two people because they claim several were done the same day 400-600 miles apart. None of these kids disappearances are any closer than 3 days apart and no two are listed as missing or dead on the same days.
What the police MUST MEAN is that three kids went missing THE SAME DAY BUT IN DIFFERENT YEARS. This adds further fuel to my allegations that this is Gary and that he`s the 2nd Zodiac because these kids that went MISSING the SAME DAY were ALL ON HOLIDAYS. ZODIAC STYLE
12-31-05 Lawrence Andrews-New Years Eve
12-31-99 Brian Welzien-New years Eve
12-31-97 Ryan Getz- New Years Eve

12-24-05 Matt KRUZiki-Christmas Eve
12-24-07 Josh Szostak-Christmas Eve
DETROIT

Farmington, MI

#44 May 5, 2008
Consider also these drowned college students

10-31-02 Chris Jenkins Halloween
10-31-03 Matthew Schiess- Halloween missing out of his house in the middle of the night and found drowned

1-20-03 Jeremy Stienkeoway MLK Birthday-seen with killer on casino video
1-20-07 Brad Olsen-same day but not MLK birthday that year

Is this Noah`s arc? Why do they go by twos on Holidays and only on Holidays and no one missing drowned on a Holiday doesn`t have a mate???

Gary`s the 2nd Zodiac. He killed Judy Ferro 12-31-75 and Pervinkler 1-1-76 and he`s been killing Zodiac style every since. Jonbenet died Christmas night. Michael Helgoth died Valentines Day. 60% of these kids drowned WED-SUN & HOLIDAYS
ONLY 40% DROWNED THE OTHER FIVE DAYS MON-TUES-THUR-FRI-SAT
DETROIT

Farmington, MI

#45 May 5, 2008
Looking further there`s Radel 2-2-05 and Gottschalk 2-2-97- How can this all be a coincidence???
DETROIT

Farmington, MI

#46 May 6, 2008
9-30-06 Lucas Homan-ohman
9-30-07 Christopher Melancon-leman

4-11-99 Jeffrey Geesey-geese
4-11-04 Jared Dion-jared

4-25-98 keith Nobel-nobel
4-25-05 daniel pirfo-firpo

3-31-07 abel BOLANos BOLAN after 12pm
4-1-06 brian shaffer-BARNI

He targets these names and reads profiles on Facebook targeting athletes with kill names on his list-BARNI-PRIZES-NOBEL,WRESTL ERS-FIRPO,GAMES-BOLAN, LEMAN liME CHERRY,ANIMALS falcon GEESE BURROWS, HIS NAME macneil-MCNEIL-MICHAEL Noll (MICHNEAL)-lol-funny names-chris ol berdin g-ken ji oh mi -spices-thiem ,sos Ross rossini, reverse names & money NICHOL as garza=garsa garza etc...

Then he targets them in a bar, drugs their drink with date rape GHB, drowns them in a pail or hubts them and chases them toward water so they fall through the ice and drown-

This is his winter sport among others and he often frequents Florida-in the summer he hunts kids
CandyO

Portage, IN

#47 May 6, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>She willingly gave her DNA to be tested against the hair found in Michigan OCCK victim Tim King`s mouth. Because she`s Gary`s sister her mitochondrial DNA could be used instead of Gary`s. Gary knew the hair wasn`t his because he put it there as a false clue, yet he feared having his DNA on file might match a crime scene then or later. Since his sister willingly agreed to submit her DNA, why can`t they compare it to the Cape Coral FL DNA? Obviously she suspects that Gary is a serial killer or she wouldn`t have turned his name into police in 2000.
As for the AB+, that`s Deanna Seifert`s blood type found on Andy Trombleys shoes when they put the 3 pubic hairs in her underpants after they murdered her.
DNA was NOT a science used in 1977. In YOUR scenario, he knew the hair in Tim's mouth could be DNA tested so he did it to throw LE off his track? He could not have known that DNA might play a factor in crime solving in 1977.
CandyO

Portage, IN

#48 May 6, 2008
from DNA Fingerprinting: The Capture of a Murderer.. an article by Elizabeth Batt.

In 1984, Professor Alec Jeffreys of Leicester University invented a technique that seemed to turn the tables against any person with a desire to commit murder. Criminal forensic procedures took a huge step forward with the introduction of DNA Fingerprinting - a unique weapon they could to use in their fight against crime. With the ability to record DNA segments (bar-codes unique to every individual), DNA fingerprinting enabled the hunter to become the hunted.

