The Smiley Faced Killer

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#183 May 29, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> Back then this forum was mainly pro Ramsey, then it was invaded by a group of FFJ Ramsey Did it people.
You have no idea where the people came from, why tell lies? Some may have, but most have not, but that never has stopped you from spouting fiction before.

DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text> Detective Gannon agrees that someone matching Gary`s age and description is on casino video with Stienkeoway before his murder.
How many 58 year old men fitting Gary's description do you suppose there are detroit, huh?

Since: Mar 07

Wixom, MI

#184 May 29, 2008
Logan wrote:
I've been puzzled as to why this is on a JB forum. Please pardon my ignorance and explain how this happened.<quoted text>
Logan. If you look around this Jonbenet Ramsey forum you`ll find threads for Shawn Hornbeck, Jason Midyette, Madelynn McCaan, Sycamore Forum Reopened, and Anna Nicole Smith and others. These were all started by posters on this forum and have nothing to do basically with Jonbenet. Legal Eagle constantly butts in complaining about every post, complaining if you use the word noone, etc. He`s just harassing. It has nothing to do with Jonbenet. He also followed me onto the Oakland County Child Killer thread and onto another Topix forum called Albany NY harassing me there. Albany NY is not about Jonbenet. Ignore him, he`s violating Topix rules. Just because he`s complaining about what you post is not a reason to stop posting.
Sanitychik

Palo Alto, CA

#185 May 29, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Logan. If you look around this Jonbenet Ramsey forum you`ll find threads for Shawn Hornbeck, Jason Midyette, Madelynn McCaan, Sycamore Forum Reopened, and Anna Nicole Smith and others. These were all started by posters on this forum and have nothing to do basically with Jonbenet. Legal Eagle constantly butts in complaining about every post, complaining if you use the word noone, etc. He`s just harassing. It has nothing to do with Jonbenet. He also followed me onto the Oakland County Child Killer thread and onto another Topix forum called Albany NY harassing me there. Albany NY is not about Jonbenet. Ignore him, he`s violating Topix rules. Just because he`s complaining about what you post is not a reason to stop posting.
Detroit.

Dude just because someone else does something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, ya know?

It is annoying to come to a JBR site and find so many off-topic threads.

If it were I, and was asked by many to stop, I would do it but, hey, that's just me.

You have done an extraordinary amount of research on the OCCK, Smiley Face Killer, etc. and you should be taking these threads to a forum where people are interested in these murders, not to a forum where people are making fun of you.

Please?

Since: Mar 07

Wixom, MI

#186 May 29, 2008
Legal__Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no idea where the people came from, why tell lies? Some may have, but most have not, but that never has stopped you from spouting fiction before.
<quoted text>
How many 58 year old men fitting Gary's description do you suppose there are detroit, huh?
You OFTEN start typing aka running your mouth before you have even read or comprehended what was said. I SAID THAT THIS FORUM WAS INVADED BY FFJ GROUP RDI`S. We know this because THEY SAID SO!!! HOW`S THAT FICTION ??? Stop harassing me. Saying that these Smiley Face victims were drowned and that some have names which match superhero names such as LANG LOIS, OLSEN, JAMESON, REAVES and that I posted this on this forum before Smiley Face became public is A FACT and that I said that Gary killed victims in WATER before Smiley Face became public is a FACT and that another poster has posted on this forum that Gary`s sister named him as a serial killer is a FACT.-stop harassing me or I`ll complain. I`m tired of it. You CAN`T FOLLOW someone to another forum and post about them there. IT`S AGAINST TOPIX RULES.-It`s called harassment.