That's 1984 NOT 1977 Dan.

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#49 May 6, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>She willingly gave her DNA to be tested against the hair found in Michigan OCCK victim Tim King`s mouth. Because she`s Gary`s sister her mitochondrial DNA could be used instead of Gary`s. Gary knew the hair wasn`t his because he put it there as a false clue, yet he feared having his DNA on file might match a crime scene then or later. Since his sister willingly agreed to submit her DNA, why can`t they compare it to the Cape Coral FL DNA? Obviously she suspects that Gary is a serial killer or she wouldn`t have turned his name into police in 2000.
So are you sure it was tested, or did she just provide it? And, if she gave it for a specific test, it cannot be used against an unrelated circumstance - chances are it was dumped already anyhow.

An example would be Wolfe's girlfriend in the Ramsey case. She turned him in, he provided DNA, was cleared in the Ramsey case. No one could now take his DNA and compare it in the Cape Coral FL case.
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>As for the AB+, that`s Deanna Seifert`s blood type found on Andy Trombleys shoes when they put the 3 pubic hairs in her underpants after they murdered her.
I know you posted what blood type Gary had/has, but I couldn't remember, do you remember off hand?
RiverRat

North Fort Myers, FL

#50 May 6, 2008
Detroit - give me your contact info as I am not putting the -email address on here that you need to use.
DETROIT

United States

#51 May 6, 2008
RiverRat wrote:
Detroit - give me your contact info as I am not putting the -email address on here that you need to use.
But you want me to put my email address on here or what? Give me the email address for your group.
DETROIT

United States

#52 May 6, 2008
Legal__Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you sure it was tested, or did she just provide it? And, if she gave it for a specific test, it cannot be used against an unrelated circumstance - chances are it was dumped already anyhow.
An example would be Wolfe's girlfriend in the Ramsey case. She turned him in, he provided DNA, was cleared in the Ramsey case. No one could now take his DNA and compare it in the Cape Coral FL case.
<quoted text>
I know you posted what blood type Gary had/has, but I couldn't remember, do you remember off hand?
I don`t know Gary`s blood type and never posted it. I said that he`s of Scottish ancestry and has unique bloodline being Scottish that`s related to red hair (even though his is black) which only 4% of people share. It`s not rare rare just a significant marker to prove killer was CAUCASION. The only blood type I`ve ever posted is that when they killed Deanna Seiffert and asked me for a pubic hair when Andy Trombley kicked her to death and got her AB+ blood on his shoes.
DETROIT

United States

#53 May 7, 2008
Smiley face Victims Listed By Month
Smiley Face Murders-one victim survived awaking swimming in the water, one called for
help saying he was being hunted by someone, one victim is on casino video with the
killer, many had GHB date rape drug in their system, some were held hostage for days
Notice in some months that all went missing on even days and some months on odd. The
killer started off with all WED/SUN murders then switched to mainly odds and evens.
JANUARY ALL EVENS-8,10,12,20,20,28 January 8-10-12 & pair 1-20
01-08-06 Cullen Fortney-only survivor- woke up swimming in water-SUN
01-10-03 Nathan Herr-fri
01-12-05 ChrisThiem-WED
01-20-03*Jeremy Stienkeoway-mon MLK Birthday-killers face is on casino video
01-20-07* BradOlsen-sat-2nd murder 1-20
01-28-06 Kenji Ohmi-sat
FEBRUARY ALL EVENS-2,2,6,8,16,16,22,28 pair 2-2 & pair 2-16
02-02-97* Brian Gottschalk-SUN
02-02-05* Scott Radel WED
02-06-08 NICOLas Garza WED
02-08-03 Glenn Leadley-sat
02-16-97* Patrick Mcneil-SUN
02-16-06* Nick Rossini-sat night
02-22-98 Nathan Kapfer-SUN
02-28-03 jeremy Houk-fri
MARCH ALL ODD missing March1st-7 &31
03-01-01* Patrick Runningen-thur
03-01-03* Jeremy Houk-
03-07-98 Trevor Hoheisel-sat
03-31-07 Abel BOLANos-sat
APRIL ALL ODDS except 4-14& pair on 4-11 & pair 4-25
04-01-06 Brian Shaffer
04-11-99* Jeffrey Geesey-SUN
04-11-04* Jared Dion -SUN
04-13-01 Ken Christiansen-thur
04-14-99 Nathan Edberg-WED
04-17-04 Marlon Blue-sat
04-25-98* Keith Noble-sat
04-25-05* Daniel Pirfo-SUN
NO MAY
JUNE
06-12-05 Josh Snell-SUN
JULY
07-26-06 Max Walker-WED
NO AUGUST
DETROIT