Since: Mar 07

Wixom, MI

#187 May 30, 2008
OCCK killer Gary MacNeil claims to also be killing people whose names are superheroes
Michigan OCCK child victim body left on road BRUCE LANE
Lois LANE being Superman`s friend-BRUCE WAYNE being BATMAN
Michigan OCCK child victim named ROBINson
Lois Lane was played by Noel NEILL
Drowning victim Patrick McNEILL
Lois Lane was also played by Teri HATCHER
Drowning victim name is Ryan KATCHER
Jimmy OLSEN is Supermans friend
Smiley Face Victim brad OLSEN
Lana LANG & LOIS Lane Supermans girlfriends
Smiley face victim LANGLOIS
Pete ROSS Superman`s childhood friend married Lana
Alex ROSS draws Supermans
Smiley victim nick ROSSini
Smiley victim jesse ROSS
College student Wade Steffey found electrocuted after party on ROSS road
Missing daniel REAVES- christopher REEVES played Superman
Missing Branson Kayne PERRY- PERRY White Clark Kent`s boss
Josh WALKER- Superman episode #47 human part of Doomsday
Drowning victim Max WALKER
Smiley face victim jessiah Jameson-JAMESON-SPIDERMANS BOSS
Gary claimed to have killed baby named BOWLING in Parker CO
Peter Parker being Spiderman- Gary kept saying Peter Parker went Bowling
Smiley Face drowning victim named BOLANos BOLAN-BOWLING
Marvel superhero named Falcon-
Smiley face drowning victim FALCON

Could it just be a coincidence that missing person Perry disappeared on same date as two
previous missing smiley victims?

04-11-99* Jeffrey GEESEy-SUN GEESE
04-11-01* Branson Kayne Perry -PERRY white SUPERMAN`s boss Daily Planet
04-11-04* Jared Dion -SUN JARED DYING

Drowning victim -JOHN Schnicke-move the n= JOHNS CHICKEN
Drowning victim in car brad HENLEY-HEN LEY EGGS
Drowning victim-GEESEy
Drowning victim-hayDUK
Drowning victim David Dantzler WOLFE
Drowning victim craig HOSKIE- Alaskan dog
Drowning victim Ryan KATcher- cat
Drowning victim greg MARTIN-martin type of bird
Drowning victim olBERDIng-BERDI
Drowning victim- FALCON- FALCON bird- sports team
Drowning victim- BLUE, MARLON-blue marlin fish-marlin FL sports team
Drowning victim Pitchfork ra ra riot drummer john PIKE -pike type of fish
Drowning victim-craig BURROws-a donkey
Drowning victim nathan HERR- RABBIT IS A HARE

Drowning victim JEFF BECK- name primo guitarist missing 4-28 or 29-03
Drowning victm KLINGER-Mash missing 4-29-03

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#188 May 30, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>Logan. Ignore him, he`s violating Topix rules.
Responding to posts on a message board is NOT against TOS. If you do not want people to post to you on other boards, don't provide a link. If you don't want people to respond to you here, don't post here!

“If life gives you melons”

Since: Nov 06

You might be dyslexic

#189 May 30, 2008
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>I said that Gary killed victims in WATER before Smiley Face became public is a FACT and that another poster has posted on this forum that Gary`s sister named him as a serial killer is a FACT.
Just because this guy's sister told the police he was a serial killer doesn't make it so - how stupid!

You have said that this "GARY" has killed in every way imaginable - so of course, you are covered no matter WHO gets killed, no matter HOW they are killed, no matter WHERE they are killed. That also doesn't make it so!
DETROIT wrote:
<quoted text>-stop harassing me or I`ll complain. I`m tired of it. You CAN`T FOLLOW someone to another forum and post about them there. IT`S AGAINST TOPIX RULES.-It`s called harassment.
See my post above. I am not harassing you. I have no intention of harassing you, but I HAVE A RIGHT to respond to ANYTHING YOU or ANYONE posts on this or any other board. If you don't want people responding - DON'T POST!

Since: Mar 07

Livonia, MI

#190 May 30, 2008
ethan wrote:
Branson Kayne Perry
Classification: Endangered Missing Adult
Date of Birth: 1981-02-24
Date Missing: 2001-04-11
From City/State: Skidmore, MO
http://crimsonshadows.net/foru m/showthread.php?p=7758
couple different names on this list
Status % BAC Classification Age Date Missing/Found Name City State
Missing N/A Student 22 1997-02-02 Franklin Gottschalk East
Lansing MI
Drowning N/A Student 20 1997-02-16 Patrick McNeil
Brooklyn NY
Unsolved Murder 0.27% Visitor 19 1997-07-11 Richard Hlavaty La
Crosse WI
Drowning 0.31% Student 28 1997-10-03 Charles Blatz La Crosse
WI
Drowning 0.23% N/A 19 1997-10-20 Anthony Skifton La Crosse
WI
Drowning unknown Student 21 1997-12-31 Ryan Getz East
Lansing MI
Drowning unknown N/A 22 1997-12-31 Larry Andrews NYC
NY
Drowning 0.22% Student 20 1998-04-04 Nathan Kapfer La Crosse
WI
Drowning 0.25% N/A 19 1998-04-25 Keith Noble Athens OH
Drowning N/A Student 19 1998-05-24 Joshua Bender New York
NY
Missing N/A N/A 21 1999-01-14 Nathan Edberg Minneapolis
MN
Drowning 0.42% Student 20 1999-05-24 Jeff Geesey La Crosse
WI
Drowning unknown Student 21 2000-01-01 Brian Welzien Gary
IN
Missing unknown Student 19 2000-11-05 Ryan Katcher
Oakwood IL
Drowning 0.24% N/A 23 2001-03-01 Patrick Runningen La Crosse
WI
Drowning unknown Visitor 18 2001-03-10 Justin Hayduk Morgantown
WV
Drowning N/A N/A 19 2001-04-16 Ken Christiansen Duluth MN
Missing N/A N/A 19 2001-06-13 Jason Jolkowski Omaha NE
Drowning 0.14% Student 18 2001-10-20 Eric Blair East Lansing
MI
Drowning N/A Visitor 32 2002-04-12 Albert Papandreou Chicago
IL
Drowning N/A N/A 23 2002-10-06 Craig Burrows Eau Claire WI
Missing N/A N/A 20 2002-11-09 Josh Guimond Collegeville MN
Drowning N/A N/A 18 2002-12-12 Chad Sharon Southbend IN
Unsolved Murder N/A N/A 17 2002-12-20 Brian Carrick Johnsburg
IL
Drowning unknown Alumni 23 2003-02-08 Glen Leadley
Chicago IL
Unsolved Murder 0.09% N/A 21 2003-02-27 Christopher Jenkins
Minneapolis MN
Drowning unknown Student 18 2003-03-01 Jeremy Houk New
Orleans LA
Drowning unknown N/A 21 2003-03-15 Nathan Herr Sheboygan
WI
Drowning N/A N/A 24 2003-04-10 Jeremy Stienkeoway Hinckley
MN
Drowning N/A N/A 40 2003-04-28 John Klinger Eau Claire WI
Drowning N/A N/A 23 2003-06-01 John Doe Madison WI
Drowning N/A N/A 22 2003-08-19 Michael Noll Eau Claire WI
Drowning N/A N/A 17 2003-11-01 Matthew Schiess Lena IL
Drowning N/A Student 18 2004-01-02 Christopher Olberding
Cincinnati OH
Drowning 0.29% Student 21 2004-04-15 Jared Dion La Crosse
WI
Drowning 0.16% Student 21 2004-04-18 Marlon Blue DeKalb
IL
Missing N/A N/A 17 2004-06-27 Craig Frear Scotia NY
Drowning N/A N/A 21 2004-07-18 Kevin Martin Des Moins IA
Drowning unknown N/A 20 2004-11-12 Adam Falcon Canton NY
Drowning N/A N/A 22 2005-01-12 Arvin Sharma Washington DC
Drowning N/A Student 22 2005-04-01 Patrick Welsh NYC NY
Drowning N/A Student 19 2005-04-16 Christopher Thiem
Vincennes IN
Drowning unknown Visitor 22 2005-06-15 Joshua Snell Eau Claire
WI
Drowning N/A Student 27 2005-07-21 Jacob Hobson Ames IA
Missing N/A N/A 24 2005-09-18 William Exner Vancouver BC
Drowning 0.17% Student 19 2005-09-28 Patrick Kycia Moorhead
MN
Drowning unknown Alumni 22 2005-10-07 Albert Campbell
Potsdam NY
Drowning N/A Student 24 2005-12-24 Matthew Kruziki East
Dubuque IL
Missing N/A N/A 18 2006-01-05 Joe Pichler Bremerton WA