United States

#54 May 7, 2008
SEPTEMBER -28-29-30-pair 9-30
09-23-05 Patrick Kycia fri
09-28-97 Charles BLATZ-SUN
09-29-02 Craig Burrows-SUN
09-30-07* Christopher Melancon-SUN
09-30-06* Lucas Homan-sat
OCTOBER-pair 10-31
10-02-04 Chris OlBERDINg sat
10-05-97 Anthony Skifton-SUN
10-07-05 AlBERT CampBELL fri
10-20-01 ERIC bLAIR-sat
10-31-02* Chris JenKINS-Halloween
10-31-03* Matthew SchIESS-Halloween
NOVEMBER ALL ODDS EXCEPT 5-6-7
11-05-00 Ryan katCHER-SUN
11-06-02 MICHAEL Noll-WED
11-07-01 Chris NordBY-WED
11-09-02 Josh Guimond-sat
11-13-04 Adam FALCON sat
11-21-06 Jesse rOSS WED
DECEMBER-pair 12-24 & pair 12-31
12-06-05 Matthew Soumakis -tues
12-12-02 Chad SHARon-thur
12-16-06 Nick rOSSini-sat
12-20-02 Brian CARrick
12-23-07 Josh Szostak-SUN morning just after midnight
12-24-05 Matthew KRUZiki-christmas eve-sat
12-31-97* Ryan Getz -New Years Eve-WED
12-31-99* Brian Welzien-New Years Eve-fri
12-31-05* Lawrence Andrews-New Years Eve-sat

Out of 50 College kids missing/drowned how could so many be on the same days by accident???

Since: Mar 07

United States

#55 May 7, 2008
One of the Michigan OCCK victims was dumped along Bruce Lane. Bruce Wayne being Superman and his friend being Lois Lane. Thus Gary began his superhero and villain collection. I`ve noticed kids missing in Manson. Among the Smiley Face victims one went missing in Hinkley(shot the President). BOLANos is another smiley face victim which fits with Gary killing the BOWLING boy in Parker. Peter Parker being Spiderman. Among the Smiley Face victims are Olsen-supermans friend Jimmy Olsen. Another name of a probable victim is Scott Langlois. Lois Lang being Superman`s girlfriend.
CandyO

Portage, IN

#56 May 8, 2008
Bruce Wayner was Batman - Clark Kent was Superman.
CandyO

Portage, IN

#57 May 8, 2008
Correction: Bruce Wayne
RiverRat

North Fort Myers, FL

#58 May 8, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>But you want me to put my email address on here or what? Give me the email address for your group.
A group? Well, you can start with the Southwest Florida Parents of Murdered Children Chapter...
space cadet

Latham, NY

#59 May 8, 2008
Detroit, you need some help buddy. Your spewing your garbage on every message board. Are you looking for your 15 minutes of fame at the expense of these families?

The face were only found at SOME of the sites, not ALL.

You are out way out of line.

Since: Mar 07

Waterford, MI

#60 May 8, 2008
space cadet wrote:
Detroit, you need some help buddy. Your spewing your garbage on every message board. Are you looking for your 15 minutes of fame at the expense of these families?
The face were only found at SOME of the sites, not ALL.
You are out way out of line.
According to news sources smiley faces have been found at 22 places in 11 states. Posting the truth is not spewing anything.
space cadet

Latham, NY

#61 May 8, 2008
You claimed previously that smiley faces were discovered at EVERY drowning. You and your "gary theory" are about as far left as anything I have ever encountered.

Stick to your local issues, dont post on every bored claiming you know things and are privy to information no one else can obtain.

Some of these families have suffered enough over the past years/months/days and they dont need to revisit there pain because someone obviously has a little too much time on there hands.

You have every right to explore your theories of what may or may not have happened, but, try to do it in a less "in your face" type of way.

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