Since: Mar 07

Livonia, MI

#191 May 30, 2008
Attempted Abduction 0.043-0.1643 Student 21 2006-01-08 Cullen
Fortney La Crosse WI
Drowning N/A Student 21 2006-03-01 Scot Radel St. Cloud
MN
Drowning 0.24% N/A 17 2006-04-01 Wade Lurk Ste. Genevieve
MO
Missing N/A Student 27 2006-04-01 Brian Shaffer Columbus
OH
Drowning N/A Student 22 2006-05-07 Richard Ng NYC NY
Drowning N/A N/A 20 2006-06-19 Kenji Ohnri Madison WI
Drowning N/A Student 19 2006-09-25 Paul Shuman-Moore
Grinnell IA
Drowning 0.32% Student 21 2006-10-02 Lucas Homan La Crosse
WI
Drowning N/A N/A 21 2006-11-16 Jessiah Jameson Clarksville
TN
Missing N/A Student 20 2006-11-21 Jesse Ross Chicago
IL
Drowning N/A N/A 31 2006-12-05 Matthew Soumakis Chicago
IL
Missing N/A Student 21 2006-12-17 Nicholas Rossini Saint
Paul MN
Drowning N/A Student 22 2007-01-15 Joseph Zahornacky
Bridgewater CT
Drowning N/A Student 22 2007-03-17 Joshua Kaneakua
Minneapolis MN
Drowning N/A Student 19 2007-04-03 Abel Bolanos Ames IA
Drowning 0.24% N/A 24 2007-09-30 Christopher Melancon La Crosse
WI
Missing N/A Student 18 2007-10-20 Lee Cutler Baraboo
WI
Missing N/A Alumni 24 2007-11-09 Kyle Fleischmann
Charlotte NC
Drowning N/A Student 24 2007-12-29 Joshua Szostak
Coxsackie NY
Drowning N/A Student 24 2008-01-20 Tommy Booth Woodlyn
PA
Missing N/A Student 19 2008-02-05 Nicholas Garza
Middlebury VT
Missing N/A N/A 19 2008-02-09 Benjamin Roseland Clinton
IA
Drowning N/A Student 31 2008-04-02 Huaijun Meng Carbondale
IL
Drowning N/A Student 19 2008-04-27 William Jacobsen
Ithaca NY
__________

Since: Mar 07

Livonia, MI

#192 May 30, 2008
Possible Smiley face victims-New names to consider

Patrick WELSh 4-15-05 SUPERWOMAN IS KRISTIN WELLS
also see Brian WELZien
Drowning N/A Student 19 1998-05-24 Joshua Bender New York
NY
2001-06-13 Jason JolKOWski Omaha NE-- COW
Drowning N/A Visitor 32 2002-04-12 Albert Papandreou Chicago IL
Missing N/A N/A 17 2004-06-27 Craig Frear Scotia NY
Drowning N/A Student 27 2005-07-21 Jacob Hobson Ames IA
Missing N/A N/A 24 2005-09-18 William Exner Vancouver BC
Missing N/A N/A 18 2006-01-05 Joe Pichler Bremerton WA-original name on NMEC list PICKLER
Drowning 0.24% N/A 17 2006-04-01 Wade Lurk Ste. Genevieve
MO
Drowning N/A Student 22 2006-05-07 Richard Ng NYC NY
Drowning N/A Student 22 2007-01-15 Joseph Zahornacky
Bridgewater CT
Drowning N/A Student 22 2007-03-17 Joshua Kaneakua
Minneapolis MN KANE
Missing N/A Student 18 2007-10-20 Lee Cutler Baraboo
WI
Missing N/A N/A 19 2008-02-09 Benjamin Roseland Clinton- PRESIDENT NAMES IMPORTANT
IA
Drowning N/A Student 31 2008-04-02 Huaijun Meng Carbondale
IL
Missing names from their list Tim Lee 10-28-02, robert LEIGH 8-13-06, missing tom smith 12-17-07, missing gabriel michael Smith 12-8-07, Jeffrey Liepitz Mosinee WI
2-10-08, graig Hansen Traverse City MI 10-28-05,
Also possiblities are missing Justin Gaines 11-02-07, Jared Dion 4-10 at 2:30am, leon
Tong 12-30-99, Hyun Je Chang 1-xx-02, for his DAVE list professor john DAVEerio
3-16-03, DAVID KINter 12-19-02 missing from Detroit street name Grand River Ohio
found body in Lake ERIE in child killing dump location SAYBROOK township park,

Since: Mar 07

Detroit, MI

#193 May 31, 2008
ethan wrote:
maybe it is done like this.
People with animal names killed on even months.That would mean Falcon is just a coincidence.Burrows is reported missing the 29 of an odd month ,but he could have been killed an even month .vice versa for the ones missing on an even month ,when they are reported missing at the end of the month.
superman names killed on an odd month.
Killer names on an odd month
Maybe it`s done like this. People killed in Jan-Feb are mainly killed on even days and people killed in March and April mainly on odd days regardless of superhero, animal, or what unless he can get 3 days in a row like 5, 6, 7. That seems to happen too.

Since: Mar 07

Belleville, MI

#194 Jun 1, 2008
ethan wrote:
cain played the part of superman,perry is the boss at the daily planet.
since there were so many drownings all at once starting around 1997,past missing people and drownings need to be looked at.
Drowning 03-17-07 Joshua KANEakua MN 22 Mississippi river

Since: Mar 07

Belleville, MI

#195 Jun 1, 2008
Zodiac`s enemy-SiNELLi
Drowning victim-SNELL
Zodiac spoke in letter of hunting men-Snell called on cell phone being pursued by killer
Missing victim outside bar Justin Gaines 18 from SNELLville 11-02-07

Since: Mar 07

Belleville, MI

#196 Jun 1, 2008
Brian Blackwell initial report May 12, 2007 on the Midwest drownings/smiley face investigations
Commonalities:
1. Victims were academically astute, athletic, each victim nearly had the same physical build.
2. Were last seen out drinking with friends or at a party.
3. Were under the influence of alcohol.
4. Oddly became separated from friends.
5. Disappeared between the hours of 10 p.m. and 4 a.m.
6. Went missing in September to December and February to April.
7. Drownings occurred along the I-90 and I-94 corridors, two vital links that connect Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois/Iowa border, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Northeast U.S.
8. Were given an accidental or undetermined cause of death.
9. Smiley face symbol found at at least 12 drownings. Smiley faces have been found at drownings in Wisconsin, Illinois/Iowa, Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Note: Because many of the cases are old, smiley face graffiti could have easily washed away at the other drowning sites.
The common area that the deaths took place in and the strange circumstances surrounding the victims' disappearances make the drownings suspicious.
Statistics and factors:
- Males make up 80% of drowning victims in the U.S.
- 15-to-24-year-olds have one of the highest drowning rates
- No pre-death trauma to the bodies
- Drinking greatly increases the odds of drowning
- On average, nine accidental drownings occur in the U.S. everyday
- Since the victims were in college towns in the Midwest, they easily fit the profile of young, high-achieving, physically fit, Caucasian males. And since college students are known for their binge drinking, it makes sense that they were drinking with friends between the hours of 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. during the school semester months (September through April)
Suspicions
When you look deeper into the cases, suspicions arise.
Why have so many drownings occurred in the Midwest? Although an average of nine people drown across the country everyday, statistically most drownings occur during the summer months when more people are swimming and usually involve boats, canoes, etc.
La Crosse, Wisconsin deaths don't add up
The riverfront area in La Crosse is clearly distinguishable from the rest of the town, and anyone drunk would have to manage their way down a cement staircase and over several feet of loose rocks before getting near the water.
If the victims had fallen down loose gravel into the water, their bodies would have displayed signs of trauma. All of the autopsies reported no signs of pre-death trauma, a factor that went into determining the deaths as accidental.
Bloodhounds found that La Crosse victim Jeff Geesy suffered trauma in several different locations and was driven from the bar where he was with friends to a bridge. According to the bloodhound handler, the dog found the blood of Geesy at different locations.
Another aspect of the La Crosse drownings that is suspicious is how Jared Dion's cap he was wearing was carefully placed on a post according to police. Police investigations determined that after getting excessively drunk with friends downtown, the victim disappeared and wandered to Riverside Park, where he accidently fell into the river and drowned.
If Dion had accidently fallen into the river as reported by police, how did his cap get placed on the post?

Since: Mar 07

Belleville, MI

#197 Jun 1, 2008
Chris Jenkins Case - Minneapolis
Christopher Mark Jenkins
Date of Birth: 2/17/81
Went missing Oct. 31, 2002
Found in the Mississippi River Feb. 27, 2003
Police changed Jenkins' death from accidental drowning to homicide in 2006.
- Found in the Mississippi River face up with his hands folded across his chest which is inconsistent with a chance drowning. The body was obviously posed.
- Usually drowning victims are found face down.
-He was discovered four months after he disappeared; yet the oversized clogs he was wearing as part of his Halloween costume he was wearing somehow remained on his feet.
- One of his hands clenched a clump of his own hair. This is consistent with grabbing at the head, trying to grab the hand/arm of someone who is holding your head under water.
- Two different sets of bloodhounds on two separate occasions traced Jenkins' scent from the bar where he was last seen into an underground parking garage that was nearby. The bloodhounds indicated that Jenkins got into a vehicle and headed west on Interstate 94.
Iowa/Illinois and Michigan Link
At the scene of a drowning in Michigan was the word 'Sinsiniwa,' the name of a street where victim Matt Kruziki was last seen before being found in the Mississippi River in Dubuque, Iowa/East Dubuque, Illinois. Kruziki went into the river at the foot of Sinsiniwa Avenue.
ethan

United States

#198 Jun 2, 2008
Did this McNeil by any chance work doing air conditioning work?

Since: Mar 07

Farmington, MI

#199 Jun 2, 2008
ethan wrote:
Did this McNeil by any chance work doing air conditioning work?
No. Never.You sound like you`ve been reading what some guy said about Trane repairmen. Gary did construction and welding, then worked on cruise ships. For awhile he lived in Cal & then Texas where he had an assumed identity, then he was in Washington welding. I think he still does Cruise ships occasionally, since the Jordan woman went overboard and the Jordan kid went missing in TX. Cruise ship jobs are just for specific cruises. You can work on one and then not another as you choose or go from company to company.

Since: Mar 07

Farmington, MI

#200 Jun 3, 2008
ethan wrote:
Did this McNeil by any chance work doing air conditioning work?
The reason this is mentioned is because the murders are in the Winter as were the Michigan killings. The reason being that construction workers are off during the winter and because Saad who owned the cottage where Gary kept the Michigan kids, didn`t use the cottage during the Winter time and wouldn`t discover that Gary had the kids there. Gary left the OCCK kids bodies boldly out in the open. Likewise in the Smiley Face murders the victims are left in the water to be found. In the Winter there are not as many kids playing outside easily, so he does Smiley Face in the Winter.
icedtea4me

Saint Louis, MO

#201 Jun 3, 2008
Aha! So this is what Gary looks like!

http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/smiley.jpg

Gee...you'd think with a face like that, he'd be pretty easy to track down.
koldkase

Lawrenceville, GA

#202 Jun 3, 2008
icedtea4me wrote:
Aha! So this is what Gary looks like!
http://www.schwimmerlegal.com/smiley.jpg
Gee...you'd think with a face like that, he'd be pretty easy to track down.
Oh my gosh! I've seen him! Detroit is right: HE'S EVERYWHERE!! eeek

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